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  • imreddieru1019
    Hi, I building an Otter II and have found on the offset drawing page that there are two sets of profile offsets; Expanded hull sides-true shape-no deductions
    Message 1 of 13 , Jul 26, 2002
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      Hi,
      I building an Otter II and have found on the offset drawing page that
      there are two sets of profile offsets; "Expanded hull sides-true
      shape-no deductions" and bellow it another set of offsets. Which are
      the ones that are to be drawn on the ply-wood. Can anyone help?
      Thanks,
      Ed
    • Sam Glasscock
      The expanded hull sides-true shape should be drawn on the panel--it gives you the true shape of the piece you are cutting, before any bending or assembly.
      Message 2 of 13 , Jul 26, 2002
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        The "expanded hull sides-true shape" should be drawn
        on the panel--it gives you the true shape of the piece
        you are cutting, before any bending or assembly. The
        other numbers should be a table of offsts for lofting
        purposes, which involves drawing the shape of the
        finished boat as viewed from one plane (plan, profile,
        etc.). I am not familiar with the Otter II, but if it
        is built "instant boat style" you will probably not
        need the table off offsets, unless you want to do the
        lofting for its own sake. Hope this helps. Sam
        --- imreddieru1019 <imreddieru1019@...> wrote:
        > Hi,
        > I building an Otter II and have found on the offset
        > drawing page that
        > there are two sets of profile offsets; "Expanded
        > hull sides-true
        > shape-no deductions" and bellow it another set of
        > offsets. Which are
        > the ones that are to be drawn on the ply-wood. Can
        > anyone help?
        > Thanks,
        > Ed
        >
        >


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      • Vince and Mary Ann Chew
        The expanded sides-true shape no deductions are what you draw on the flat panels. The offsets show the actual shape of the hull and are useful for dimensions
        Message 3 of 13 , Jul 26, 2002
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          The "expanded sides-true shape no deductions" are what you draw on the
          flat panels. The offsets show the actual shape of the hull and are
          useful for dimensions and location of frames, bulkheads, mast, thwarts,
          centerboard, lockers, hatches, etc., etc.

          Vince Chew
        • imreddieru1019
          -Thank you very much. Glad I made the right decsicion....-- In
          Message 4 of 13 , Jul 28, 2002
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            -Thank you very much. Glad I made the right decsicion....-- In
            bolger@y..., Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@y...> wrote:
            > The "expanded hull sides-true shape" should be drawn
            > on the panel--it gives you the true shape of the piece
            > you are cutting, before any bending or assembly. The
            > other numbers should be a table of offsts for lofting
            > purposes, which involves drawing the shape of the
            > finished boat as viewed from one plane (plan, profile,
            > etc.). I am not familiar with the Otter II, but if it
            > is built "instant boat style" you will probably not
            > need the table off offsets, unless you want to do the
            > lofting for its own sake. Hope this helps. Sam
            > --- imreddieru1019 <imreddieru1019@y...> wrote:
            > > Hi,
            > > I building an Otter II and have found on the offset
            > > drawing page that
            > > there are two sets of profile offsets; "Expanded
            > > hull sides-true
            > > shape-no deductions" and bellow it another set of
            > > offsets. Which are
            > > the ones that are to be drawn on the ply-wood. Can
            > > anyone help?
            > > Thanks,
            > > Ed
            > >
            > >
            >
            >
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          • imreddieru1019
            ... Thank you Vince....
            Message 5 of 13 , Jul 28, 2002
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              --- In bolger@y..., Vince and Mary Ann Chew <vachew@v...> wrote:
              > The "expanded sides-true shape no deductions" are what you draw on the
              > flat panels. The offsets show the actual shape of the hull and are
              > useful for dimensions and location of frames, bulkheads, mast, thwarts,
              > centerboard, lockers, hatches, etc., etc.
              >
              > Vince Chew
              Thank you Vince....
            • pvanderwaart
              ... Just curious: do the plans say anything about ballast? Peter
              Message 6 of 13 , Jul 28, 2002
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                > I building an Otter II.

                Just curious: do the plans say anything about ballast?

                Peter
              • imreddieru1019
                ... No, there is no ballast for Otter II. If you would like I can email scanned versions of them to you. I know that Black Skimmer and Black Gauntlet, which
                Message 7 of 13 , Jul 29, 2002
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                  --- In bolger@y..., "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
                  > > I building an Otter II.
                  >
                  > Just curious: do the plans say anything about ballast?
                  >
                  > Peter
                  No, there is no ballast for Otter II. If you would like I can email
                  scanned versions of them to you. I know that Black Skimmer and Black
                  Gauntlet, which are larger versions of Otter, from the book Folding
                  Schooner, have ballast built into them.
                  In fact, Skimmer was to be my first choice, except for a limited
                  budget, to build.
                  The text states that with occupants there is no need for ballast. It
                  is a short cat rig on board.
                  Regards,
                  Ed
                • pvanderwaart
                  ... I have the book, so I don t need the scans, thank you. ... I always thought it was a very interesting boat but not many have been built. I have a vague
                  Message 8 of 13 , Jul 29, 2002
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                    > If you would like I can email
                    > scanned versions of them to you.

