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  • Chris Crandall
    ... Chris Crandall crandall@ukans.edu (785) 864-4131 Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045 I have data convincingly
    Message 1 of 23 , Nov 2, 2001
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      On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, thomas dalzell wrote:

      > White oak is nice stuff, but won't your straw trick
      > yield the same result? It is ring pourous also. I
      > haven't used red oak in a boat either, but I suspect
      > that if you coat your sample in epoxy, let it harden,
      > and repeat your test, you will get a different result
      > ;o).
      >
      > If I lived out your way I would use a lot of that S
      > spruce and D fir.
      >
      >
      > --- pateson@... wrote:
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      > Good information all.<BR>
      > <BR>
      > General Information.<BR>
      > Avoid using "Red" Oak in boats.<BR>
      > It's cell structure is porous.<BR>
      > It Will absorb water.<BR>
      > <BR>
      > Try this at home.<BR>
      > Take a short piece of Red Oak.<BR>
      > Put one End in a bowl of water.<BR>
      > Blow on the other end.<BR>
      > Tiny bubbles.  Pretty cool, but Not what<BR>
      > I want on My boat.<BR>
      > <BR>
      > Wood vs Other.<BR>
      > <BR>
      > My preference would be wood, probably White Oak.<BR>
      > It is relativly cheap, quite strong, and
      > available.<BR>
      > I think wood just "Goes Better" with wooden
      > boats.<BR>
      > It can, and has for a long time, been used on
      > "Traditional<BR>
      > Boats".<BR>
      > I can live with the trade of "Bulk for
      > Strenght".<BR>
      > Wood is also less "Dammaging" to spars,
      > topside, and sails,<BR>
      > and heads,(mine, not the other kind) when it bangs
      > around.<BR>
      > Wood must be used "Properly". It takes more
      > attention.<BR>
      > One must pay attention to "Grain direction".
      > Metal's got none.<BR>
      > For Me, working with wood is easier that "Casting
      > Metal".<BR>
      > But, I make My living as a "Woodworker".<BR>
      > <BR>
      > If Metal is the choice, then why stop with
      > aluminum?<BR>
      > Wouldn't titanium or some other exotic metal be
      > "Stronger"?<BR>
      > Turn your new Golf Driver into a
      > "Block".<BR>
      > <BR>
      > "Plastics"<BR>
      > I wish I had listen to that guy in "The
      > Graduate".<BR>
      > Really are wonderful materials, used properly.<BR>
      > I use them, and like it. <BR>
      > <BR>
      > "I also use power tools." (There, I said
      > it.)<BR>
      > <BR>
      > Not an attempt at any "Argument", just a
      > preference.<BR>
      > <BR>
      > It is nice to know the pros and cons, and to be able
      > <BR>
      > to make informed choices.<BR>
      > <BR>
      > All you folks really Are a Wealth of experience and
      > knowlege.<BR>
      > I hope we save each other from making regretable
      > mistakes.<BR>
      > <BR>
      > Not many "Wooden Blocks" on America's Cup
      > Boats.<BR>
      > Come to think of it, not much "Wood". 
      > They're nice.<BR>
      > <BR>
      > We all do, and use, what we want in the end,
      > anyway.<BR>
      > <BR>
      > Boy, I wish I hadn't built that first boat with
      > the<BR>
      > "Free" Alder I found at that cabinet shop.
      > <BR>
      > Don't do That too.  Bad Idea!<BR>
      > (It Was such a "Nice" boat too.)<BR>
      > <BR>
      > Pat Patteson<BR>
      > Still learning.<BR>
      > Molalla, Oregon<BR>
      > <BR>
      > <BR>
      > <BR>
      > <BR>
      > <BR>
      > <BR>
      > --- In bolger@y..., richard@s... wrote:<BR>
      > > How thick are your hardwood shells?<BR>
      > > <BR>
      > > Red Oak:<BR>
      > > <a
      > href="http://www.matweb.com/SpecificMaterial.asp?">http://www.matweb.com/SpecificMaterial.asp?</a><BR>
      > bassnum=PTSAV&group=General<BR>
      > > shows a tensile strength of 798psi<BR>
