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  • pvanderwaart
    ... If you paid for the aggrevation my scanner gave me trying to get the scan of Schorpioen, I d be rich. Anyway, look here:
    Message 1 of 20 , Jan 1, 2002
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      > could you kindly beam up the design for Schorpion.

      If you paid for the aggrevation my scanner gave me trying to get the
      scan of Schorpioen, I'd be rich. Anyway, look here:

      http://www.geocities.com/pvanderwaart/BolgerBoats.html

      I really like Arava, the hull and the interior. I could do without
      the unusual rig, the side-facing companionway ladder, and the
      apparent trouble with stability. For a new rig, we could go with a
      cutter rig much like the rig shown, or perhaps a cat-yawl like the AS-
      29. Or a more regular schooner, but we want to minimize weight aloft.

      I don't have much comment on Schorpioen. Somewhat outre for my tastes.

      Peter
    • thomas dalzell
      Thanks Peter, Kind of a Single Eagle with traning wheels as regards Schorpion, wonder how she sails throught he wind, that is a lot of superstructure.
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        Thanks Peter,

        Kind of a Single Eagle with traning wheels as regards
        Schorpion, wonder how she sails throught he wind, that
        is a lot of superstructure.

        Computers can be tricky. Sometimes the simplest thing
        can take longer than... building a Wyoming. Anyway
        thanks on my account.

        Thomas


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        > could you kindly beam up the design for
        Schorpion.<BR>
        <BR>
        If you paid for the aggrevation my scanner gave me
        trying to get the <BR>
        scan of Schorpioen, I'd be rich. Anyway, look
        here:<BR>
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        I really like Arava, the hull and the interior. I
        could do without <BR>
        the unusual rig, the side-facing companionway ladder,
        and the <BR>
        apparent trouble with stability. For a new rig, we
        could go with a <BR>
        cutter rig much like the rig shown, or perhaps a
        cat-yawl like the AS-<BR>
        29. Or a more regular schooner, but we want to
        minimize weight aloft.<BR>
        <BR>
        I don't have much comment on Schorpioen. Somewhat
        outre for my tastes.<BR>
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        Peter<BR>
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      • Clyde S. Wisner
        I really like the other half of that article, the Puffer 40 . When my wife thought I was serious about sending $2000 to finish the plans, she became much
        Message 3 of 20 , Jan 2, 2002
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          I really like the other half of that article, the "Puffer 40". When my wife thought I was serious
          about sending $2000 to finish the plans, she became much more interested in finding a place to retire
          on the Eastern Shore(MD), on land; and hence, my house project. Clyde

          David Ryan wrote:

