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  • brucehallman
    I, too, spend time dreaming about which Bolger boat I want to build! I keep coming back to their design #630, Illinois; which I view as a pure act of genius.
    Message 1 of 20 , Dec 31, 2001
      I, too, spend time dreaming about which Bolger boat
      I want to build!

      I keep coming back to their design #630, Illinois;
      which I view as a pure act of genius.

      http://www.hallman.org/bolger/Illinois.htm

      This boat serves all the same needs of Wyoming, but with the
      increased size, especially the "top deck" it seems to be
      twice the boat at only 50% increase in cost.

      Estimating the time to build, 450 sheets of ply
      at 4 hours per each would come to 1800 hours =
      fortyfive 40hr weeks. Cost 450 sheets @ $50/sheet =
      $22,500, round up to $40K.

      Equivalant in living space to a studio apartment which
      around San Francisco costs $1,500/month. Not counting the
      value of your time, a two year payback period. No bad!
    • David Ryan
      This was a delightful essay to read, especially for small businessmen kicked once and kicked again by recent events and dreaming of a life of more appealing
      Message 2 of 20 , Dec 31, 2001
        This was a delightful essay to read, especially for small businessmen
        kicked once and kicked again by recent events and dreaming of a life
        of more appealing obligations. Sooner or later we learn the meaning
        of "be careful what you wish for" and I suppose building and living
        about "Illinois" would merely give me the opportunity to learn it
        again.

        At any rate, does anyone know if PCB has every drawn a sailboat with
        more or less the same idea -- i.e. a god-awful huge boat, easy to
        look at and easy to build?

        YIBB,

        David






        >I, too, spend time dreaming about which Bolger boat
        >I want to build!
        >
        >I keep coming back to their design #630, Illinois;
        >which I view as a pure act of genius.
        >
        >http://www.hallman.org/bolger/Illinois.htm
        >
        >This boat serves all the same needs of Wyoming, but with the
        >increased size, especially the "top deck" it seems to be
        >twice the boat at only 50% increase in cost.
        >
        >Estimating the time to build, 450 sheets of ply
        >at 4 hours per each would come to 1800 hours =
        >fortyfive 40hr weeks. Cost 450 sheets @ $50/sheet =
        >$22,500, round up to $40K.
        >
        >Equivalant in living space to a studio apartment which
        >around San Francisco costs $1,500/month. Not counting the
        >value of your time, a two year payback period. No bad!
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >Bolger rules!!!
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        >MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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      • Jeff Blunck
        Maybe the AS39 aka Loose Moose in BWOM book. Several have been built and very spacious. Jeff ... From: David Ryan To: bolger@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday,
        Message 3 of 20 , Dec 31, 2001
          Maybe the AS39 aka "Loose Moose" in BWOM book. Several have been built and very spacious.

          Jeff
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: David Ryan
          To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 12:18 PM
          Subject: Re: [bolger] Wyoming or Illinois?


          This was a delightful essay to read, especially for small businessmen
          kicked once and kicked again by recent events and dreaming of a life
          of more appealing obligations. Sooner or later we learn the meaning
          of "be careful what you wish for" and I suppose building and living
          about "Illinois" would merely give me the opportunity to learn it
          again.

          At any rate, does anyone know if PCB has every drawn a sailboat with
          more or less the same idea -- i.e. a god-awful huge boat, easy to
          look at and easy to build?

          YIBB,

          David






          >I, too, spend time dreaming about which Bolger boat
          >I want to build!
          >
          >I keep coming back to their design #630, Illinois;
          >which I view as a pure act of genius.
          >
          >http://www.hallman.org/bolger/Illinois.htm
          >
          >This boat serves all the same needs of Wyoming, but with the
          >increased size, especially the "top deck" it seems to be
          >twice the boat at only 50% increase in cost.
          >
          >Estimating the time to build, 450 sheets of ply
          >at 4 hours per each would come to 1800 hours =
          >fortyfive 40hr weeks. Cost 450 sheets @ $50/sheet =
          >$22,500, round up to $40K.
          >
          >Equivalant in living space to a studio apartment which
          >around San Francisco costs $1,500/month. Not counting the
          >value of your time, a two year payback period. No bad!
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >Bolger rules!!!
          >- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
          >- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
          >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
          >- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
          >MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
          >- Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
          >
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        • David Ryan
          Quoting from the article: It has to resemble a real boat! You can not risk looking like a squatter, notwithstanding the fact that you actually are sort of.
          Message 4 of 20 , Dec 31, 2001
            Quoting from the article:

            "It has to resemble a real boat! You can not risk looking like a
            squatter, notwithstanding the fact
            that you actually are sort of. Thus, no shantyboats, pretty Belinda
            hideaway, and other provocations to nautical sensitivities."

            I think this rules out the "Loose Moose II"

            What I like about the Illinois is that in exchange for forgoing a
            "real sea boat" you get something that looks like a real boat!
            Aesthetics are a consideration in any good design. I enjoy the "Loose
            Moose II" solution, but the "Illinois" actually comes closer to
            answering the question I find myself asking.