      > > <BR>
      > > A common cast aluminum alloy:<BR>
      > > <a
      > href="http://www.matweb.com/SpecificMaterial.asp?">http://www.matweb.com/SpecificMaterial.asp?</a><BR>
      > > bassnum=MAC320&group=General<BR>
      > > tensile strength of 14,069psi<BR>
      > > <BR>
      > > So, you should be able to make the cheeks quite a
      > bit thinner if <BR>
      > made <BR>
      > > of al. Say, for a breaking strength of 2000 lb,
      > with a 4x safety <BR>
      > > margin, you would only need about 1/2" cross
      > sectional area on your <BR>
      > > aluminum cheaks, but would need a cross sectional
      > area of 10 sq <BR>
      > > inches out of red oak...<BR>
      > > <BR>
      > > My math probably screwed up, but good enough for
      > comparisons.<BR>
      > > <BR>
      > > --- In bolger@y..., jhkohnen@b... wrote:<BR>
      > > > Richard-<BR>
      > > > <BR>
      > > > Why aluminum bodies? I've got some strapless
      > wooden blocks on <BR>
      > > Pickle, and<BR>
      > > > while they're far from perfect in other
      > respects the hardwood <BR>
      > > shells handle<BR>
      > > > the strains of a small boat just fine with
      > no metal straps or <BR>
      > rope <BR>
      > > strops,<BR>
      > > > and it's much nicer to have chunks of wood
      > rattling around than <BR>
      > > lumps of<BR>
      > > > metal. Here's a crude sketch of what my
      > blocks look like, pretty <BR>
      > > simple<BR>
      > > > except for the mortising for the nubbins on
      > the becket. Frankly, <BR>
      > if <BR>
      > > I was<BR>
      > > > replacing them (and I may one of these days)
      > I'd lose the bronze <BR>
      > > becket and<BR>
      > > > make a solid wood shell and use a rope
      > strop. BTW, small scraps <BR>
      > of <BR>
      > > harwood<BR>
      > > > suitable for small boat block shells can
      > often be found for <BR>
      > peanuts <BR>
      > > at<BR>
      > > > hardwood dealers or cabinet shops.<BR>
      > > > <BR>
      > > > <a
      > href="http://www.boat-links.com/images/Block.gif">http://www.boat-links.com/images/Block.gif</a><BR>
      > > > <BR>
      > > > On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 22:35:52 -0000, Richard
      > Spelling wrote:<BR>
      > > > > I'm making my own, just got in the
      > delrin for the sheaves from <BR>
      > > > > McMaster-Carr. Will cast the bodies out
      > of aluminum, with <BR>
      > > stainless <BR>
      > > > > pins, and maybe attachemnt points.
      > Corrosion may eventual seize <BR>
      > > the <BR>
      > > > > stainless to the aluminum, but I don't
      > plan to ever take them <BR>
      > > appart, <BR>
      > > > > and the only moving part will be the
      > delrin sheave, which will <BR>
      > > turn <BR>
      > > > > on stainless pins.<BR>
      > > > > <BR>
      > > > > I plan on casting the bodies with sand
      > cores, so they are one <BR>
      > > solid <BR>
      > > > > piece, should be an interesting winter
      > project.<BR>
      > > > <BR>
      > > > -- <BR>
      > >
      > >                         
      > John <jkohnen@b...><BR>
      > >
      > >                          
      > <a
      > href="http://www.boat-links.com/">http://www.boat-links.com/</a><BR>
      > > >   I care not for a man's religion
      > whose dog or cat are not the <BR>
      > > better for it.<BR>
      > >
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      Chris Crandall crandall@... (785) 864-4131
      Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045
      I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.
    • pateson@colton.com
      White Oak has a closed cell structure. No tiny bubbles, boo, but no water in the wood either. That is one of the Major differences between the two. You could
      Message 2 of 23 , Nov 2, 2001
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        White Oak has a closed cell structure.
        No tiny bubbles, boo, but no water in the wood either.
        That is one of the Major differences between the two.

