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  • Mark Lyons
    I found this group about two weeks ago. Cool! I m looking to build a small sailboat for me and my two boys, or me and my wife. I grew up with Sailfish and
    Message 1 of 7 , Jul 28, 2003
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      I found this group about two weeks ago. Cool!
      I'm looking to build a small sailboat for me and my two boys, or me and my wife. I grew up with Sailfish and Sunfish and would like to have the kids learn on a small forgiving, but light air capable boat. Haven't built a boat before but am fairly patient, have some good tools, and lots of "Kibitzers". I'm looking at a picture of the Gypsy. Questions:
      1. Ease of construction? Should I start with something else? (Nymph?)
      2. Load carrying. Can it handle all four of us in a pinch?
      3. Ease of rigging, sialing, depowering?
      4. Floatation, stability, ease of capsizing and righting? It appears the daggerboard is internal. and the bow is closed.

      Thanks! Boat on the Finger Lakes if you ever get a chance.
      Mark

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    • David Ryan
      Bear in mind I ve never build a Gypsy, but here it goes ... The Gypsy and the Nymph are more or less the same basic five-panel tack and tape boat. Neither is
      Message 2 of 7 , Jul 28, 2003
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        Bear in mind I've never build a Gypsy, but here it goes

        > Questions:
        >1. Ease of construction? Should I start with something else? (Nymph?)

        The Gypsy and the Nymph are more or less the same basic five-panel
        tack and tape boat. Neither is hard. If you want something even
        easier in the capacity size range, have a look at the Surf, Zephyr,
        or Junebug

        >2. Load carrying. Can it handle all four of us in a pinch?

        In a pinch? Sure why not? Our first trip out in our Teal was me at
        #190, my pregnant wife at #160, and our Newfoundland dog at #110. Not
        much room, but we moved along more or less. But the Gypsy is really a
        1 or 2 person boat. A Zephyr would carry the lot of you no problem

        >3. Ease of rigging, sialing, depowering?

        Nothing could be simpler than the Instant Boat 59 sq. ft. sprit sail.
        Works well too.

        >4. Floatation, stability, ease of capsizing and righting? It
        >appears the daggerboard is internal. and the bow is closed.

        None of the Instant Boats is going to have the self-rescue ease of a
        Sunfish. I'm not even sure a Sunfish takes water into the cockpit
        when on beam ends. But any Instant Boat can be fitted with sufficient
        flotation to make self-rescue easy and reliable.

        Welcome to the group. Welcome to the madness.

        YIBB,

        David
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      • ben_azo
        Please have a look at the photos section in the Group Boatdesign and see BBB and GM1 & GM2.an idea?maybe Stephan ... me and my wife. I grew up with Sailfish
        Message 3 of 7 , Jul 28, 2003
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          Please have a look at the photos section in the Group
          Boatdesign and see BBB and GM1 & GM2.an idea?maybe
          Stephan
          --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Lyons" <mlyons2@r...>
          wrote:
          > I found this group about two weeks ago. Cool!
          > I'm looking to build a small sailboat for me and my two boys, or
          me and my wife. I grew up with Sailfish and Sunfish and would
          like to have the kids learn on a small forgiving, but light air
          capable boat. Haven't built a boat before but am fairly patient,
          have some good tools, and lots of "Kibitzers". I'm looking at a
          picture of the Gypsy. Questions:
          > 1. Ease of construction? Should I start with something else?
          (Nymph?)
          > 2. Load carrying. Can it handle all four of us in a pinch?
          > 3. Ease of rigging, sialing, depowering?
          > 4. Floatation, stability, ease of capsizing and righting? It
          appears the daggerboard is internal. and the bow is closed.
          >
          > Thanks! Boat on the Finger Lakes if you ever get a chance.
          > Mark
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        • pvanderwaart
          ... Unfortunately, Yahoo! seems to be having trouble display the photos today. Peter
          Message 4 of 7 , Jul 28, 2003
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            > Please have a look at the photos section in the Group
            > Boatdesign and see BBB and GM1 & GM2.an idea?

            Unfortunately, Yahoo! seems to be having trouble display the photos
            today.

            Peter
          • XROMAD
            I built mine last year. Very fun boat! ... (Nymph?) Very easy, especially if you are in any way handy with tools. ... Will it float? Yes. Will it be fun and
            Message 5 of 7 , Jul 28, 2003
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              I built mine last year. Very fun boat!

              > 1. Ease of construction? Should I start with something else?
              (Nymph?)

              Very easy, especially if you are in any way handy with tools.

              > 2. Load carrying. Can it handle all four of us in a pinch?

              Will it float? Yes. Will it be fun and manageable? No.

              1 Adult - Roomy
              1 Adult 1 kid - Comfortable
              1 Adult 2 kids - Packed
              2 Adults - Comfortable
              3 Adults - No Way!
              2 Adults 2 kids - No Way!

              On second thought, if you run a small motor you could probably handle
              all four, not sailing or rowing though.

              > 3. Ease of rigging, sialing, depowering?

              Very easy!

              > 4. Floatation, stability, ease of capsizing and righting? It
              appears the daggerboard is internal. and the bow is closed.

              Not in it's stock form. Easy to add dry-storage/flotation and well
              worth the trouble.

              I highly recommend the Gypsy, but be sure you know what it's
              strengths and weaknesses are before you make the investment in time
              and materials. The best description of its abilities is right in
              Payson's book. Well worth the money.

              Brent

              P.S. Buy the full sized plans and learn to use an architect's rule.
              They realy help!
            • ravenouspi
              How about a Bolger June Bug? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/June%20Bug/ Or a Michalak Mayfly? Or Dave Carnell s $200 sailboat? From what I hear, a
              Message 6 of 7 , Jul 28, 2003
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                How about a Bolger June Bug?
                http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/June%20Bug/

                Or a Michalak Mayfly?
                Or Dave Carnell's $200 sailboat?

                From what I hear, a June Bug is hard to beat for capacity. Be
                advised, I know next to nothing about sailing, sailing rigs and
                complexity and such.

                Rav
              • prthober
                ... (Nymph?) Gypsy was my first boat and was only a little more difficult than Nymph ... In a pinch, sure, but it would be rather crowded. ... Very easy to rig
                Message 7 of 7 , Aug 1, 2003
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                  > 1. Ease of construction? Should I start with something else?
                  (Nymph?)

                  Gypsy was my first boat and was only a little more difficult than
                  Nymph

                  > 2. Load carrying. Can it handle all four of us in a pinch?

                  In a pinch, sure, but it would be rather crowded.

                  > 3. Ease of rigging, sialing, depowering?

                  Very easy to rig and sail. Depower? - dowse the sail.

                  > 4. Floatation, stability, ease of capsizing and righting? It
                  appears the daggerboard is internal. and the bow is closed.

                  I built mine with large watertight compartments fore and aft and it
                  floats about half out of the water when swamped.

                  It's not very stable and is quite easy to capsize, but is also very
                  easy to right and reenter.

                  Hope this helps. Enjoy.

                  Paul
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