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  • jrozman1
    Hello from Alaska, I ll be in Fl. later this month. Does anyone know of a MJ I could take a peek at.
    Message 1 of 24 , Jun 15, 2003
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      Hello from Alaska,
      I'll be in Fl. later this month. Does anyone know of a MJ I could
      take a peek at.
    • Harry James
      You don t have to go to FL for a Martha Jane http://www.alaska.net/~mzeiger/Boat_Building.html HJ
      Message 2 of 24 , Jun 16, 2003
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        You don't have to go to FL for a Martha Jane

        http://www.alaska.net/~mzeiger/Boat_Building.html

        HJ

        jrozman1 wrote:

        >Hello from Alaska,
        >I'll be in Fl. later this month. Does anyone know of a MJ I could
        >take a peek at.
        >
        >
        >
      • Leoandsandy@Juno.com
        Will you be stopping in Albany, NY?
        Message 3 of 24 , Jun 16, 2003
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          Will you be stopping in Albany, NY?
        • sirdarnell
          Someone was looking for pictures recently? http://www.common-sense-boats.com/marthaj.html
          Message 4 of 24 , Aug 21, 2010
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            Someone was looking for pictures recently?

            http://www.common-sense-boats.com/marthaj.html
          • Dave Gentry
            ... Let s please not post anything alluding to that company, which was, in my understanding, systematically robbing Mr. Bolger of his due royalties, and is
            Message 5 of 24 , Aug 22, 2010
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              --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "sirdarnell" <sirdarnell@...> wrote:
              >
              > Someone was looking for pictures recently?
              > ************

              Let's please not post anything alluding to that company, which was, in my understanding, systematically robbing Mr. Bolger of his due royalties, and is currently doing the same for Ms. Altenburger.
              Thanks.
            • sirdarnell
              Sorry about that. Just noticed they has a lot of pictures.
              Message 6 of 24 , Aug 23, 2010
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                Sorry about that. Just noticed they has a lot of pictures.

                --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Gentry" <alias1719@...> wrote:
                >
                >
                >
                > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "sirdarnell" <sirdarnell@> wrote:
                > >
                > > Someone was looking for pictures recently?
                > > ************
                >
                > Let's please not post anything alluding to that company, which was, in my understanding, systematically robbing Mr. Bolger of his due royalties, and is currently doing the same for Ms. Altenburger.
                > Thanks.
                >
              • apraphett777
                The last set of prints regarding a Bolger design from them was a copy of a copy of a copy.......
                Message 7 of 24 , Aug 23, 2010
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                  The last set of prints regarding a Bolger design from them was a copy of a copy of a copy.......

                  --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Gentry" <alias1719@...> wrote:
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "sirdarnell" <sirdarnell@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Someone was looking for pictures recently?
                  > > ************
                  >
                  > Let's please not post anything alluding to that company, which was, in my understanding, systematically robbing Mr. Bolger of his due royalties, and is currently doing the same for Ms. Altenburger.
                  > Thanks.
                  >
                • prairiedog2332
                  Woodenboat Magazine s 2011 Small Boats issue has a really nice write-up on Martha Jane. Like FMS MJ has received some significant modifications. The one I was
                  Message 8 of 24 , Dec 14, 2010
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                    Woodenboat Magazine's 2011 Small Boats issue has a really nice write-up
                    on Martha Jane.

                    Like FMS MJ has received some significant modifications. The one I was
                    not aware of was the change to dual transom hung, shallow draft
                    rudders, of which the author shares that Mr. Bolger "admitted that the
                    new dual rudders offered superior virtues."

                    This would make a nice motorsailer for a couple expecially with the
                    optional higher house like the one Mick Stockstill changed his over to
                    and which it is quoted, "uses this boat mostly for motoring." (I believe
                    he lives on or near a river?)

                    This design, along with the glass house version of Chebacco are ideal
                    trailerable river and canal cruisers for a couple in my view and much
                    ignored for some reason.

                    Greetings of the season all!

                    Nels
                  • Harry James
                    A Martha Jane may be good under power but any body that watched George Broadlick at the memorial knows that they sail fast also. Very deceptive because there
                    Message 9 of 24 , Dec 14, 2010
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                      A Martha Jane may be good under power but any body that watched George
                      Broadlick at the memorial knows that they sail fast also. Very deceptive
                      because there is no wake.

