Re: Common Sense Boats which site to buy from?
- --- In email@example.com, "doug6949" <prototype@c...> wrote:
> I think you are correct. PCB is not a businessI would tend to agree and I am sure Mr. Bolger would. It seems to
> minded person - just a great designer.
that his collaboration with Dynamite Payson was a wonderful event for
folks who love small boats but don't have much money. PCB basically
adapted ideas he had - to be produced in plywood - and Dynamite
tested them out and Phil allowed him to sell the plans and likely
charged a nominal royalty.
The late Elrow Larowe commisioned a few designs and likely got
permsission to advertise and market plans as well. He did it purely
out of love for the designs with no intention of making money. He was
already retired and on a pension. He probably paid a small royalty as
When Bernie took over Elrowe's business he obviously had PCB's
permission to market the plans and Phil even added a few more, some
specifically to answer wish lists for Bernie. Fish Cat and Idaho come
to mind but this was at a particularly creative period and Mr. Bolger
was cranking out exciting designs much quicker than anyone could
build prototypes. The Birdwatcher and Microtrawler variations and the
State's designs, just to mention a few.
Now here is where I think things went awry. Bernie Wolfard really
thought he could make a good living out of his passion for building
and trying out Mr. Bolger's designs and selling the plans through
catalogues and newsletters. Being a secondary suppplier for materials
and even producing kits. Wrong! It didn't work despite his best
efforts and here is perhaps why:
1. You can't get rich selling to poor people.
2. Most of his customers were dreamers and not really buyers.
3. He was spending most of his time, money and efforts promoting
plans, offering help and advice to free loaders and getting more and
more in the hole financewise.
So he lowered his prices and got even more products - but there
really wasn't a market to support the business. He could not
encourage prototype builders to follow through and everyone was
waiting for the other shoe to fall. Eventually he got fed up, and was
behind on his royalty payments because he was broke.
He ended up basically giving away the business to another gentleman
who probably feels he can make a living at it to. However - although
Bernie had permission to market many of the newer plans from PCB -
that did not give him the right to sell that persmission to someone
else. And that is where it all fell apart.
Meanwhile Dynamite continued to sell plans as well as books and some
other items. He is a very astute business man, and I am sure knows
that you won't make a living selling small boat plans and therefore
runs it as a hobby with no intention of making a living at it. His
plans and services are a way underpriced. (You can purchase a boat
plan from him for less than what a carton of cigarettes costs in
Canada in most places.) By comparison, what PCB&F charge seems high,
yet their prices are low compared to most places - even though many
people complain about them being unreasonable.
So what we end up with is proof again of an old adage: If you sell
yourself too short, others will as well.
The main problem is that this is a very limited market and if we
don't adequately support it - the suppplies will disappear. And I
include MAIB, in this scenario as well.
That's how I see it, based on my own experience as a small business
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
> --- In email@example.com, "doug6949" <prototype@c...> wrote:some
> ....When Bernie took over Elrowe's business he obviously had PCB's
> permission to market the plans and Phil even added a few more,
> specifically to answer wish lists for Bernie. Fish Cat and Idahocome
> to mind .....Actually "Fishcat" was a LaRowe design as well as what we call
the "CSD Pirogue". See
- Hi All -
I think Peter has the right idea. PB and his wife run what must be pretty much a 2 man operation and the output is nothing short of prodigious. For now any one interested in bolger designs has plenty of info available to them. Get his books - new and used, go online to Yahoo's Bolger site & join-up, talk freely about your needs there and lastly FAX PB&F directly - the answeres to your questions come back very quickly. That's more than enough for now.
Aloha - Jack Spoering - Ft Lauderdale
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- --- Nels wrote:
> 2. Most of his customers were dreamers.................^^^^^^
> and not really buyers.
Better put, "builders".
There just might be a real market selling
to the dreamers. Lower the prices on
plans, selling them as 'study plans only'
for $20 each. Make it up on volume.
I would be a real buyer for a deal like