          > Quoting from the article:
          >
          > "It has to resemble a real boat! You can not risk looking like a
          > squatter, notwithstanding the fact
          > that you actually are sort of. Thus, no shantyboats, pretty Belinda
          > hideaway, and other provocations to nautical sensitivities."
          >
          > I think this rules out the "Loose Moose II"
          >
          > What I like about the Illinois is that in exchange for forgoing a
          > "real sea boat" you get something that looks like a real boat!
          > Aesthetics are a consideration in any good design. I enjoy the "Loose
          > Moose II" solution, but the "Illinois" actually comes closer to
          > answering the question I find myself asking.
          >
          > Last night my wife and I were speculating on the super-folding
          > schooner as a starting point for our "Dream Bolger Boat" Big for
          > bigness sake (not to mention the room!) A tamer schooner rig for both
          > the romance and true handiness (after 15 months of schooner sailing,
          > I'll say they have much to recommend them over sloops!) and an honest
          > respect of being a inshore/near shore boat.
          >
          > I'm tempted to write a letter!
          >
          > YIBB,
          >
          > David
          >
          > >Maybe the AS39 aka "Loose Moose" in BWOM book. Several have been
          > >built and very spacious.
          > >
          > >Jeff
          > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > From: David Ryan
          > > To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
          > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 12:18 PM
          > > Subject: Re: [bolger] Wyoming or Illinois?
          > >
          > >
          > > This was a delightful essay to read, especially for small businessmen
          > > kicked once and kicked again by recent events and dreaming of a life
          > > of more appealing obligations. Sooner or later we learn the meaning
          > > of "be careful what you wish for" and I suppose building and living
          > > about "Illinois" would merely give me the opportunity to learn it
          > > again.
          > >
          > > At any rate, does anyone know if PCB has every drawn a sailboat with
          > > more or less the same idea -- i.e. a god-awful huge boat, easy to
          > > look at and easy to build?
          > >
          > > YIBB,
          > >
          > > David
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > >I, too, spend time dreaming about which Bolger boat
          > > >I want to build!
          > > >
          > > >I keep coming back to their design #630, Illinois;
          > > >which I view as a pure act of genius.
          > > >
          > > >http://www.hallman.org/bolger/Illinois.htm
          > > >
          > > >This boat serves all the same needs of Wyoming, but with the
          > > >increased size, especially the "top deck" it seems to be
          > > >twice the boat at only 50% increase in cost.
          > > >
          > > >Estimating the time to build, 450 sheets of ply
          > > >at 4 hours per each would come to 1800 hours =
          > > >fortyfive 40hr weeks. Cost 450 sheets @ $50/sheet =
          > > >$22,500, round up to $40K.
          > > >
          > > >Equivalant in living space to a studio apartment which
          > > >around San Francisco costs $1,500/month. Not counting the
          > > >value of your time, a two year payback period. No bad!
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >Bolger rules!!!
          > > >- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
          > > >- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
          > > >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
          > > >- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
          > > >MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
          > > >- Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
          > > >
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          > > Bolger rules!!!
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          > > - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
          > > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
          > > - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
          > >MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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          > >Bolger rules!!!
          > >- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
          > >- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
          > >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
          > >- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
          > >MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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          > Bolger rules!!!
          > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
          > - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
          > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
          > - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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        • Geren W. Mortensen, Jr.
          Clyde, Berlin, MD, is a nice little town to retire to. My parents just finished building a house there, and there are at least three developments in
          Message 4 of 20 , Jan 2, 2002
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            Clyde,

            Berlin, MD, is a nice little town to retire to. My parents just finished
            building a house there, and there are at least three developments in
            development (Henry's Mill and Henry's Green come to mind right off -
            contact Bunting Realty for details). At any rate, I can highly recommend
            Piney Island Builders of Berlin. They have nice designs, can do custom
            designs, and the workmanship is very good.

            One really nice thing about being on the shore is it puts you in closer
            proximity to the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum.

            Good luck!