                      HJ

                      On 12/14/2010 12:04 PM, prairiedog2332 wrote:
                      > Woodenboat Magazine's 2011 Small Boats issue has a really nice write-up
                      > on Martha Jane.
                      >
                      > Like FMS MJ has received some significant modifications. The one I was
                      > not aware of was the change to dual transom hung, shallow draft
                      > rudders, of which the author shares that Mr. Bolger "admitted that the
                      > new dual rudders offered superior virtues."
                      >
                      > This would make a nice motorsailer for a couple expecially with the
                      > optional higher house like the one Mick Stockstill changed his over to
                      > and which it is quoted, "uses this boat mostly for motoring." (I believe
                      > he lives on or near a river?)
                      >
                      > This design, along with the glass house version of Chebacco are ideal
                      > trailerable river and canal cruisers for a couple in my view and much
                      > ignored for some reason.
                      >
                      > Greetings of the season all!
                      >
                      > Nels
                      >
                      >
                      >
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                    • hobyarr
                      Hello Nels - What are the mods you refer to for FSM. - Thanks - Darrell
                      Message 10 of 24 , Dec 15, 2010
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                        Hello Nels - What are the mods you refer to for FSM. - Thanks - Darrell

                        --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" <arvent@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Woodenboat Magazine's 2011 Small Boats issue has a really nice write-up
                        > on Martha Jane.
                        >
                        > Like FMS MJ has received some significant modifications. The one I was
                        > not aware of was the change to dual transom hung, shallow draft
                        > rudders, of which the author shares that Mr. Bolger "admitted that the
                        > new dual rudders offered superior virtues."
                        >
                        > This would make a nice motorsailer for a couple expecially with the
                        > optional higher house like the one Mick Stockstill changed his over to
                        > and which it is quoted, "uses this boat mostly for motoring." (I believe
                        > he lives on or near a river?)
                        >
                        > This design, along with the glass house version of Chebacco are ideal
                        > trailerable river and canal cruisers for a couple in my view and much
                        > ignored for some reason.
                        >
                        > Greetings of the season all!
                        >
                        > Nels
                        >
                      • hobyarr
                        Sorry -Forget the query. Searched mods FSM nothing came up, then read your previous post and there it is - Darrell
                        Message 11 of 24 , Dec 15, 2010
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                          Sorry -Forget the query. Searched mods FSM nothing came up, then read your previous post and there it is - Darrell

                          --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "hobyarr" <knic0014@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > Hello Nels - What are the mods you refer to for FSM. - Thanks - Darrell
                          >
                          > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" <arvent@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > Woodenboat Magazine's 2011 Small Boats issue has a really nice write-up
                          > > on Martha Jane.
                          > >
                          > > Like FMS MJ has received some significant modifications. The one I was
                          > > not aware of was the change to dual transom hung, shallow draft
                          > > rudders, of which the author shares that Mr. Bolger "admitted that the
                          > > new dual rudders offered superior virtues."
                          > >
                          > > This would make a nice motorsailer for a couple expecially with the
                          > > optional higher house like the one Mick Stockstill changed his over to
                          > > and which it is quoted, "uses this boat mostly for motoring." (I believe
                          > > he lives on or near a river?)
                          > >
                          > > This design, along with the glass house version of Chebacco are ideal
                          > > trailerable river and canal cruisers for a couple in my view and much
                          > > ignored for some reason.
                          > >
                          > > Greetings of the season all!
                          > >
                          > > Nels
                          > >
                          >
                        • daschultz2000
                          I remember the video from the memorial. The MJ was gonna overhaul that real sailboat in short order, with a fraction of the sail square footage deployed, AND
                          Message 12 of 24 , Dec 15, 2010
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                            I remember the video from the memorial. The MJ was gonna overhaul that "real sailboat" in short order, with a fraction of the sail square footage deployed, AND a fraction of crew hands on board. Very very cool.

                            I think MJ gets ignored simply because it is homely, especially the original version.