        You could "Coat" Red Oak with Epoxy, but would you
        have a "Wooden Block" or a "Red Oak Cored Epoxy Block"?

        The white oak is inherently water resistant, so if
        you were to get a Chip in the Epoxy, it would not
        absorb water the way Red Oak would.

        Doug Fir Is Great for boat building.
        Light, relatively water resistant, but not nearly
        as strong as White oak.
        Unfortunately, Vertical Grain Old Growth Doug Fir,
        is More Expensive today than Red or White Oak.

        The Reason for that is simple.
        Not to get too Political, but, part of the "Spotted Owl vs.
        Hard Working Loggers", argument, that gets left out,
        is that there just Aren't many 400 year old Douglas Fir Trees Left.
        Estimates are 2-10% of what once was.
        And fewer today than yesterday. Going, going, …..
        Weyerhouser, "Georgia" Pacific, "Louisiana" Pacific,
        Crown Z, and the Power Pole company that moved our
        family to Oregon when I was 3 in 1952, did not send
        all their People out to Oregon because it is a nice
        place to raise a family. It is, but they All came
        here because there were "Endless Forests" of 400+
        year old Douglas Fir Trees.
        Most of those companies came from where they had
        already cut most of the "Endless Forest" somewhere else.
        They came, they cut, they left, to find other "Endless Forests".
        They actually Moved entire Saw Mills, part by part,
        from Oregon, to South America and Siberia.
        The Pole Plant My Dad ran Closed in 1975.
        Way before the "Spotted Owl" thing, because Most
        of the 150 foot old growth poles were gone, even then,
        or, too expensive to exploit.
        Many of the Timber companies try to blame the
        "Spotted Owl" and "Environmentalist Tree huggers", for the
        demise of the "Timber Industry" in Oregon, and the loss of
        thousands of jobs.
        Sometimes, they call those who try to protect the few remaining
        Habitats, "Eco-terrorists". (That should "Sell" even better now.)
        There still are to be a few, mostly young, longhaired types,
        (like I was, when I had hair), that put their lives on
        the line to try to "Save" the few habitats left. They have
        been pretty much "Marginalized", and the cutting continues to
        this day, as the Corporations continue to cut the last of the last.
        It is their last ditch effort to cut the
        Few remaining Old Growth Douglas Fir trees.
        The Federal Government has, and continues to, lose millions of
        dollars every year in it's "Timber Sales" of the "last of the last"
        on "Federal Lands".
        "Federal" does Not mean "Protected". In fact it has actually always
        been the other way around. The Federal Government has always had,
        as it's number one objective, to "Get the Cut Out".
        The Fact of the matter is that The Timber Companies did their jobs
        very well.
        Nearly All the Big Trees are Gone. Many people that come to Oregon
        don't even notice. There are still Lots of Big Trees, but if you
        have never seen a "True Old Growth Forest", you literally don't know
        what is missing.
        The prices for the remaining Old Growth have skyrocketed,
        and, although not as high as it was a few years ago, still
        makes it very profitable for the Big companies to try
        to get Every Tree they can. Several Thousand dollars for a Single
        Tree, for some of the Really Big ones.
        Along with the Old Growth, much of the Habitat has also been
        destroyed.
        Western Oregon is truly a "Rain Forest", (I have ferns on my place
        that are Taller than I am) that once had as much biodiversity as
        any "Rainforest" in the World
        Most of that too, is gone.
        Much of the "Old Growth did not go into "Quality Construction",
        "Housing", or "Construction" of any kind.
        It was "Chipped" for Paper.
        Some of the timber companies have "Replanted" the
        areas, but those trees have proved to be not nearly
        the quality of the originals.
        They were developed to be fast growing, but many are disease
        prone, and Must be cut after as little as 50-60 years.
        The "Quality" of the lumber from a "Tree Farm" does not
        even come close to the 400 year old trees.
        Douglas fir "Marine Grade Plywood" has gone from "Very Good"
        to "Crap".

        It still takes 400 years to grow a 400-year-old Fir Tree.
        The genetics of the trees has also changed, and the New ones
        will not live that long.
        So, the only place there may be "Old Growth Habitat" again is
        where the little still remains.

        As much as "Big Timber" would have people believe,
        "Old Growth Douglas Fir Trees" are Not just "Another
        Crop like Corn". (And many of us know what has happened
        to even the corn crop).

        Sitka Spruce.
        Even worse. They Are Gone.
        Mostly during WW II. Many for Airplane Parts.

        Sorry for the "Rant". I think I pulled my own string.

        I am pretty close to it, but I can "See the forests for the trees".

        Pat Patteson
        Molalla, "Milltown" Oregon



        (Oh Boy! Did I miss anything, John?)
      • jhkohnen@boat-links.com
        _Somebody_ sure pulled your string Pat! A lot of the replanted fir trees never even make it to 50-60 years, if they can get a couple of 2x4s out of them
        Message 3 of 23 , Nov 3, 2001
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          _Somebody_ sure pulled your string Pat! <g>

          A lot of the replanted fir trees never even make it to 50-60 years, if they
          can get a couple of 2x4s out of them they cut 'em. :o( What do they call
          that when a corner of a board is rounded off because it's the outside of a
          tree? wain? Anyway, try finding a 2x4 in the #2 or better pile at the
          lumberyard without it. 100% of the "utility" 2x4s have that as one of the
          defects, usually two corners when they're in that pile.

          Some knowledgable folk think that some of the rain forests of the northwest
          are remnants of the last ice age that managed to survive only because they
          created their own cool, moist climate. Cut them down wholesale and they'll
          never be able to rejuvenate.