            Last night my wife and I were speculating on the super-folding
            schooner as a starting point for our "Dream Bolger Boat" Big for
            bigness sake (not to mention the room!) A tamer schooner rig for both
            the romance and true handiness (after 15 months of schooner sailing,
            I'll say they have much to recommend them over sloops!) and an honest
            respect of being a inshore/near shore boat.

            I'm tempted to write a letter!

            YIBB,

            David


            >Maybe the AS39 aka "Loose Moose" in BWOM book. Several have been
            >built and very spacious.
            >
            >Jeff
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: David Ryan
            > To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
            > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 12:18 PM
            > Subject: Re: [bolger] Wyoming or Illinois?
            >
            >
            > This was a delightful essay to read, especially for small businessmen
            > kicked once and kicked again by recent events and dreaming of a life
            > of more appealing obligations. Sooner or later we learn the meaning
            > of "be careful what you wish for" and I suppose building and living
            > about "Illinois" would merely give me the opportunity to learn it
            > again.
            >
            > At any rate, does anyone know if PCB has every drawn a sailboat with
            > more or less the same idea -- i.e. a god-awful huge boat, easy to
            > look at and easy to build?
            >
            > YIBB,
            >
            > David
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > >I, too, spend time dreaming about which Bolger boat
            > >I want to build!
            > >
            > >I keep coming back to their design #630, Illinois;
            > >which I view as a pure act of genius.
            > >
            > >http://www.hallman.org/bolger/Illinois.htm
            > >
            > >This boat serves all the same needs of Wyoming, but with the
            > >increased size, especially the "top deck" it seems to be
            > >twice the boat at only 50% increase in cost.
            > >
            > >Estimating the time to build, 450 sheets of ply
            > >at 4 hours per each would come to 1800 hours =
            > >fortyfive 40hr weeks. Cost 450 sheets @ $50/sheet =
            > >$22,500, round up to $40K.
            > >
            > >Equivalant in living space to a studio apartment which
            > >around San Francisco costs $1,500/month. Not counting the
            > >value of your time, a two year payback period. No bad!
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >Bolger rules!!!
            > >- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
            > >- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
            > >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
            > >- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
            > >MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
            > >- Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
            > >
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            >
            >
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            >
            >Bolger rules!!!
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            >- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
            >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
            >- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
            >MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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          • pvanderwaart
            The easy to look at clause is the really hard one. Remember too that these long thin powerboats may not look quite as you expect because the houses are build
            Message 5 of 20 , Dec 31, 2001
              The "easy to look at" clause is the really hard one. Remember too
              that these long thin powerboats may not look quite as you expect
              because the houses are build out to the sides, which is not apparent
              from the profile drawings.

              Aside from the Loose Moose, and the Breakdown Schooner (which I know
              you have considered and rejected largely for appearance), there are a
              couple others. I don't have a picture at hand of the big Keel Sharpie
              but I think it resembles the Moose. The Solution 48 looks different,
              but somewhat industrial, I expect. The Scow Schooner was styled by
              the artist-client and would have room per dollar, but I don't think
              the hull form is just the thing for Rhode Island Sound.

              Have you pondered the various forms of the Double Eagle catamaran?
              Someone said the AS-29 wasn't hard but it was intricate. That would
              go triple for Double Eagle, I suspect.

              I doubt that anyone with the gumption to build one of these big boats
              needs to limit himself to ply planking. If you open the door to strip
              you have a lot of additional possibilities, such as Volunteer.

              Peter
            • Harry W. James
              My friend Ramon Gandia is building a 50 plus sharpie with box keel in Nome out of Aluminum by Bolger. The sail is a Chinese Gaffer rig. He has been at a
              Message 6 of 20 , Dec 31, 2001
                My friend Ramon Gandia is building a 50' plus sharpie with box keel in
                Nome out of Aluminum by Bolger. The sail is a Chinese Gaffer rig. He has
                been at a standstill on construction for a number of years due to
                business, financial and now marital problems. He has done good work so
                far, especially considering that Nome is not the ideal building spot.

                The boat is huge!! I have some photo's kicking around and will attempt
                to get them scanned this week. It may not happen right away, as I have a
                lot to do in my real job which is where the scanner is. I may walk them
                down to Fritz and talk him into scanning them if I can find them.

                Hj

                Jeff Blunck wrote:
                >
                > Maybe the AS39 aka "Loose Moose" in BWOM book. Several have been built and very spacious.
                >
                > Jeff
                >
                > This was a delightful essay to read, especially for small businessmen
                > kicked once and kicked again by recent events and dreaming of a life
                > of more appealing obligations. Sooner or later we learn the meaning
                > of "be careful what you wish for" and I suppose building and living
                > about "Illinois" would merely give me the opportunity to learn it
                > again.
                >
                > At any rate, does anyone know if PCB has every drawn a sailboat with
                > more or less the same idea -- i.e. a god-awful huge boat, easy to
                > look at and easy to build?
                >
                > YIBB,
                >
                > David
                >
                >
              • David Ryan
                Is this the legendary Keel Sharpie 55? I saw the drawing and the write up for it a year ago or so. Quite a project indeed!, I d love to see the photos! I m not
                Message 7 of 20 , Dec 31, 2001
                  Is this the legendary Keel Sharpie 55?