                            The newer version with the Navigator style cabin added is much better looking and no doubt much more comfortable. I would like to do the Great Circle trip in a few years, and do it in a homemade boat that moves at a leisurely pace. An MJ seems to the the boat best suited to that mission. I anticipate having to tow a fuel tank in the form of a June Bug to get the motor range I'd like to have. I would have a 15-18hp 4 stroke on the stern. Good to have the HP if needed.

                            IMO the double stern mounted rudders are easier to build and maintain than the original design.

                            I have original version plans but would upgrade with the latest from PB&F to build. I would make a steel shoe to clad most of the bottom for protection AND the extra ballast the design needs. I can't see hauling weight just for the sake of weight if I can get more advantage from it.

                            I've yet to accept the sponsons Bolger added with the cabin mod, both part of an effort to make the design self-recovering from a knockdown. They look tacked on. But I'd guess it would be a bad idea to skip them. I suppose I could make something out of big PVC pipe and bolt them on. Somehow that seems more acceptable to me. Hmmmm, maybe they could double as fuel tanks?

                            You are very right about the 25' Chebacco w' a cabin as a motorsailer/canal cruiser. The third choice, if PB&F sill has the plans, is the original FMS of which there is a picture in "Boats with an Open Mind". That hull is pretty much a 26' Diablo. Should be an easy build.

                            Don

                            --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "hobyarr" <knic0014@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > This design, along with the glass house version of Chebacco are ideal
                            > trailerable river and canal cruisers for a couple in my view and much
                            > ignored for some reason.
                            >
                          • prairiedog2332
                            When I look at the specs for Martha Jane it seems to me it might be quite easy to overload it in which case its performance would deteriorate significantly.
                            Message 13 of 24 , Dec 16, 2010
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                              When I look at the specs for Martha Jane it seems to me it might be quite easy to overload it in which case its performance would deteriorate significantly. (You have to keep that bow and stern above the water a bit unless heeled.)

                              EMPTY WEIGHT : 1400 lb.
                              BALLAST: 500 lb. (water)
                              DISPLACEMENT.: 2350 lb.

                              POWER: 5 to 7 1/2 hp

                              http://mkstocks.tripod.com/boats/martha_jane/

                              I would certainly not want to carry fuel in the sponsons but I think their is space for a couple extra fuel containers in the bow well. But there is not a lot of extra weight capacity for fuel and a heavy motor, plus living necessities on a long trip.

                              Maybe I am reading the figures incorrectly?

                              Nels


                              --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "daschultz2000" <daschultz8275@...> wrote:
                              >
                              >
                              > I remember the video from the memorial. The MJ was gonna overhaul that "real sailboat" in short order, with a fraction of the sail square footage deployed, AND a fraction of crew hands on board. Very very cool.
                              >
                              > I think MJ gets ignored simply because it is homely, especially the original version.
                              >
                              > The newer version with the Navigator style cabin added is much better looking and no doubt much more comfortable. I would like to do the Great Circle trip in a few years, and do it in a homemade boat that moves at a leisurely pace. An MJ seems to the the boat best suited to that mission. I anticipate having to tow a fuel tank in the form of a June Bug to get the motor range I'd like to have. I would have a 15-18hp 4 stroke on the stern. Good to have the HP if needed.
                              >
                              > IMO the double stern mounted rudders are easier to build and maintain than the original design.
                              >
                              > I have original version plans but would upgrade with the latest from PB&F to build. I would make a steel shoe to clad most of the bottom for protection AND the extra ballast the design needs. I can't see hauling weight just for the sake of weight if I can get more advantage from it.
                              >
                              > I've yet to accept the sponsons Bolger added with the cabin mod, both part of an effort to make the design self-recovering from a knockdown. They look tacked on. But I'd guess it would be a bad idea to skip them. I suppose I could make something out of big PVC pipe and bolt them on. Somehow that seems more acceptable to me. Hmmmm, maybe they could double as fuel tanks?
                              >
                              > You are very right about the 25' Chebacco w' a cabin as a motorsailer/canal cruiser. The third choice, if PB&F sill has the plans, is the original FMS of which there is a picture in "Boats with an Open Mind". That hull is pretty much a 26' Diablo. Should be an easy build.
                              >
                              > Don
                              >
                              > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "hobyarr" knic0014@ wrote:
                              > >
                              > > This design, along with the glass house version of Chebacco are ideal
                              > > trailerable river and canal cruisers for a couple in my view and much
                              > > ignored for some reason.
                              > >
                              >
                            • daschultz2000
                              Nels, Yeah you are certainly right about problems in using the sponsons for anything but flotation. Bad idea on my part. A June Bug as a tanker is probably
                              Message 14 of 24 , Dec 16, 2010
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                                Nels,
                                Yeah you are certainly right about problems in using the sponsons for anything but flotation. Bad idea on my part. A June Bug as a tanker is probably not a bad idea though, and I'm not sure a 15-18hp is a huge amount heavier than a 9.9 so I'm still comfortable with that.

