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  • Mark Albanese
    Rich, I ve put the table temporarily at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/database I think there are more posts in favor of your DB than otherwise. Are you
    Message 1 of 9 , Feb 2, 2002
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      Rich,

      I've put the table temporarily at
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/database

      I think there are more posts in favor of your DB than
      otherwise. Are you still intending to delete?

      Mark

      >
      > rmdeming wrote:
      >
      > > So
      > > here is
      > > what I do as the database owner:
      > > 1)I will no longer add or modify or support the
      > > database. The
      > > Groups Moderator has the same rights as me for this
      > > database, so I
      > > give him the chance to take over if he so chooses. He is
      > > after all
      > > the boss around here and deserves to have that option.
      > > 2) If I do not hear from the Group Moderator within
      > > a couple of
      > > days, I am going to delete the whole thing. If anyone
      > > wants the list
      > > of designs that are currently there, you can export the
      > > list to you
      > > hard drive. Get it now while you can.>
    • Mark Albanese
      Thanks for sticking to it, Rich. Those Yahoo databases are pretty primitive huh? No field masks to regularize the input; displays the way it wants to; let
      Message 2 of 9 , Feb 2, 2002
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        Thanks for sticking to it, Rich.

        Those Yahoo databases are pretty primitive huh? No field
        masks to regularize the input; displays the way it wants to;
        let alone no radio buttons, graphics or the hotlink.

        No doubt the beauty is that it's there at all.

        A new DB may often need revision. Here's a structure hoped
        to make the long term simpler:


        Fields 1-7:

        Design Name
        Number
        Dimensions
        Notes
        Fee PCB&F
        As of Month/Year
        Fee HHP&co.

        This is easier to fix up now with forty records than when
        there are 400.


        Mark




        rmdeming wrote:
        >I will not delete it.
      • Mark Albanese
        Oops. I couldn t stop the send. Should be 8 fields. Very similar to what you ve got, just swapping things around a bit to keep out useless clutter. Design Name
        Message 3 of 9 , Feb 2, 2002
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          Oops. I couldn't stop the send.

          Should be 8 fields. Very similar to what you've got, just
          swapping things around a bit to keep out useless clutter.

          Design Name
          Number
          Type ( sail / power / row )
          Dimensions
          Notes
          Fee PCB&F
          As of Month/Year
          Fee HHP&co.



          Mark Albanese wrote:
          >
          > Thanks for sticking to it, Rich.
          >
          > Those Yahoo databases are pretty primitive huh? No field
          > masks to regularize the input; displays the way it wants
          > to;
          > let alone no radio buttons, graphics or the hotlink.
          >
          > No doubt the beauty is that it's there at all.
          >
          > A new DB may often need revision. Here's a structure hoped
          > to make the long term simpler:
          >
          > Fields 1-7:
          >
          > Design Name
          > Number
          > Dimensions
          > Notes
          > Fee PCB&F
          > As of Month/Year
          > Fee HHP&co.
          >
          > This is easier to fix up now with forty records than when
          > there are 400.
          >
          > Mark
          >
          > rmdeming wrote:
          > >I will not delete it.
          >
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        • Philip Smith
          I received a fax from Phil Bolger. Reading between the lines of his fax I believe that 1) he s in favor of the design database and 2) doesn t want to be
          Message 4 of 9 , Feb 3, 2002
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            I received a fax from Phil Bolger. Reading between the lines of his fax I
            believe that 1) he's in favor of the design database and 2) doesn't want to
            be conflicted by wanting to answer reasonable but trivial questions about
            his designs because there's not enough time to do so and 3) doesn't want to
            be pestered by people who want a complete redesign of an existing design to
            do something different.

            Perhaps the secondary title for the database ought to be "Build 'em Like
            Phil Drew 'em or Get a New Design."

            If you don't build the boats as he designed them, then they aren't Phil's
            designs any longer. (Kind of like the guy who had Lincoln's axe. Of course
            he'd had to put five new handles and three new heads on the axe, but it was
            still Lincoln's's axe.)