          Although there has been some enlightenment in recent years, for generations
          the only trees replanted were Douglas firs. Aside from the ill effects of
          monoculture plantations on the soil and habitat, it's also meant that
          useful woods like cedars are getting to be in short supply.

          Spruce? It was WW I when the army came in and mined all the good Sitka
          spruce in Oregon. Any reforestation was with Doug fir.

          Old growth Doug fir is a wondeful wood. It's really tragic how it's been
          squandered over the years. I've heard tell about prime fir being used for
          pallets in WW II. The story may be apocryphal, but it sounds likely given
          the way war can warp a country's mentality-- seems some procurement agent
          wanted to do his part for the war effort by providing the _very best_
          pallets he could, so he specified the highest grade of lumber for them,
          made him feel more patriotic no doubt... The there were all those wooden
          steamships and schooners built for WW I, and never used for the war effort
          or much of anything else. Most were abandoned or burned within a few years
          of the war's end.

          On Fri, 02 Nov 2001 22:43:58 -0000, Pat Pateson ranted:
          > ...
          > Unfortunately, Vertical Grain Old Growth Doug Fir,
          > is More Expensive today than Red or White Oak.
          >
          > The Reason for that is simple.
          > ...
          > Some of the timber companies have "Replanted" the
          > areas, but those trees have proved to be not nearly
          > the quality of the originals.
          > They were developed to be fast growing, but many are disease
          > prone, and Must be cut after as little as 50-60 years.
          > The "Quality" of the lumber from a "Tree Farm" does not
          > even come close to the 400 year old trees.
          > Douglas fir "Marine Grade Plywood" has gone from "Very Good"
          > to "Crap".
          > ...
          > Sitka Spruce.
          > Even worse. They Are Gone.
          > Mostly during WW II. Many for Airplane Parts.
          > ...
          > (Oh Boy! Did I miss anything, John?)

          --
          John <jkohnen@...>
          http://www.boat-links.com/
          One must have a heart of stone to read the death of Little Nell by
          Dickens without laughing. <Oscar Wilde>
        • thomas dalzell
          Speaking of WWII, think about all the wood that must have ended up in europe in the form of crating. Every heavy object, gun, bomb, etc... would have been
          Message 4 of 23 , Nov 4, 2001
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            Speaking of WWII, think about all the wood that must
            have ended up in europe in the form of crating. Every
            heavy object, gun, bomb, etc... would have been crated
            up and sent over there.

            Even today heavier pallets can have the runners made
            of Oak. A friend of mine scored tons of this stuff
            from an neighbouring industrial site early in his
            cabinet carreer, that was '85. In the forties I bet
            they cut that stuff down at the drop of a hat.

            After all, they pulp first growth trees to publish
            books. For that mater I was going through upper NY
            state last summer, and got into a discusion of local
            lumbering practices. Seems they cut the local maple
            forests on private land for income. Best Use: pulp,
            and fuel for electricity generation. This really
            slayed me, because the cost of maple lumber localy has
            soared higher than cherry and oak.


            "Old growth Doug fir is a wondeful wood. It's really
            tragic how it's been
            squandered over the years. I've heard tell about prime
            fir being used for
            pallets in WW II. The story may be apocryphal, but it
            sounds likely given
            the way war can warp a country's mentality-- seems
            some procurement agent
            wanted to do his part for the war effort by providing
            the _very best_
            pallets he could, so he specified the highest grade of
            lumber for them,
            made him feel more patriotic no doubt... The there
            were all those wooden
            steamships and schooners built for WW I, and never
            used for the war effort
            or much of anything else. Most were abandoned or
            burned within a few years
            of the war's end."

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          • Charles Wilson
            Luke, I would love to see that but the link does not work for me. Charles If you keep heading south you will eventually reach civilisation ... From:
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              Luke,

              I would love to see that but the link does not work for me.

              Charles


              If you keep heading south you will eventually reach civilisation
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: <lukecurran@...>
              To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 9:19 AM
              Subject: [bolger] Re: Block Parts?