                  I saw the drawing and the write up for it a year ago or so. Quite a
                  project indeed!, I'd love to see the photos! I'm not sure the 55
                  meets the "easy to look at" criteria, but as I recall, the occasional
                  ocean passage was a part of the design spec.




                  >My friend Ramon Gandia is building a 50' plus sharpie with box keel in
                  >Nome out of Aluminum by Bolger. The sail is a Chinese Gaffer rig. He has
                  >been at a standstill on construction for a number of years due to
                  >business, financial and now marital problems. He has done good work so
                  >far, especially considering that Nome is not the ideal building spot.
                  >
                  >The boat is huge!! I have some photo's kicking around and will attempt
                  >to get them scanned this week. It may not happen right away, as I have a
                  >lot to do in my real job which is where the scanner is. I may walk them
                  >down to Fritz and talk him into scanning them if I can find them.
                  >
                  >Hj
                  >
                  >Jeff Blunck wrote:
                  >>
                  >> Maybe the AS39 aka "Loose Moose" in BWOM book. Several have been
                  >>built and very spacious.
                  >>
                  >> Jeff
                  >>
                  >> This was a delightful essay to read, especially for small businessmen
                  >> kicked once and kicked again by recent events and dreaming of a life
                  >> of more appealing obligations. Sooner or later we learn the meaning
                  >> of "be careful what you wish for" and I suppose building and living
                  >> about "Illinois" would merely give me the opportunity to learn it
                  >> again.
                  >>
                  >> At any rate, does anyone know if PCB has every drawn a sailboat with
                  >> more or less the same idea -- i.e. a god-awful huge boat, easy to
                  >> look at and easy to build?
                  >>
                  >> YIBB,
                  >>
                  >> David
                  >>
                  >>
                  >
                  >
                  >Bolger rules!!!
                  >- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
                  >- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
                  >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
                  >- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
                  >MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
                  >- Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
                  >
                  >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/


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                • David Ryan
                  I think the scow schooner is a beautiful boat. I do agree with you, I don t think I d want to beat back from Block Island in it. However, I ve been wondering
                  Message 8 of 20 , Dec 31, 2001
                    I think the scow schooner is a beautiful boat. I do agree with you, I
                    don't think I'd want to beat back from Block Island in it. However,
                    I've been wondering if a larger version of the same idea would be
                    just the thing for few weeks on Gardener's Bay, or between the forks!

                    YIBB,

                    David


                    >The "easy to look at" clause is the really hard one. Remember too
                    >that these long thin powerboats may not look quite as you expect
                    >because the houses are build out to the sides, which is not apparent
                    >from the profile drawings.
                    >
                    >Aside from the Loose Moose, and the Breakdown Schooner (which I know
                    >you have considered and rejected largely for appearance), there are a
                    >couple others. I don't have a picture at hand of the big Keel Sharpie
                    >but I think it resembles the Moose. The Solution 48 looks different,
                    >but somewhat industrial, I expect. The Scow Schooner was styled by
                    >the artist-client and would have room per dollar, but I don't think
                    >the hull form is just the thing for Rhode Island Sound.
                    >
                    >Have you pondered the various forms of the Double Eagle catamaran?
                    >Someone said the AS-29 wasn't hard but it was intricate. That would
                    >go triple for Double Eagle, I suspect.
                    >
                    >I doubt that anyone with the gumption to build one of these big boats
                    >needs to limit himself to ply planking. If you open the door to strip
                    >you have a lot of additional possibilities, such as Volunteer.
                    >
                    >Peter
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >Bolger rules!!!
                    >- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
                    >- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
                    >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
                    >- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
                    >MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
                    >- Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
                    >
                    >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/


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                  • pvanderwaart
                    I decided to spent a few minutes while waiting for the New Year looking through my incomplete and unorganized stacks of old issues of MAIB to see if there were
                    Message 9 of 20 , Dec 31, 2001
                      I decided to spent a few minutes while waiting for the New Year
                      looking through my incomplete and unorganized stacks of old issues of
                      MAIB to see if there were any other Bolger designs that fit the brief
                      which I take loosely to be: sailboat or motor sailor with walking
                      around room, simple construction and easy to look at.

                      And the results are:

                      Honorable mention to: B-31 trimaran Scjorpioen, and the leeboard
                      cruiser Arava. Not really big enough.

                      Third Place to: the 12.8m Aluminium Lugger. The design is good, but
                      the construction is not really what we are looking for.

                      Second Place to: 45' steel auxillary sailing narrowboat Weston
                      Martyr. A big boat at 17,000lbs. Steel is not plywood, but the shape
                      is boxy.

                      And the winner is: 49'6" Gulf of Mexico Cruiser Concept. A v-bottom
                      meant for double planking, it can probably be adapted for Reuel
                      Parker's new cold molding, i.e. double planing with plywood.

                      I turned up the 55' keel sharpie, and she is indeed similar in
                      appearance to the Loose Moose.

                      Overall, I think the best bet is the live-on-board scow schooner.
                      She's double chine rather than a pure box, and certainly roomy. I
                      would be interested in PCB's opinion of whether she should try to
                      beat out of Buzzard's Bay against a smokey sou'wester.