                                Building according to plan, Keeping the glass cladding to a minimum, and especially not exceeding the scantlings specified should result in a light boat which has more useful load. I would include an electric pump to empty for ballast for better motoring.

                                MJ is a big box and could be readily overloaded I'm sure, but that's not, IMO a design flaw, just something an owner needs to watch.

                                Don

                                --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" <arvent@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > When I look at the specs for Martha Jane it seems to me it might be
                                > quite easy to overload it in which case its performance would
                                > deteriorate significantly....
                              • daschultz2000
                                Oh, and last. The Great Circle is coastal, river, and canal travel. One need never lose sight of land, and not need more than a few days provision. Some safety
                                Message 15 of 24 , Dec 16, 2010
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                                  Oh, and last. The Great Circle is coastal, river, and canal travel. One need never lose sight of land, and not need more than a few days provision. Some safety margin would be wise during the ocean coastal portion but you can reprovision every couple of days on the rivers and canal portion.

                                  Don
                                • prairiedog2332
                                  I think this is the post that sparked the idea of towing a boat behind a MJ to obtain extra stowage. I really don t see how this would solve the issue of
                                  Message 16 of 24 , Dec 20, 2010
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                                    I think this is the post that sparked the idea of towing a boat behind a
                                    MJ to obtain extra stowage.

                                    I really don't see how this would solve the issue of deteriorating
                                    performance if the hull is overloaded. In fact I would think it might be
                                    worse than just overloading it. In any area with strong tidal or river
                                    currents or in a canal with locks, I don't think I would want to be
                                    towing a loaded boat behind a MJ. Nor when I wanted to tack since a MJ
                                    carries very little momentum to carry itself through stays.

                                    I would either stay within load limits or look for a hull with a higher
                                    displacement. At the same time that sailing rig and shallow draft would
                                    be a real advantage on that trip. One fellow did it in a Michalak AF4B
                                    and will be publishing a write-up in Duckworks in January. He traveled
                                    solo using a 9 hp Tohatsu 4-stroke, but tells us there is not enough
                                    room in that boat for 2 people.

                                    The question I have is how much weight will MJ hold and stay on her
                                    lines? Especially if you add a steel bottom plate?? Two people, motor
                                    and fuel maybe 500 lbs. Then there is all the other sailing stuff like
                                    ground tackle etc. How much weight allowance for food, clothing and
                                    living stuff is available?