            At 1/2/02 08:54 AM, you wrote:
            >I really like the other half of that article, the "Puffer 40". When my
            >wife thought I was serious
            >about sending $2000 to finish the plans, she became much more interested
            >in finding a place to retire
            >on the Eastern Shore(MD), on land; and hence, my house project. Clyde
            >
            >David Ryan wrote:
            >
            > > Quoting from the article:
            > >
            > > "It has to resemble a real boat! You can not risk looking like a
            > > squatter, notwithstanding the fact
            > > that you actually are sort of. Thus, no shantyboats, pretty Belinda
            > > hideaway, and other provocations to nautical sensitivities."
            > >
            > > I think this rules out the "Loose Moose II"
            > >
            > > What I like about the Illinois is that in exchange for forgoing a
            > > "real sea boat" you get something that looks like a real boat!
            > > Aesthetics are a consideration in any good design. I enjoy the "Loose
            > > Moose II" solution, but the "Illinois" actually comes closer to
            > > answering the question I find myself asking.
            > >
            > > Last night my wife and I were speculating on the super-folding
            > > schooner as a starting point for our "Dream Bolger Boat" Big for
            > > bigness sake (not to mention the room!) A tamer schooner rig for both
            > > the romance and true handiness (after 15 months of schooner sailing,
            > > I'll say they have much to recommend them over sloops!) and an honest
            > > respect of being a inshore/near shore boat.
            > >
            > > I'm tempted to write a letter!
            > >
            > > YIBB,
            > >
            > > David
            > >
            > > >Maybe the AS39 aka "Loose Moose" in BWOM book. Several have been
            > > >built and very spacious.
            > > >
            > > >Jeff
            > > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > > From: David Ryan
            > > > To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
            > > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 12:18 PM
            > > > Subject: Re: [bolger] Wyoming or Illinois?
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > This was a delightful essay to read, especially for small businessmen
            > > > kicked once and kicked again by recent events and dreaming of a life
            > > > of more appealing obligations. Sooner or later we learn the meaning
            > > > of "be careful what you wish for" and I suppose building and living
            > > > about "Illinois" would merely give me the opportunity to learn it
            > > > again.
            > > >
            > > > At any rate, does anyone know if PCB has every drawn a sailboat with
            > > > more or less the same idea -- i.e. a god-awful huge boat, easy to
            > > > look at and easy to build?
            > > >
            > > > YIBB,
            > > >
            > > > David
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > >I, too, spend time dreaming about which Bolger boat
            > > > >I want to build!
            > > > >
            > > > >I keep coming back to their design #630, Illinois;
            > > > >which I view as a pure act of genius.
            > > > >
            > > > >http://www.hallman.org/bolger/Illinois.htm
            > > > >
            > > > >This boat serves all the same needs of Wyoming, but with the
            > > > >increased size, especially the "top deck" it seems to be
            > > > >twice the boat at only 50% increase in cost.
            > > > >
            > > > >Estimating the time to build, 450 sheets of ply
            > > > >at 4 hours per each would come to 1800 hours =
            > > > >fortyfive 40hr weeks. Cost 450 sheets @ $50/sheet =
            > > > >$22,500, round up to $40K.
            > > > >
            > > > >Equivalant in living space to a studio apartment which
            > > > >around San Francisco costs $1,500/month. Not counting the
            > > > >value of your time, a two year payback period. No bad!
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >Bolger rules!!!
            > > > >- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
            > > > >- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
            > > > >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
            > > > >- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
            > > > >MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
            > > > >- Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
            > > > >
            > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
            > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > C.E.P.
            > > > 134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
            > > > New York, New York 10001
            > > > http://www.crumblingempire.com
            > > > (212) 247-0296
            > > >
            > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
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            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > Bolger rules!!!
            > > > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
            > > > - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
            > > > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
            > > > - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
            > > >MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
            > > > - Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
            > > >
            > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >Bolger rules!!!
            > > >- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
            > > >- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
            > > >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
            > > >- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
            > > >MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
            > > >- Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
            > > >
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            > >
            > > C.E.P.
            > > 134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
            > > New York, New York 10001
            > > http://www.crumblingempire.com
            > > (212) 247-0296
            > >
            > >
            > > Bolger rules!!!
            > > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
            > > - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
            > > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
            > > - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
            > 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
            > > - Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
            > >
            > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
            >
            >
            >
            >Bolger rules!!!
            >- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
            >- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
            >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
            >- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
            >01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
            >- Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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          • weekender24
            Does Clyde or anyone else have a copy of the Puffer 40 article posted where I could see it. Having just moved I am still missing my back stack of MAIB...I
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              Does Clyde or anyone else have a copy of the "Puffer 40" article
              posted where I could see it. Having just moved I am still missing my
              back stack of MAIB...I know that they're in a box, but I don't know
              which box or which room. Thanks for the help.