                      Peter
                    • Harry W. James
                      What issue is the keel sharpie in? HJ
                      Message 10 of 20 , Dec 31, 2001
                        What issue is the keel sharpie in?

                        HJ

                        pvanderwaart wrote:
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > And the winner is: 49'6" Gulf of Mexico Cruiser Concept. A v-bottom
                        > meant for double planking, it can probably be adapted for Reuel
                        > Parker's new cold molding, i.e. double planing with plywood.
                        >
                        > I turned up the 55' keel sharpie, and she is indeed similar in
                        > appearance to the Loose Moose.
                        >
                        >
                      • weekender24
                        I don t remember the name but believe that MAIB had Illinois coupled with another Bolger boat, one with approximately the same accomodations and advantages,
                        Message 11 of 20 , Dec 31, 2001
                          I don't remember the name but believe that MAIB had Illinois coupled
                          with another Bolger boat, one with approximately the same
                          accomodations and advantages, but one that was shorter and wider.
                          Would anyone happen to have the particulars on the companion boat?
                          If so, could they post a link to it?

                          Thanks...

                          --- In bolger@y..., "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
                          > I, too, spend time dreaming about which Bolger boat
                          > I want to build!
                          >
                          > I keep coming back to their design #630, Illinois;
                          > which I view as a pure act of genius.
                          >
                          > http://www.hallman.org/bolger/Illinois.htm
                          >
                          > This boat serves all the same needs of Wyoming, but with the
                          > increased size, especially the "top deck" it seems to be
                          > twice the boat at only 50% increase in cost.
                          >
                          > Estimating the time to build, 450 sheets of ply
                          > at 4 hours per each would come to 1800 hours =
                          > fortyfive 40hr weeks. Cost 450 sheets @ $50/sheet =
                          > $22,500, round up to $40K.
                          >
                          > Equivalant in living space to a studio apartment which
                          > around San Francisco costs $1,500/month. Not counting the
                          > value of your time, a two year payback period. No bad!
                        • pvanderwaart
                          ... Volume 16, #6, aka August 1, 1998
                          Message 12 of 20 , Dec 31, 2001
                            > What issue is the keel sharpie in?

                            Volume 16, #6, aka August 1, 1998
                          • Harry W. James
                            Found the photo s, Fritz won t have his scanner hooked back up till tomorrow. It is not the 55 sharpie, it has the most radical use of the box keel on any of
                            Message 13 of 20 , Dec 31, 2001
                              Found the photo's, Fritz won't have his scanner hooked back up till
                              tomorrow. It is not the 55' sharpie, it has the most radical use of the
                              box keel on any of his sailboats that I have seen. It is flushed decked
                              with a steering box/ pilothouse, and has a rather nice sheer.
                              Unfortunately the photo's don't show the sheer well, when I took them a
                              few springs ago, I was more interested in the bow.

                              More anon.

                              HJ

                              David Ryan wrote:
                              >
                              > Is this the legendary Keel Sharpie 55?
                              >
                              > I saw the drawing and the write up for it a year ago or so. Quite a
                              > project indeed!, I'd love to see the photos! I'm not sure the 55
                              > meets the "easy to look at" criteria, but as I recall, the occasional
                              > ocean passage was a part of the design spec.
                              >
                              > >My friend Ramon Gandia is building a 50' plus sharpie with box keel in
                              > >Nome out of Aluminum by Bolger. The sail is a Chinese Gaffer rig. He has
                              > >been at a standstill on construction for a number of years due to
                              > >business, financial and now marital problems. He has done good work so
                              > >far, especially considering that Nome is not the ideal building spot.
                              > >
                              > >The boat is huge!! I have some photo's kicking around and will attempt
                              > >to get them scanned this week. It may not happen right away, as I have a
                              > >lot to do in my real job which is where the scanner is. I may walk them
                              > >down to Fritz and talk him into scanning them if I can find them.
                              > >
                              > >Hj
                              > >
                              >
                            • thomas dalzell
                              Peter, could you kindly beam up the design for Schorpion, I have heard of her, and asked this group before if anyone had lines they could share. If you are in
                              Message 14 of 20 , Dec 31, 2001
                                Peter,

                                could you kindly beam up the design for Schorpion, I
                                have heard of her, and asked this group before if
                                anyone had lines they could share.

                                If you are in a generous mood, Arava sounds
                                interesting also.

                                Happy New year all!



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                              • pvanderwaart
                                ... If you paid for the aggrevation my scanner gave me trying to get the scan of Schorpioen, I d be rich. Anyway, look here:
                                Message 15 of 20 , Jan 1, 2002
                                  > could you kindly beam up the design for Schorpion.

                                  If you paid for the aggrevation my scanner gave me trying to get the
                                  scan of Schorpioen, I'd be rich. Anyway, look here:

                                  http://www.geocities.com/pvanderwaart/BolgerBoats.html

                                  I really like Arava, the hull and the interior. I could do without
                                  the unusual rig, the side-facing companionway ladder, and the
                                  apparent trouble with stability. For a new rig, we could go with a
                                  cutter rig much like the rig shown, or perhaps a cat-yawl like the AS-
                                  29. Or a more regular schooner, but we want to minimize weight aloft.