                                    Nels


                                    --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" <arvent@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > When I look at the specs for Martha Jane it seems to me it might be
                                    > quite easy to overload it in which case its performance would
                                    > deteriorate significantly. (You have to keep that bow and stern above
                                    > the water a bit unless heeled.)
                                    >
                                    > EMPTY WEIGHT : 1400 lb.
                                    > BALLAST: 500 lb. (water)
                                    > DISPLACEMENT.: 2350 lb.
                                    > POWER: 5 to 7 1/2 hp
                                    >
                                    > http://mkstocks.tripod.com/boats/martha_jane/
                                    >
                                    > I would certainly not want to carry fuel in the sponsons but I think
                                    > their is space for a couple extra fuel containers in the bow well. But
                                    > there is not a lot of extra weight capacity for fuel and a heavy
                                    motor,
                                    > plus living necessities on a long trip.
                                    >
                                    > Maybe I am reading the figures incorrectly?
                                    >
                                    > Nels
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "daschultz2000" daschultz8275@
                                    > wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > I remember the video from the memorial. The MJ was gonna overhaul
                                    that
                                    > "real sailboat" in short order, with a fraction of the sail square
                                    > footage deployed, AND a fraction of crew hands on board. Very very
                                    cool.
                                    > >
                                    > > I think MJ gets ignored simply because it is homely, especially the
                                    > original version.
                                    > >
                                    > > The newer version with the Navigator style cabin added is much
                                    better
                                    > looking and no doubt much more comfortable. I would like to do the
                                    > Great Circle trip in a few years, and do it in a homemade boat that
                                    > moves at a leisurely pace. An MJ seems to the the boat best suited to
                                    > that mission. I anticipate having to tow a fuel tank in the form of a
                                    > June Bug to get the motor range I'd like to have. I would have a
                                    15-18hp
                                    > 4 stroke on the stern. Good to have the HP if needed.
                                    > >
                                    > > IMO the double stern mounted rudders are easier to build and
                                    maintain
                                    > than the original design.
                                    > >
                                    > > I have original version plans but would upgrade with the latest from
                                    > PB&F to build. I would make a steel shoe to clad most of the bottom
                                    for
                                    > protection AND the extra ballast the design needs. I can't see hauling
                                    > weight just for the sake of weight if I can get more advantage from
                                    it.
                                    > >
                                    > > I've yet to accept the sponsons Bolger added with the cabin mod,
                                    both
                                    > part of an effort to make the design self-recovering from a knockdown.
                                    > They look tacked on. But I'd guess it would be a bad idea to skip
                                    them.
                                    > I suppose I could make something out of big PVC pipe and bolt them on.
                                    > Somehow that seems more acceptable to me. Hmmmm, maybe they could
                                    double
                                    > as fuel tanks?
                                    > >
                                    > > You are very right about the 25' Chebacco w' a cabin as a
                                    > motorsailer/canal cruiser. The third choice, if PB&F sill has the
                                    > plans, is the original FMS of which there is a picture in "Boats with
                                    an
                                    > Open Mind". That hull is pretty much a 26' Diablo. Should be an easy
                                    > build.
                                    > >
                                    > > Don
                                    > >
                                    > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "hobyarr" knic0014@ wrote:
                                    > > >
                                    > > > This design, along with the glass house version of Chebacco are
                                    > ideal
                                    > > > trailerable river and canal cruisers for a couple in my view and
                                    > much
                                    > > > ignored for some reason.
                                    > > >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                  • Bruce Hallman
                                    ... Be sure to look up the article in MAIB V20 N09 Martha Jane upgrade , where PB&F discuss the various load configurations, including the stability curves
                                    Message 17 of 24 , Dec 20, 2010
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                                      On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 2:13 PM, prairiedog2332 <arvent@...> wrote:

                                      > The question I have is how much weight will MJ hold and stay on her
                                      > lines? Especially if you add a steel bottom plate??

                                      Be sure to look up the article in MAIB V20 N09 "Martha Jane upgrade",
                                      where PB&F discuss the various load configurations, including the
                                      stability curves with and without sponsons and steel plate ballast.
                                    • daschultz2000
                                      Thank you for that input Bruce. To Nels point about sailing characteristics of MJ, it makes sense to me that using it as a motor sailer, I would be less
                                      Message 18 of 24 , Dec 21, 2010
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                                        Thank you for that input Bruce. To Nels point about sailing characteristics of MJ, it makes sense to me that using it as a motor sailer, I would be less sensitive to such problems.

                                        I am aware of the passage by the AF-4B, and don't intend to be that lonely. ;-)

                                        Don

                                        --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <hallman@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > Be sure to look up the article in MAIB V20 N09 "Martha Jane upgrade",
                                        > where PB&F discuss the various load configurations, including the
                                        > stability curves with and without sponsons and steel plate ballast.
                                        >
                                      • proaconstrictor
                                        I always thought that the MJ was pretty handsome from some angles. The newer version is a hodgepodge, and very clumped together. With a few more variations,
                                        Message 19 of 24 , Dec 21, 2010
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                                          I always thought that the MJ was pretty handsome from some angles. The newer version is a hodgepodge, and very clumped together. With a few more variations, it would make a nice trimaran, but so far it falls short. The original intent was to make it what the original plan delivered. If I built one, and I have certainly been tempted, I would learn to live within it's capabilities. I can go camping pretty much indefinitely on a bike with 40-60 pounds of gear. Admittedly a boat also adds it's own needs. A small boat is a small boat, they can be wonderful. But load is everything.