              Dave
              --- In bolger@y..., "Clyde S. Wisner" <clydewis@c...> wrote:
              > I really like the other half of that article, the "Puffer 40".
              When my wife thought I was serious
              > about sending $2000 to finish the plans, she became much more
              interested in finding a place to retire
              > on the Eastern Shore(MD), on land; and hence, my house project.
              Clyde
              >
              > David Ryan wrote:
              >
              > > Quoting from the article:
              > >
              > > "It has to resemble a real boat! You can not risk looking like a
              > > squatter, notwithstanding the fact
              > > that you actually are sort of. Thus, no shantyboats, pretty
              Belinda
              > > hideaway, and other provocations to nautical sensitivities."
              > >
              > > I think this rules out the "Loose Moose II"
              > >
              > > What I like about the Illinois is that in exchange for forgoing a
              > > "real sea boat" you get something that looks like a real boat!
              > > Aesthetics are a consideration in any good design. I enjoy
              the "Loose
              > > Moose II" solution, but the "Illinois" actually comes closer to
              > > answering the question I find myself asking.
              > >
              > > Last night my wife and I were speculating on the super-folding
              > > schooner as a starting point for our "Dream Bolger Boat" Big for
              > > bigness sake (not to mention the room!) A tamer schooner rig for
              both
              > > the romance and true handiness (after 15 months of schooner
              sailing,
              > > I'll say they have much to recommend them over sloops!) and an
              honest
              > > respect of being a inshore/near shore boat.
              > >
              > > I'm tempted to write a letter!
              > >
              > > YIBB,
              > >
              > > David
              > >
              > > >Maybe the AS39 aka "Loose Moose" in BWOM book. Several have been
              > > >built and very spacious.
              > > >
              > > >Jeff
              > > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > > From: David Ryan
              > > > To: bolger@y...
              > > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 12:18 PM
              > > > Subject: Re: [bolger] Wyoming or Illinois?
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > This was a delightful essay to read, especially for small
              businessmen
              > > > kicked once and kicked again by recent events and dreaming of
              a life
              > > > of more appealing obligations. Sooner or later we learn the
              meaning
              > > > of "be careful what you wish for" and I suppose building and
              living
              > > > about "Illinois" would merely give me the opportunity to
              learn it
              > > > again.
              > > >
              > > > At any rate, does anyone know if PCB has every drawn a
              sailboat with
              > > > more or less the same idea -- i.e. a god-awful huge boat,
              easy to
              > > > look at and easy to build?
              > > >
              > > > YIBB,
              > > >
              > > > David
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > >I, too, spend time dreaming about which Bolger boat
              > > > >I want to build!
              > > > >
              > > > >I keep coming back to their design #630, Illinois;
              > > > >which I view as a pure act of genius.
              > > > >
              > > > >http://www.hallman.org/bolger/Illinois.htm
              > > > >
              > > > >This boat serves all the same needs of Wyoming, but with the
              > > > >increased size, especially the "top deck" it seems to be
              > > > >twice the boat at only 50% increase in cost.
              > > > >
              > > > >Estimating the time to build, 450 sheets of ply
              > > > >at 4 hours per each would come to 1800 hours =
              > > > >fortyfive 40hr weeks. Cost 450 sheets @ $50/sheet =
              > > > >$22,500, round up to $40K.
              > > > >
              > > > >Equivalant in living space to a studio apartment which
              > > > >around San Francisco costs $1,500/month. Not counting the
              > > > >value of your time, a two year payback period. No bad!
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >Bolger rules!!!
              > > > >- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead
              horses
              > > > >- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
              > > > >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all
              you like
              > > > >- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
              Gloucester,
              > > > >MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
              > > > >- Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@y...
              > > > >
              > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
              http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > C.E.P.
              > > > 134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
              > > > New York, New York 10001
              > > > http://www.crumblingempire.com
              > > > (212) 247-0296
              > > >
              > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
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              Dave, No text,just drawings for PUFFER if you look here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/BIG%20BOLGER%20BOATS/ Peter Lenihan ... my ... a ... for
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                Dave,
                No text,just drawings for PUFFER if you look here:
                http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/BIG%20BOLGER%20BOATS/
                Peter Lenihan