                                  I don't have much comment on Schorpioen. Somewhat outre for my tastes.

                                  Peter
                                • thomas dalzell
                                  Thanks Peter, Kind of a Single Eagle with traning wheels as regards Schorpion, wonder how she sails throught he wind, that is a lot of superstructure.
                                  Message 16 of 20 , Jan 1, 2002
                                    Thanks Peter,

                                    Kind of a Single Eagle with traning wheels as regards
                                    Schorpion, wonder how she sails throught he wind, that
                                    is a lot of superstructure.

                                    Computers can be tricky. Sometimes the simplest thing
                                    can take longer than... building a Wyoming. Anyway
                                    thanks on my account.

                                    Thomas


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                                    > could you kindly beam up the design for
                                    Schorpion.<BR>
                                    <BR>
                                    If you paid for the aggrevation my scanner gave me
                                    trying to get the <BR>
                                    scan of Schorpioen, I'd be rich. Anyway, look
                                    here:<BR>
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                                    I really like Arava, the hull and the interior. I
                                    could do without <BR>
                                    the unusual rig, the side-facing companionway ladder,
                                    and the <BR>
                                    apparent trouble with stability. For a new rig, we
                                    could go with a <BR>
                                    cutter rig much like the rig shown, or perhaps a
                                    cat-yawl like the AS-<BR>
                                    29. Or a more regular schooner, but we want to
                                    minimize weight aloft.<BR>
                                    <BR>
                                    I don't have much comment on Schorpioen. Somewhat
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                                  • Clyde S. Wisner
                                    I really like the other half of that article, the Puffer 40 . When my wife thought I was serious about sending $2000 to finish the plans, she became much
                                    Message 17 of 20 , Jan 2, 2002
                                      I really like the other half of that article, the "Puffer 40". When my wife thought I was serious
                                      about sending $2000 to finish the plans, she became much more interested in finding a place to retire
                                      on the Eastern Shore(MD), on land; and hence, my house project. Clyde

                                      David Ryan wrote:

                                      > Quoting from the article:
                                      >
                                      > "It has to resemble a real boat! You can not risk looking like a
                                      > squatter, notwithstanding the fact
                                      > that you actually are sort of. Thus, no shantyboats, pretty Belinda
                                      > hideaway, and other provocations to nautical sensitivities."
                                      >
                                      > I think this rules out the "Loose Moose II"
                                      >
                                      > What I like about the Illinois is that in exchange for forgoing a
                                      > "real sea boat" you get something that looks like a real boat!
                                      > Aesthetics are a consideration in any good design. I enjoy the "Loose
                                      > Moose II" solution, but the "Illinois" actually comes closer to
                                      > answering the question I find myself asking.
                                      >
                                      > Last night my wife and I were speculating on the super-folding
                                      > schooner as a starting point for our "Dream Bolger Boat" Big for
                                      > bigness sake (not to mention the room!) A tamer schooner rig for both
                                      > the romance and true handiness (after 15 months of schooner sailing,
                                      > I'll say they have much to recommend them over sloops!) and an honest
                                      > respect of being a inshore/near shore boat.
                                      >
                                      > I'm tempted to write a letter!
                                      >
                                      > YIBB,
                                      >
                                      > David
                                      >
                                      > >Maybe the AS39 aka "Loose Moose" in BWOM book. Several have been
                                      > >built and very spacious.
                                      > >
                                      > >Jeff
                                      > > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > > From: David Ryan
                                      > > To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 12:18 PM
                                      > > Subject: Re: [bolger] Wyoming or Illinois?
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > This was a delightful essay to read, especially for small businessmen
                                      > > kicked once and kicked again by recent events and dreaming of a life
                                      > > of more appealing obligations. Sooner or later we learn the meaning
                                      > > of "be careful what you wish for" and I suppose building and living
                                      > > about "Illinois" would merely give me the opportunity to learn it
                                      > > again.
                                      > >
                                      > > At any rate, does anyone know if PCB has every drawn a sailboat with
                                      > > more or less the same idea -- i.e. a god-awful huge boat, easy to
                                      > > look at and easy to build?
                                      > >
                                      > > YIBB,
                                      > >
                                      > > David
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > >I, too, spend time dreaming about which Bolger boat
                                      > > >I want to build!
                                      > > >
                                      > > >I keep coming back to their design #630, Illinois;
                                      > > >which I view as a pure act of genius.
                                      > > >
                                      > > >http://www.hallman.org/bolger/Illinois.htm
                                      > > >
                                      > > >This boat serves all the same needs of Wyoming, but with the
                                      > > >increased size, especially the "top deck" it seems to be
                                      > > >twice the boat at only 50% increase in cost.
                                      > > >
                                      > > >Estimating the time to build, 450 sheets of ply
                                      > > >at 4 hours per each would come to 1800 hours =
                                      > > >fortyfive 40hr weeks. Cost 450 sheets @ $50/sheet =
                                      > > >$22,500, round up to $40K.
                                      > > >
                                      > > >Equivalant in living space to a studio apartment which
                                      > > >around San Francisco costs $1,500/month. Not counting the
                                      > > >value of your time, a two year payback period. No bad!
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >Bolger rules!!!
                                      > > >- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
                                      > > >- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
                                      > > >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
                                      > > >- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
                                      > > >MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
                                      > > >- Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > >
                                      > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
                                      > >
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                                      > > Bolger rules!!!
                                      > > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
                                      > > - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
                                      > > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
                                      > > - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
                                      > >MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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                                      > >
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                                      > >Bolger rules!!!
                                      > >- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
                                      > >- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
                                      > >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
                                      > >- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
                                      > >MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
                                      > >- Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Bolger rules!!!
                                      > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
                                      > - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
                                      > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
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                                    • Geren W. Mortensen, Jr.
                                      Clyde, Berlin, MD, is a nice little town to retire to. My parents just finished building a house there, and there are at least three developments in
                                      Message 18 of 20 , Jan 2, 2002
                                        Clyde,