            Phil Smith
          • dbaldnz
            Phil Smith says one should get a new design, not change a Bolger plan. What about me? My boat when built suited my needs at that time, but changing
            Message 5 of 9 , Feb 3, 2002
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              Phil Smith says one should get a new design, not change a Bolger plan.
              What about me? My boat when built suited my needs at that time, but
              changing circumstances dictate a changed boat.
              A bolger box is worth very little to sell, so why not start over
              using the basic boat you already own, and adapt it to what you need?
              Within reasonable limits of course, in my case incorporating a Bolger
              modification. I agree that any changes you make remove the boat from
              Bolgers responsibilty.
              Owning and playing with a cheap Bolger boxes are supposed to be fun
              are they not?
              DonB
            • rmdeming
              ... Don, I think he is refering to changing someone elses plans a hair and then claiming them as your own to sell or build for profit. The M2 Marine website
              Message 6 of 9 , Feb 4, 2002
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                > Owning and playing with a cheap Bolger boxes are supposed to be fun
                > are they not?

                Don,
                I think he is refering to changing someone elses plans a hair and
                then claiming them as your own to sell or build for profit. The M2
                Marine website atleast mentioned Bolger and I wouldn't doubt that
                they are paying him royalties. I also like to experiment with the
                designs a bit, but this is my hobby and I feel that I can do that,
                but it does free the designer from any further responsibility.
                Rich

                And they are funnnnn!
              • dbaldnz
                Thanks Rich. Glad to hear you are a tinkerer too. When I ordered my Navigator plan, Bolger asked for photos and comments, because I don t think one had been
                Message 7 of 9 , Feb 4, 2002
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                  Thanks Rich. Glad to hear you are a tinkerer too.
                  When I ordered my Navigator plan, Bolger asked for photos and
                  comments, because I don't think one had been built. I had to admit
                  that my Micro was modified, and may not be suitable. I expected to
                  get my bottom spanked when I sent the first pics, but he made no
                  comment about that. Interestingly, after I added the bow and stern in
                  a public area, several people stopped and asked which Bolger design?
                  And I was amazed that several had built Bolger boats around here.
                  The only one I have seen sailing is a Black Skimmer, modified with a
                  centreboard instead of leeboards, and she went very well.
                  Ah, the joy of a boat not too precious!
                  DonB

                  > Don,
                  > I think he is refering to changing someone elses plans a hair and
                  > then claiming them as your own to sell or build for profit. The M2
                  > Marine website atleast mentioned Bolger and I wouldn't doubt that
                  > they are paying him royalties. I also like to experiment with the
                  > designs a bit, but this is my hobby and I feel that I can do that,
                  > but it does free the designer from any further responsibility.
                  > Rich
                  >
                  > And they are funnnnn!
                • Mark Albanese
                  On the other hand, it seemed best to put BWAOM under Description. But a question: Putting in the URL makes that field s entries wider for the entire page. I m
                  Message 8 of 9 , Feb 7, 2002
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                    On the other hand, it seemed best to put BWAOM under Description.

                    But a question:

                    Putting in the URL makes that field's entries wider for the
                    entire page. I'm still using a pretty small screen, so have
                    to click once to scroll over. It doesn't bother me, but I
                    wonder if this is worth the bother for others in order to
                    have the links.

                    Mark

                    > For the Auray Punt I added to availability in BWAOM, since
                    > enough is there to build.
                    > For Anhinga, in description went the URL to files in
                    > Bolger2. Can't be a hotlink, but copy and paste will take
                    > you there.
                  • brucehallman
                    ... I too considered putting URL s in the database, but they are too wide and cumbersome. The obvious thing to do is to create folders in the Bookmarks
                    Message 9 of 9 , Feb 8, 2002
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                      > Putting in the URL makes that field's entries wider for the

                      I too considered putting URL's in the database, but they are too wide
                      and cumbersome. The obvious thing to do is to create folders in
                      the "Bookmarks" feature of this Yahoo Group and organize URL's
                      there. The other thing to do, perhaps, is to rely on an outside
                      page, and/or use a webring.
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