              > If this link has been posted I've missed it;
              >
              >
              >
              > http://catalogue.com/bobpone/plywoodblocks.htm
              >
              >
              > Bolger rules!!!
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            • lukecurran@hotmail.com
              Sorry, I hope I get it right this time! http://catalog.com/bobpone/plywoodblocks.htm ... like ... Gloucester, MA, ... http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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                Sorry, I hope I get it right this time!


                http://catalog.com/bobpone/plywoodblocks.htm


                --- In bolger@y..., "Charles Wilson" <wilson.c@b...> wrote:
                > Luke,
                >
                > I would love to see that but the link does not work for me.
                >
                > Charles
                >
                >
                > If you keep heading south you will eventually reach civilisation
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: <lukecurran@h...>
                > To: <bolger@y...>
                > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 9:19 AM
                > Subject: [bolger] Re: Block Parts?
                >
                >
                > > If this link has been posted I've missed it;
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > http://catalogue.com/bobpone/plywoodblocks.htm
                > >
                > >
                > > Bolger rules!!!
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                like
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              • lukecurran@hotmail.com
                Charles You might be interested in the (non-bolger) page on tradional boats I found the link - lots of tips. http://catalog.com/bobpone/shopbuilding.htm
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                  Charles

                  You might be interested in the (non-bolger) page on tradional boats I
                  found the link - lots of tips.


                  http://catalog.com/bobpone/shopbuilding.htm



                  --- In bolger@y..., "Charles Wilson" <wilson.c@b...> wrote:
                  > Luke,
                  >
                  > I would love to see that but the link does not work for me.
                  >
                  > Charles
                  >
                  >
                • Charles Wilson
                  Luke, Thanks a lot the link now works and I kinda like the idea. Will also look at the rest as you suggest. Charles If you keep heading south you will
                  Message 8 of 23 , Nov 5, 2001
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                    Luke,

                    Thanks a lot the link now works and I kinda like the idea.

                    Will also look at the rest as you suggest.

                    Charles


                    If you keep heading south you will eventually reach civilisation
                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: <lukecurran@...>
                    To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 2:42 PM
                    Subject: [bolger] Re: Block Parts?


                    > Charles
                    >
                    > You might be interested in the (non-bolger) page on tradional boats I
                    > found the link - lots of tips.
                    >
                    >
                    > http://catalog.com/bobpone/shopbuilding.htm
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > --- In bolger@y..., "Charles Wilson" <wilson.c@b...> wrote:
                    > > Luke,
                    > >
                    > > I would love to see that but the link does not work for me.
                    > >
                    > > Charles
                    > >
                    > >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Bolger rules!!!
                    > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
                    > - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
                    > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
                    > - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
                    01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
                    > - Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
                    >
                    > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
                    >
                    >
                  • Harry James
                    Great site, it was exactly what I was looking for. Home made blocks, by a guy who thinks production and good quality, lets get it built and get on the water.
                    Message 9 of 23 , Nov 5, 2001
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                      Great site, it was exactly what I was looking for. Home made blocks, by a guy who thinks production
                      and good quality, lets get it built and get on the water. I am interested in building blocks rather
                      than buying because of the incredible expense of $$Marine$$ hardware. I didn't want to handcraft each
                      one though. Thanks to this guys site and Richard's, recommendation of mcmaster site I have enough to
                      come up with something on my own for mass production.

                      HJ

                      lukecurran@... wrote:

                      > If this link has been posted I've missed it;
                      >
                      > http://catalogue.com/bobpone/plywoodblocks.htm
                      >
                    • Charles Wilson
                      Thanks Luke, now I think I may attempt to build some blocks instead of hibernating. Blocks, hibernation? If I speak to you again before the spring I will be
                      Message 10 of 23 , Nov 5, 2001
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                        Thanks Luke, now I think I may attempt to build some blocks instead of
                        hibernating. Blocks, hibernation?
                        If I speak to you again before the spring I will be making blocks,
                        otherwise.................................

                        Charlessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss


                        If you keep heading south you will eventually reach civilisation
                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: <lukecurran@...>
                        To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 2:05 PM
                        Subject: [bolger] Re: Block Parts?


                        > Sorry, I hope I get it right this time!
                        >
                        >
                        > http://catalog.com/bobpone/plywoodblocks.htm
                        >
                        >
                        > --- In bolger@y..., "Charles Wilson" <wilson.c@b...> wrote:
                        > > Luke,
                        > >
                        > > I would love to see that but the link does not work for me.
                        > >
                        > > Charles
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > If you keep heading south you will eventually reach civilisation
                        > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > From: <lukecurran@h...>
                        > > To: <bolger@y...>
                        > > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 9:19 AM
                        > > Subject: [bolger] Re: Block Parts?
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > > If this link has been posted I've missed it;
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > http://catalogue.com/bobpone/plywoodblocks.htm
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > Bolger rules!!!
                        > > > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
                        > > > - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
                        > > > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you
                        > like
                        > > > - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
                        > Gloucester, MA,
                        > > 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
                        > > > - Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@y...
                        > > >
                        > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
                        > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Bolger rules!!!
                        > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
                        > - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
                        > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
                        > - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
                        01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
                        > - Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
                        >
                        > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
                        >
                        >
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