                    I have the book, so I don't need the scans, thank you.

                    > The text states that with occupants there is no need for ballast.

                    I always thought it was a very interesting boat but not many have
                    been built. I have a vague memory that some adjustments were needed
                    to the plans after the first one was built, i.e. in addition to the
                    corrections mentioned in the book, and wondered if ballast was one
                    such change. That size boat is in the grey area between the never-
                    ballasted light dinghy and the always-ballasted shoal draft cruising
                    boat. Often they get just enough ballast to bring them back from a
                    knockdown. The skill and attitudes of the crew are big factors of
                    course.

                    Peter
                  • brucehector
                    Yes please, post scans of the design to the group, or at Bolger2 if this one is full. Some of us don t have a book with Otter2 in it. I d love to see what
                    Message 9 of 13 , Jul 29, 2002
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                      Yes please, post scans of the design to the group, or at Bolger2 if
                      this one is full. Some of us don't have a book with Otter2 in it. I'd
                      love to see what changes were made from Otter1.
                    • ntsrfer
                      How the building of the Otter II going ? Any pictures? Todd ... that
                      Message 10 of 13 , Aug 20, 2002
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                        How the building of the Otter II going ?
                        Any pictures?

                        Todd

                        --- In bolger@y..., "imreddieru1019" <imreddieru1019@y...> wrote:
                        > Hi,
                        > I building an Otter II and have found on the offset drawing page
                        that
                        > there are two sets of profile offsets; "Expanded hull sides-true
                        > shape-no deductions" and bellow it another set of offsets. Which are
                        > the ones that are to be drawn on the ply-wood. Can anyone help?
                        > Thanks,
                        > Ed
                      • pthelin1
                        Has anyone here built and sailed an Otter II? I like the design for its size--20 feet seems right to have tied up to the floating home, but I m curious how it
                        Message 11 of 13 , Mar 9 4:09 PM
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                          Has anyone here built and sailed an Otter II?

                          I like the design for its size--20 feet seems right to have tied up to the floating home, but I'm curious how it stands up to weather. San Pablo bay can get quite rough, a foot or two chop isn't unusual in the afternoons. How easy is it to reef down when the wind picks up?

                          Also, can it hold four people for a short sail?

                          Peter
                        • Peter
                          ... The fact that Otter is an older design and few have built built suggest that a careful look is in order. I think I remember a comment that Otter II had
                          Message 12 of 13 , Mar 10 10:13 AM
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                            > Has anyone here built and sailed an Otter II?
                            > Also, can it hold four people for a short sail?

                            The fact that Otter is an older design and few have built built suggest that a careful look is in order. I think I remember a comment that Otter II had marginal stability and required ballast not shown on the plans.

                            In contrast, Micro, Long Micro, Chebacco, and Black Skimmer have all been built in numbers and are in the same ballpark as far as size and cost.

                            I think you might look at Wish II, shown in 30 Odd Boats. His remarks there are not encouraging, mostly because of the overly ambitious cabin arrangement. A modified plan is available, I think. At least, a man built one with an arrangement more like LM or BS, and took it the length of the Mississippi River with his daughter.

                            Any of these boats should be able to handle 4 for a daysail. My Cynthia J. catboat could do it, and she was only 15 ft.

                            Peter
                          • c.ruzer
                            Peter, Dave Carnell built himself one. Perhaps an archived email exchange below may help to inform - I don t believe Dave of the great $200 Sailboat (what s
                            Message 13 of 13 , Apr 11, 2012
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                              Peter,

                              Dave Carnell built himself one. Perhaps an archived email exchange below may help to inform - I don't believe Dave of the great "$200 Sailboat" (what's happened to that one now? - done by permission and after the Bolger Featherwind) would mind his opinion of the Otter2 being passed on in this forum. I'm not sure of Dave's physical size...
                              http://www.simplicityboats.com/featherwind.html

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                              I had hoped the Otter II would be a trailerable sailboat. It was too
                              heavy and difficult to rig for that. It was a good sailer, thouigh.
                              Bolger told me the other two prototype builders swamped their boats, so I
                              built flotation into the cockpit, but never had real problems. By the
                              time I had water coming over the gunwale, the rig dumped its wind.

                              It was terribly cramped for two to cruise aboard. I used it for ten years
                              till the worms ate through the bottom and sank her at her mooring.

                              Dave


                              > >From the few photos I've seen the Otter seems to fit the looks of a
                              > boat I'd like to build. How ever I understand from the Bolger yahoo
                              > group that you had problems with it and were'nt entirely satisfied.
                              >
                              > I'd be very pleased if you could tell me what you found wrong with it.
                              >
                              > Thanks, and Kind Regards"

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                              --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "pthelin1" <pthelin1@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > Has anyone here built and sailed an Otter II?
                              >
                              > I like the design for its size--20 feet seems right to have tied up to the floating home, but I'm curious how it stands up to weather. San Pablo bay can get quite rough, a foot or two chop isn't unusual in the afternoons. How easy is it to reef down when the wind picks up?
                              >
                              > Also, can it hold four people for a short sail?
                              >
                              > Peter
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