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  • thomas dalzell
    I can t get into the CSD/PCB thing as regards your thoughtful comments Mark, because I don t know enough about the US law etc... In the case of my remark I
    Message 1 of 52 , Jan 21, 2002
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      I can't get into the CSD/PCB thing as regards your
      thoughtful comments Mark, because I don't know enough
      about the US law etc... In the case of my remark I
      should have made it more clear that I ment That
      according to PCB, CSD isn't authorised by PCB&F to
      sell any of his plans. Whether there is a higher
      authority here, I don't know.

      I am curious as to the copyright point you raise. If
      the coverage were only for 10 years, and if these
      plans were copyrighted in the first place, There is
      still the issue of trademark, and whose name can be
      used to sell them.

      PCB has updated the plans, and sells them for more
      than CSD, and perhaps people who buy them elsewhere
      than PCB&F should consider paying Phil the difference
      if they want his support, or to use his name when it
      comes to resale of their boats.

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      TD,<BR>
      <BR>
      At the risk of restarting the whole copyright issue
      again, let me <BR>
      just say that the best info I've got is that exclusive
      rights to boat <BR>
      designs are good for only ten years.<BR>
      <BR>
      That puts Micro, MJ and all the other Bolger CSD boats
      technically in <BR>
      the public domain.<BR>
      ( Browse the US government pages to see this for
      yourself. )<BR>
      <BR>
      By that, there are no legal means for the Bolgers to
      prevent CSD or <BR>
      Ducktrap from what they're doing, even if it's worth
      it to them. <BR>
      Bernie Wolfard believed he had a proprietary interest
      in the CSD <BR>
      boats. Jerry Estes bought the business in good faith
      from him. PB&F <BR>
      does disagree. What a mess.<BR>
      <BR>
      The issues now are if people want the plans in a way
      that ignores the <BR>
      feelings and  interests  of their creator
      and whether they want  to <BR>
      rely on first rate prints, responsible updates, and
      wholehearted <BR>
      support from him.<BR>
      <BR>
      By, "Wholehearted support" I mean that
      apparently Phil will still <BR>
      converse with you about plans bought from CSD, 
      but that's because <BR>
      he's a decent guy and they are, after all, his
      boats.<BR>
      But he gets nothing from it but the pleasure. Isn't
      that a little much to ask?<BR>
      <BR>
      Mark<BR>
      <BR>
      <BR>
      Thomas Dalzell wrote:<BR>
      ><BR>
      >As to CSD, Bolger in a recent letter to me said
      they<BR>
      >are no longer authorised to sell his plans, and
      have<BR>
      >not been for some time.  Whether one can sell
      parts to<BR>
      >folks with plans is possibly another issue.<BR>
      ><BR>
      ><BR>
      ><BR>
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    • rlspell2000
      Mike, I m interested in hearing more about your knockdown. As you know, I m builing the Chebacco light cruiser, which will be using the pilothouse as last
      Message 52 of 52 , Jan 25, 2002
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        Mike, I'm interested in hearing more about your knockdown. As you
        know, I'm builing the Chebacco light cruiser, which will be using the
        pilothouse as last ditch reserver floatation.

        BTW, what did you use for your windows? Acrylic? Lexan? How thick?

        Did you get any water in the cockpit durring your knockdown?

        Were you in the boat? Did your hanging on cause any problems with
        righting?

        Were the sails up? What knocked you over, a puff?

        Details, please!

        --- In bolger@y..., "mikestockstill" <mkstocks@b...> wrote:
        > Hi -
        >
        > > Last I heard Bolger had released a re-vamped MJ and was suggesting
        > > adding more ballast or lead sole to MJ's bottom?
        >
        > I have not felt the need to have the extra ballast on the bottom.
        I
        > fill my ballast tanks, secure any loose gear down low in the boat
        > (which everyone should do anyway.
        >
        > Only once did I have a Martha Jane on the side - and that was due
        to
        > having the ballast only partially filled and no gear. The high
        house
        > and sponsons worked as advertised.
        >
        > Mike
        > http://mkstocks.tripod.com/boats/martha_jane/
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