                                        Berlin, MD, is a nice little town to retire to. My parents just finished
                                        building a house there, and there are at least three developments in
                                        development (Henry's Mill and Henry's Green come to mind right off -
                                        contact Bunting Realty for details). At any rate, I can highly recommend
                                        Piney Island Builders of Berlin. They have nice designs, can do custom
                                        designs, and the workmanship is very good.

                                        One really nice thing about being on the shore is it puts you in closer
                                        proximity to the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum.

                                        Good luck!

                                        At 1/2/02 08:54 AM, you wrote:
                                        >I really like the other half of that article, the "Puffer 40". When my
                                        >wife thought I was serious
                                        >about sending $2000 to finish the plans, she became much more interested
                                        >in finding a place to retire
                                        >on the Eastern Shore(MD), on land; and hence, my house project. Clyde
                                        >
                                        >David Ryan wrote:
                                        >
                                        > > Quoting from the article:
                                        > >
                                        > > "It has to resemble a real boat! You can not risk looking like a
                                        > > squatter, notwithstanding the fact
                                        > > that you actually are sort of. Thus, no shantyboats, pretty Belinda
                                        > > hideaway, and other provocations to nautical sensitivities."
                                        > >
                                        > > I think this rules out the "Loose Moose II"
                                        > >
                                        > > What I like about the Illinois is that in exchange for forgoing a
                                        > > "real sea boat" you get something that looks like a real boat!
                                        > > Aesthetics are a consideration in any good design. I enjoy the "Loose
                                        > > Moose II" solution, but the "Illinois" actually comes closer to
                                        > > answering the question I find myself asking.
                                        > >
                                        > > Last night my wife and I were speculating on the super-folding
                                        > > schooner as a starting point for our "Dream Bolger Boat" Big for
                                        > > bigness sake (not to mention the room!) A tamer schooner rig for both
                                        > > the romance and true handiness (after 15 months of schooner sailing,
                                        > > I'll say they have much to recommend them over sloops!) and an honest
                                        > > respect of being a inshore/near shore boat.
                                        > >
                                        > > I'm tempted to write a letter!
                                        > >
                                        > > YIBB,
                                        > >
                                        > > David
                                        > >
                                        > > >Maybe the AS39 aka "Loose Moose" in BWOM book. Several have been
                                        > > >built and very spacious.
                                        > > >
                                        > > >Jeff
                                        > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                        > > > From: David Ryan
                                        > > > To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 12:18 PM
                                        > > > Subject: Re: [bolger] Wyoming or Illinois?
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > This was a delightful essay to read, especially for small businessmen
                                        > > > kicked once and kicked again by recent events and dreaming of a life
                                        > > > of more appealing obligations. Sooner or later we learn the meaning
                                        > > > of "be careful what you wish for" and I suppose building and living
                                        > > > about "Illinois" would merely give me the opportunity to learn it
                                        > > > again.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > At any rate, does anyone know if PCB has every drawn a sailboat with
                                        > > > more or less the same idea -- i.e. a god-awful huge boat, easy to
                                        > > > look at and easy to build?
                                        > > >
                                        > > > YIBB,
                                        > > >
                                        > > > David
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > >I, too, spend time dreaming about which Bolger boat
                                        > > > >I want to build!
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >I keep coming back to their design #630, Illinois;
                                        > > > >which I view as a pure act of genius.
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >http://www.hallman.org/bolger/Illinois.htm
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >This boat serves all the same needs of Wyoming, but with the
                                        > > > >increased size, especially the "top deck" it seems to be
                                        > > > >twice the boat at only 50% increase in cost.
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >Estimating the time to build, 450 sheets of ply
                                        > > > >at 4 hours per each would come to 1800 hours =
                                        > > > >fortyfive 40hr weeks. Cost 450 sheets @ $50/sheet =
                                        > > > >$22,500, round up to $40K.
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >Equivalant in living space to a studio apartment which
                                        > > > >around San Francisco costs $1,500/month. Not counting the
                                        > > > >value of your time, a two year payback period. No bad!
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >Bolger rules!!!
                                        > > > >- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
                                        > > > >- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
                                        > > > >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
                                        > > > >- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
                                        > > > >MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
                                        > > > >- Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
                                        > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > C.E.P.
                                        > > > 134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
                                        > > > New York, New York 10001
                                        > > > http://www.crumblingempire.com
                                        > > > (212) 247-0296
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
                                        > > > ADVERTISEMENT
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Bolger rules!!!
                                        > > > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
                                        > > > - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
                                        > > > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
                                        > > > - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
                                        > > >MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
                                        > > > - Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
                                        > > >
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                                        > > >
                                        > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >Bolger rules!!!
                                        > > >- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
                                        > > >- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
                                        > > >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
                                        > > >- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
                                        > > >MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
                                        > > >- Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > >
                                        > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
                                        > >
                                        > > C.E.P.
                                        > > 134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
                                        > > New York, New York 10001
                                        > > http://www.crumblingempire.com
                                        > > (212) 247-0296
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > Bolger rules!!!
                                        > > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
                                        > > - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
                                        > > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
                                        > > - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
                                        > 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
                                        > > - Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
                                        > >
                                        > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >Bolger rules!!!
                                        >- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
                                        >- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
                                        >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
                                        >- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
                                        >01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
                                        >- Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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                                      • weekender24
                                        Does Clyde or anyone else have a copy of the Puffer 40 article posted where I could see it. Having just moved I am still missing my back stack of MAIB...I
                                        Message 19 of 20 , Jan 2, 2002
                                          Does Clyde or anyone else have a copy of the "Puffer 40" article
                                          posted where I could see it. Having just moved I am still missing my
                                          back stack of MAIB...I know that they're in a box, but I don't know
                                          which box or which room. Thanks for the help.

