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Re: [bolger] Idaho: million questions

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  • Bruce Hallman
    The Idaho is different, I am guessing, because of a dispute about ownership of the rights to sell the plans. Much of the real world is not on the Internet, so
    Message 1 of 5 , Jul 1, 2004
      The Idaho is different, I am guessing, because
      of a dispute about ownership of the rights to
      sell the plans. Much of the real world is not on
      the Internet, so I bet that several have been built.

      The safety of any boat has as much to do with
      the common sense of the person operating the
      boat as it has with the design of the boat.

      Idaho is a 'flat water' kind of boat, not an open
      ocean boat, ideal for rivers and estuaries.

      Bernie Wolfard lived in Portland Oregon at the
      time that Bolger designed the boat, with the
      waters to be use being up and down the
      Columbia River, which is perhaps a mile wide
      and two hundred miles long, very windy at times
      too.

      The reason that the chine logs and gunwales
      are laminated is to make their bending easier
      [possible]. Be aware that in the USA a
      1x2 piece of wood is actually 3/4" x 1 1/2",
      not literally 1"x2". The straight parts of the
      boat could be made with 2x2, but at the curves
      you will have to use 1x2 (I predict).

      Also notice that Bolger has a "V" drip groove
      in the outer laminated gunwale, which he achieves
      by ripping the corner off of the two 1x2 laminations.
    • chodges31711
      ... I think the width has something to do with it too. You can not put a lot in 55 inches of inside width. Two chairs leave no room to pass. 31 feet is a lot
      Message 2 of 5 , Jul 1, 2004
        > The Idaho is different, I am guessing, because
        > of a dispute about ownership of the rights to
        > sell the plans. Much of the real world is not on
        > the Internet, so I bet that several have been built.

        I think the width has something to do with it too. You can not put a
        lot in 55 inches of inside width. Two chairs leave no room to pass.
        31 feet is a lot of boat but without the space of a big boat. Idaho
        is primarily a day boat or picnic boat with primitive overnight
        possibilities. Tennessee, at 6 foot wide, is more popular and easier
        to fit with a efficient floor plan.

        >
        > The reason that the chine logs and gunwales
        > are laminated is to make their bending easier
        > [possible]. Be aware that in the USA a
        > 1x2 piece of wood is actually 3/4" x 1 1/2",
        > not literally 1"x2". The straight parts of the
        > boat could be made with 2x2, but at the curves
        > you will have to use 1x2 (I predict).

        Also two laminated pieces let you use wood with some imperfections
        and splices. A weak place (knot) will only go through half way and
        not all the way through like with a solid piece.

        I like the Idaho and plan to build one but I plan to use it as a
        daytime picnic cruiser. I like the narrow width for trailering.

        Actually I plan to build an Idaho Clam Skiff. The length and shape of
        Idaho with the newer design shoe, higher sheer and stand up cabin top
        of Clam Skiff. PCB said the shoe, the cabin and even the square
        transom of Clam Skiff should work well on Idaho if desired.

        Charles
      • Peter Lenihan
        ... floor and ... It all depends,I guess,on the area where you live and what is available.If you can get outdoor space,you may wish to try a bowshed.Click
        Message 3 of 5 , Jul 2, 2004
          --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Grupos <grupos@p...> wrote:
          > - I am planning to build it outdoor. What do you recomend for the
          floor and
          > a temporaly ceiling?

          It all depends,I guess,on the area where you live and what is
          available.If you can get outdoor space,you may wish to try a
          bowshed.Click here for some photos of what I'm talking about
          http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger3/files/WINDERMERE/
          It is the best thing I have done to help cope with outdoor building
          conditions and wish I had built it earlier on!

          > - Chine logs: is it the same to use one 2x2" than to laminate two
          1x2"?
          > Similar question for gunwales.

          If you can have ready access to full dimensioned lumber,then you do
          not really need to laminate.The curves are gentle enough to not need
          laminating.The chine logs on WINDERMERE are mahogany, 1 and 3
          quarter inch square, and they went in(on?) without much effort.Same
          will apply to sheer clamps or gunwales.

          Good luck with your project,if you do go ahead and build one....and
          don't forget to take photos,lots of them :-)


          Sincerely,

          Peter Lenihan
        • donschultz8275
          ... a ... easier to fit with a efficient floor plan. ... I agree w your analysis. I was thinking of Idaho, but concluded a 30 + boat with Idaho s set of
          Message 4 of 5 , Jul 4, 2004
            > I think the width has something to do with it too. You can not put
            a
            > lot in 55 inches of inside width. Two chairs leave no room to pass.
            > 31 feet is a lot of boat but without the space of a big boat. Idaho
            > is primarily a day boat or picnic boat with primitive overnight
            > possibilities. Tennessee, at 6 foot wide, is more popular and
            easier to fit with a efficient floor plan.
            >

            I agree w' your analysis. I was thinking of Idaho, but concluded a
            30'+ boat with Idaho's set of attributes just didn't suit my needs.
            If I'm going to trailer 30'+ around anyway, the boat should have more
            capability as a camper, and load carrier. Of course each should make
            their own analysis/decision.

            IMO Idaho would be a fun bargain as a gentleman's speedboat as Bolger
            suggested for Topaz Spyder. She could be decked over, clad w'
            mohoghany like thin ply, and finished bright. Essentially a more
            substantial Sneakeasy.

            Your thought to add a Clam Skiff "shoe" makes much sense to me. When
            I posted a pic of Idaho with a stand up cabin, some questioned the
            wisdom of to much wind catching cabin wall. I've had in mind to
            build Clam Skiff but stretch it one sheet of plywood to 22'+. Your
            thought is better.

            One real attraction of the Idaho is the simplicity/size factor.
            Idaho is a very simple boat relative to her size. Keeping the hp
            down is part of the simplicity. She doesn't need a lot of complex
            bottom stiffening joiner work w' 25 hp and less.
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