                                          --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <hallman@...> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 2:13 PM, prairiedog2332 <arvent@...> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > > The question I have is how much weight will MJ hold and stay on her
                                          > > lines? Especially if you add a steel bottom plate??
                                          >
                                          > Be sure to look up the article in MAIB V20 N09 "Martha Jane upgrade",
                                          > where PB&F discuss the various load configurations, including the
                                          > stability curves with and without sponsons and steel plate ballast.
                                          >
                                        • martha2001au
                                          I also prefer the look of the original Martha Jane, maybe because I studied the plans and photographs for so long having come close to building her. A
                                          Message 20 of 24 , Dec 22, 2010
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                                            I also prefer the look of the original Martha Jane, maybe because I studied the plans and photographs for so long having come close to building her. A simpler and cheaper build too, capable enough for most conditions. I was lucky enough to sail on Graham Cheers Martha Jane in a race in light conditions, she overtook most boats in the fleet and pointed into the wind supprisingly well. And what a big boat feel. Does anyone know what became of the "Shirley Valenine?" I'd heard she was for sale a couple of years ago.

                                            Col

                                            --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "proaconstrictor" <proaconstrictor@...> wrote:
                                            >
                                            > I always thought that the MJ was pretty handsome from some angles. The newer version is a hodgepodge, and very clumped together. With a few more variations, it would make a nice trimaran, but so far it falls short. The original intent was to make it what the original plan delivered. If I built one, and I have certainly been tempted, I would learn to live within it's capabilities. I can go camping pretty much indefinitely on a bike with 40-60 pounds of gear. Admittedly a boat also adds it's own needs. A small boat is a small boat, they can be wonderful. But load is everything.
                                            >
                                            > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <hallman@> wrote:
                                            > >
                                            > > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 2:13 PM, prairiedog2332 <arvent@> wrote:
                                            > >
                                            > > > The question I have is how much weight will MJ hold and stay on her
                                            > > > lines? Especially if you add a steel bottom plate??
                                            > >
                                            > > Be sure to look up the article in MAIB V20 N09 "Martha Jane upgrade",
                                            > > where PB&F discuss the various load configurations, including the
                                            > > stability curves with and without sponsons and steel plate ballast.
                                            > >
                                            >
                                          • Robert Chamberland
                                            I have a set of plans for MJ. This is the set without any updates. No boat has been constructed from these plans. Free to the first call. Send Email to me. Bob
                                            Message 21 of 24 , Dec 27, 2010
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                                              I have a set of plans for MJ. This is the set without any updates. No boat has been constructed from these plans. Free to the first call. Send Email to me.
                                              Bob Chamberland
                                            • Robert Chamberland
                                              MJ plans have been spoken for. Anyone for Badger ?
                                              Message 22 of 24 , Dec 27, 2010
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                                                MJ plans have been spoken for. Anyone for "Badger"?



                                                --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Chamberland" <chamberlands@...> wrote:
                                                >
                                                > I have a set of plans for MJ. This is the set without any updates. No boat has been constructed from these plans. Free to the first call. Send Email to me.
                                                > Bob Chamberland
                                                >
                                              • Mike Allison
                                                ... For how much? Michael Allison
                                                Message 23 of 24 , Dec 27, 2010
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                                                  >MJ plans have been spoken for. Anyone for "Badger"?
                                                  For how much?
                                                   
                                                  Michael Allison
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                                                  Bob, Am I too late? On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Robert Chamberland
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                                                    Bob,
                                                    Am I too late?


                                                     
                                                    On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Robert Chamberland <chamberlands@...> wrote:
                                                     

                                                    I have a set of plans for MJ. This is the set without any updates. No boat has been constructed from these plans. Free to the first call. Send Email to me.
                                                    Bob Chamberland


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