                                          Dave
                                          --- In bolger@y..., "Clyde S. Wisner" <clydewis@c...> wrote:
                                          > I really like the other half of that article, the "Puffer 40".
                                          When my wife thought I was serious
                                          > about sending $2000 to finish the plans, she became much more
                                          interested in finding a place to retire
                                          > on the Eastern Shore(MD), on land; and hence, my house project.
                                          Clyde
                                          >
                                          > David Ryan wrote:
                                          >
                                          > > Quoting from the article:
                                          > >
                                          > > "It has to resemble a real boat! You can not risk looking like a
                                          > > squatter, notwithstanding the fact
                                          > > that you actually are sort of. Thus, no shantyboats, pretty
                                          Belinda
                                          > > hideaway, and other provocations to nautical sensitivities."
                                          > >
                                          > > I think this rules out the "Loose Moose II"
                                          > >
                                          > > What I like about the Illinois is that in exchange for forgoing a
                                          > > "real sea boat" you get something that looks like a real boat!
                                          > > Aesthetics are a consideration in any good design. I enjoy
                                          the "Loose
                                          > > Moose II" solution, but the "Illinois" actually comes closer to
                                          > > answering the question I find myself asking.
                                          > >
                                          > > Last night my wife and I were speculating on the super-folding
                                          > > schooner as a starting point for our "Dream Bolger Boat" Big for
                                          > > bigness sake (not to mention the room!) A tamer schooner rig for
                                          both
                                          > > the romance and true handiness (after 15 months of schooner
                                          sailing,
                                          > > I'll say they have much to recommend them over sloops!) and an
                                          honest
                                          > > respect of being a inshore/near shore boat.
                                          > >
                                          > > I'm tempted to write a letter!
                                          > >
                                          > > YIBB,
                                          > >
                                          > > David
                                          > >
                                          > > >Maybe the AS39 aka "Loose Moose" in BWOM book. Several have been
                                          > > >built and very spacious.
                                          > > >
                                          > > >Jeff
                                          > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > > > From: David Ryan
                                          > > > To: bolger@y...
                                          > > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 12:18 PM
                                          > > > Subject: Re: [bolger] Wyoming or Illinois?
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > > This was a delightful essay to read, especially for small
                                          businessmen
                                          > > > kicked once and kicked again by recent events and dreaming of
                                          a life
                                          > > > of more appealing obligations. Sooner or later we learn the
                                          meaning
                                          > > > of "be careful what you wish for" and I suppose building and
                                          living
                                          > > > about "Illinois" would merely give me the opportunity to
                                          learn it
                                          > > > again.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > At any rate, does anyone know if PCB has every drawn a
                                          sailboat with
                                          > > > more or less the same idea -- i.e. a god-awful huge boat,
                                          easy to
                                          > > > look at and easy to build?
                                          > > >
                                          > > > YIBB,
                                          > > >
                                          > > > David
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > > >I, too, spend time dreaming about which Bolger boat
                                          > > > >I want to build!
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >I keep coming back to their design #630, Illinois;
                                          > > > >which I view as a pure act of genius.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >http://www.hallman.org/bolger/Illinois.htm
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >This boat serves all the same needs of Wyoming, but with the
                                          > > > >increased size, especially the "top deck" it seems to be
                                          > > > >twice the boat at only 50% increase in cost.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >Estimating the time to build, 450 sheets of ply
                                          > > > >at 4 hours per each would come to 1800 hours =
                                          > > > >fortyfive 40hr weeks. Cost 450 sheets @ $50/sheet =
                                          > > > >$22,500, round up to $40K.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >Equivalant in living space to a studio apartment which
                                          > > > >around San Francisco costs $1,500/month. Not counting the
                                          > > > >value of your time, a two year payback period. No bad!
                                          > > > >
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                                        • ellengaestboatbuildingcom
                                          Dave, No text,just drawings for PUFFER if you look here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/BIG%20BOLGER%20BOATS/ Peter Lenihan ... my ... a ... for
                                          Message 20 of 20 , Jan 2, 2002
                                            Dave,
                                            No text,just drawings for PUFFER if you look here:
                                            http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/BIG%20BOLGER%20BOATS/
                                            Peter Lenihan





