Re: [bolger] Unauthorized plans
- I can't get into the CSD/PCB thing as regards your
thoughtful comments Mark, because I don't know enough
about the US law etc... In the case of my remark I
should have made it more clear that I ment That
according to PCB, CSD isn't authorised by PCB&F to
sell any of his plans. Whether there is a higher
authority here, I don't know.
I am curious as to the copyright point you raise. If
the coverage were only for 10 years, and if these
plans were copyrighted in the first place, There is
still the issue of trademark, and whose name can be
used to sell them.
PCB has updated the plans, and sells them for more
than CSD, and perhaps people who buy them elsewhere
than PCB&F should consider paying Phil the difference
if they want his support, or to use his name when it
comes to resale of their boats.
--- Mark Albanese <marka@...> wrote:
At the risk of restarting the whole copyright issue
again, let me <BR>
just say that the best info I've got is that exclusive
rights to boat <BR>
designs are good for only ten years.<BR>
That puts Micro, MJ and all the other Bolger CSD boats
technically in <BR>
the public domain.<BR>
( Browse the US government pages to see this for
By that, there are no legal means for the Bolgers to
prevent CSD or <BR>
Ducktrap from what they're doing, even if it's worth
it to them. <BR>
Bernie Wolfard believed he had a proprietary interest
in the CSD <BR>
boats. Jerry Estes bought the business in good faith
from him. PB&F <BR>
does disagree. What a mess.<BR>
The issues now are if people want the plans in a way
that ignores the <BR>
feelings and interests of their creator
and whether they want to <BR>
rely on first rate prints, responsible updates, and
support from him.<BR>
By, "Wholehearted support" I mean that
apparently Phil will still <BR>
converse with you about plans bought from CSD,
but that's because <BR>
he's a decent guy and they are, after all, his
But he gets nothing from it but the pleasure. Isn't
that a little much to ask?<BR>
Thomas Dalzell wrote:<BR>
>As to CSD, Bolger in a recent letter to me said
>are no longer authorised to sell his plans, andhave<BR>
>not been for some time. Whether one can sellparts to<BR>
>folks with plans is possibly another issue.<BR></tt>
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- Mike, I'm interested in hearing more about your knockdown. As you
know, I'm builing the Chebacco light cruiser, which will be using the
pilothouse as last ditch reserver floatation.
BTW, what did you use for your windows? Acrylic? Lexan? How thick?
Did you get any water in the cockpit durring your knockdown?
Were you in the boat? Did your hanging on cause any problems with
Were the sails up? What knocked you over, a puff?
--- In bolger@y..., "mikestockstill" <mkstocks@b...> wrote:
> Hi -
> > Last I heard Bolger had released a re-vamped MJ and was suggesting
> > adding more ballast or lead sole to MJ's bottom?
> I have not felt the need to have the extra ballast on the bottom.
> fill my ballast tanks, secure any loose gear down low in the boat
> (which everyone should do anyway.
> Only once did I have a Martha Jane on the side - and that was due
> having the ballast only partially filled and no gear. The high
> and sponsons worked as advertised.