                --- In bolger@y..., "weekender24" <weekender24@y...> wrote:
                > Does Clyde or anyone else have a copy of the "Puffer 40" article
                > posted where I could see it. Having just moved I am still missing
                my
                > back stack of MAIB...I know that they're in a box, but I don't know
                > which box or which room. Thanks for the help.
                >
                > Dave
                > --- In bolger@y..., "Clyde S. Wisner" <clydewis@c...> wrote:
                > > I really like the other half of that article, the "Puffer 40".
                > When my wife thought I was serious
                > > about sending $2000 to finish the plans, she became much more
                > interested in finding a place to retire
                > > on the Eastern Shore(MD), on land; and hence, my house project.
                > Clyde
                > >
                > > David Ryan wrote:
                > >
                > > > Quoting from the article:
                > > >
                > > > "It has to resemble a real boat! You can not risk looking like a
                > > > squatter, notwithstanding the fact
                > > > that you actually are sort of. Thus, no shantyboats, pretty
                > Belinda
                > > > hideaway, and other provocations to nautical sensitivities."
                > > >
                > > > I think this rules out the "Loose Moose II"
                > > >
                > > > What I like about the Illinois is that in exchange for forgoing
                a
                > > > "real sea boat" you get something that looks like a real boat!
                > > > Aesthetics are a consideration in any good design. I enjoy
                > the "Loose
                > > > Moose II" solution, but the "Illinois" actually comes closer to
                > > > answering the question I find myself asking.
                > > >
                > > > Last night my wife and I were speculating on the super-folding
                > > > schooner as a starting point for our "Dream Bolger Boat" Big
                for
                > > > bigness sake (not to mention the room!) A tamer schooner rig
                for
                > both
                > > > the romance and true handiness (after 15 months of schooner
                > sailing,
                > > > I'll say they have much to recommend them over sloops!) and an
                > honest
                > > > respect of being a inshore/near shore boat.
                > > >
                > > > I'm tempted to write a letter!
                > > >
                > > > YIBB,
                > > >
                > > > David
                > > >
                > > > >Maybe the AS39 aka "Loose Moose" in BWOM book. Several have
                been
                > > > >built and very spacious.
                > > > >
                > > > >Jeff
                > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > > > From: David Ryan
                > > > > To: bolger@y...
                > > > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 12:18 PM
                > > > > Subject: Re: [bolger] Wyoming or Illinois?
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > This was a delightful essay to read, especially for small
                > businessmen
                > > > > kicked once and kicked again by recent events and dreaming
                of
                > a life
                > > > > of more appealing obligations. Sooner or later we learn the
                > meaning
                > > > > of "be careful what you wish for" and I suppose building
                and
                > living
                > > > > about "Illinois" would merely give me the opportunity to
                > learn it
                > > > > again.
                > > > >
                > > > > At any rate, does anyone know if PCB has every drawn a
                > sailboat with
                > > > > more or less the same idea -- i.e. a god-awful huge boat,
                > easy to
                > > > > look at and easy to build?
                > > > >
                > > > > YIBB,
                > > > >
                > > > > David
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > >I, too, spend time dreaming about which Bolger boat
                > > > > >I want to build!
                > > > > >
                > > > > >I keep coming back to their design #630, Illinois;
                > > > > >which I view as a pure act of genius.
                > > > > >
                > > > > >http://www.hallman.org/bolger/Illinois.htm
                > > > > >
                > > > > >This boat serves all the same needs of Wyoming, but with
                the
                > > > > >increased size, especially the "top deck" it seems to be
                > > > > >twice the boat at only 50% increase in cost.
                > > > > >
                > > > > >Estimating the time to build, 450 sheets of ply
                > > > > >at 4 hours per each would come to 1800 hours =
                > > > > >fortyfive 40hr weeks. Cost 450 sheets @ $50/sheet =
                > > > > >$22,500, round up to $40K.
                > > > > >
                > > > > >Equivalant in living space to a studio apartment which
                > > > > >around San Francisco costs $1,500/month. Not counting the
                > > > > >value of your time, a two year payback period. No bad!
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
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