                                            --- In bolger@y..., "weekender24" <weekender24@y...> wrote:
                                            > Does Clyde or anyone else have a copy of the "Puffer 40" article
                                            > posted where I could see it. Having just moved I am still missing
                                            my
                                            > back stack of MAIB...I know that they're in a box, but I don't know
                                            > which box or which room. Thanks for the help.
                                            >
                                            > Dave
                                            > --- In bolger@y..., "Clyde S. Wisner" <clydewis@c...> wrote:
                                            > > I really like the other half of that article, the "Puffer 40".
                                            > When my wife thought I was serious
                                            > > about sending $2000 to finish the plans, she became much more
                                            > interested in finding a place to retire
                                            > > on the Eastern Shore(MD), on land; and hence, my house project.
                                            > Clyde
                                            > >
                                            > > David Ryan wrote:
                                            > >
                                            > > > Quoting from the article:
                                            > > >
                                            > > > "It has to resemble a real boat! You can not risk looking like a
                                            > > > squatter, notwithstanding the fact
                                            > > > that you actually are sort of. Thus, no shantyboats, pretty
                                            > Belinda
                                            > > > hideaway, and other provocations to nautical sensitivities."
                                            > > >
                                            > > > I think this rules out the "Loose Moose II"
                                            > > >
                                            > > > What I like about the Illinois is that in exchange for forgoing
                                            a
                                            > > > "real sea boat" you get something that looks like a real boat!
                                            > > > Aesthetics are a consideration in any good design. I enjoy
                                            > the "Loose
                                            > > > Moose II" solution, but the "Illinois" actually comes closer to
                                            > > > answering the question I find myself asking.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Last night my wife and I were speculating on the super-folding
                                            > > > schooner as a starting point for our "Dream Bolger Boat" Big
                                            for
                                            > > > bigness sake (not to mention the room!) A tamer schooner rig
                                            for
                                            > both
                                            > > > the romance and true handiness (after 15 months of schooner
                                            > sailing,
                                            > > > I'll say they have much to recommend them over sloops!) and an
                                            > honest
                                            > > > respect of being a inshore/near shore boat.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > I'm tempted to write a letter!
                                            > > >
                                            > > > YIBB,
                                            > > >
                                            > > > David
                                            > > >
                                            > > > >Maybe the AS39 aka "Loose Moose" in BWOM book. Several have
                                            been
                                            > > > >built and very spacious.
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >Jeff
                                            > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > > > > From: David Ryan
                                            > > > > To: bolger@y...
                                            > > > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 12:18 PM
                                            > > > > Subject: Re: [bolger] Wyoming or Illinois?
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > This was a delightful essay to read, especially for small
                                            > businessmen
                                            > > > > kicked once and kicked again by recent events and dreaming
                                            of
                                            > a life
                                            > > > > of more appealing obligations. Sooner or later we learn the
                                            > meaning
                                            > > > > of "be careful what you wish for" and I suppose building
                                            and
                                            > living
                                            > > > > about "Illinois" would merely give me the opportunity to
                                            > learn it
                                            > > > > again.
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > At any rate, does anyone know if PCB has every drawn a
                                            > sailboat with
                                            > > > > more or less the same idea -- i.e. a god-awful huge boat,
                                            > easy to
                                            > > > > look at and easy to build?
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > YIBB,
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > David
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > >I, too, spend time dreaming about which Bolger boat
                                            > > > > >I want to build!
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >I keep coming back to their design #630, Illinois;
                                            > > > > >which I view as a pure act of genius.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >http://www.hallman.org/bolger/Illinois.htm
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >This boat serves all the same needs of Wyoming, but with
                                            the
                                            > > > > >increased size, especially the "top deck" it seems to be
                                            > > > > >twice the boat at only 50% increase in cost.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >Estimating the time to build, 450 sheets of ply
                                            > > > > >at 4 hours per each would come to 1800 hours =
                                            > > > > >fortyfive 40hr weeks. Cost 450 sheets @ $50/sheet =
                                            > > > > >$22,500, round up to $40K.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >Equivalant in living space to a studio apartment which
                                            > > > > >around San Francisco costs $1,500/month. Not counting the
                                            > > > > >value of your time, a two year payback period. No bad!
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >Bolger rules!!!
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                                            dead
                                            > horses
                                            > > > > >- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and
                                            punctuate
                                            > > > > >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip
                                            all
                                            > you like
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                                            > > > >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all
                                            you
                                            > like
                                            > > > >- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
                                            > Gloucester,
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                                            horses
                                            > > > - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
                                            > > > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all
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