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  • Chuck Leinweber
    Is this the picture you guys are talking about?: http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/reports/04/hillbilly.jpg Chuck In a message dated 10/31/01 9:23:17 AM Central
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      Is this the picture you guys are talking about?:
      http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/reports/04/hillbilly.jpg

      Chuck


      In a message dated 10/31/01 9:23:17 AM Central Standard Time,
      jmbell@... writes:


      > While that table was planing, I would have liked to see what happened when
      > he threw the helm over hard. A long skid followed by a spectacular high-side
      > trip?
      >
      >

      A very interesting question! I'd never thought about that. I wonder if the
      "rake" of the lower unit would have an influence on whether it would just
      skid sideways until the inevitable bad outcome occurred or if it would nicely
      carve out a turn? I'd be willing to bet that they didn't try it out! (I would
      have been pretty cautious - up to a point, at least) It would sure be neat to
      learn the details of how the stunt was done, wouldn't it?

      p.s. Is there any prospect that you could send the photo to me via e-mail?
      I'd love to see how far my memory diverges from reality.

      Ciao for Niao
      Bill in MN






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    • thomas dalzell
      If the table is 4.5 x 3 feet, and the top and skirts amount to 6 , then we are talking about a displacement of 420#. Not bad, all he needs is the matching
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        If the table is 4.5 x 3 feet, and the top and skirts
        amount to 6", then we are talking about a displacement
        of 420#. Not bad, all he needs is the matching Bimini
        top.


        --- Chuck Leinweber <chuck@...>
        wrote:

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        Is this the picture you guys are talking about?:<BR>
        <a
        href="http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/reports/04/hillbilly.jpg">http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/reports/04/hillbilly.jpg</a><BR>
        <BR>
        Chuck<BR>
        <BR>
        <BR>
          In a message dated 10/31/01 9:23:17 AM Central
        Standard Time, <BR>
          jmbell@... writes:<BR>
        <BR>
        <BR>
          > While that table was planing, I would have
        liked to see what happened when<BR>
          > he threw the helm over hard. A long skid
        followed by a spectacular high-side<BR>
          > trip?<BR>
          > <BR>
          > <BR>
        <BR>
          A very interesting question! I'd never thought
        about that. I wonder if the <BR>
          "rake" of the lower unit would have
        an influence on whether it would just <BR>
          skid sideways until the inevitable bad outcome
        occurred or if it would nicely <BR>
          carve out a turn? I'd be willing to bet that
        they didn't try it out! (I would <BR>
          have been pretty cautious - up to a point, at
        least) It would sure be neat to <BR>
          learn the details of how the stunt was done,
        wouldn't it?<BR>
        <BR>
          p.s. Is there any prospect that you could send
        the photo to me via e-mail? <BR>
          I'd love to see how far my memory diverges from
        reality.<BR>
        <BR>
          Ciao for Niao<BR>
          Bill in MN<BR>
        <BR>
        <BR>
        <BR>
        <BR>
        <BR>
        <BR>
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      • pateson@colton.com
        I didn t think anybody saw me. My first Power boat had a very similar underwater shape. 4 x8 (wonder why) box with slightly curve up bow. No skeg, runners,
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          I didn't think anybody saw me.

          My first "Power boat" had a very similar underwater shape.

          4'x8' (wonder why) box with slightly curve up bow.
          No skeg, runners, nothin, on the bottom.
          Didn't have the little overhangs of the table top,
          but pretty much the same.

          Great, straight ahead. Fast!
          First, and only real outing was on a long, narrow lake.
          Like a bat, till it came time to turn.
          Motor turned, boat turned, but course remained the same.
          It did not "carve out a turn". It would not change course.
          I think it was one of those Newton's laws things.
          I had to slow down to get it to turn around and try it
          in the other direction. Same result. Back and forth
          with the motor, only provided different angles to view
          straight down the lake.
          Interesting.
          That was the same boat that became a "Submersible" when,
          loaded with three 12 year old boys, and one decided to move
          up front a little for a better ride.
          Totally decked, so no harm. Just started to "Plane"
          toward the bottom, till I killed the motor.
          I think, luckily, the motor pretty much decided to
          stay dead, which is why I am able to write about it
          almost 40 years later.
          God works in mysterious ways, and that boat performed
          likewise.

          That "table" overhang does look interesting.

          Only one way to find out.

          I've got a table.

          Any body got a motor?


          Pat







          --- In bolger@y..., thomas dalzell <proaconstrictor@y...> wrote:
          > If the table is 4.5 x 3 feet, and the top and skirts
          > amount to 6", then we are talking about a displacement
          > of 420#. Not bad, all he needs is the matching Bimini
          > top.
          >
          >
          > --- Chuck Leinweber <chuck@d...>
          > wrote:
          >
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          > Is this the picture you guys are talking about?:<BR>
          > <a
          >
          href="http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/reports/04/hillbilly.jpg">http:
          //www.duckworksmagazine.com/reports/04/hillbilly.jpg</a><BR>
          > <BR>
          > Chuck<BR>
          > <BR>
          > <BR>
          >   In a message dated 10/31/01 9:23:17 AM Central
          > Standard Time, <BR>
          >   jmbell@m... writes:<BR>
          > <BR>
          > <BR>
          >   > While that table was planing, I would have
          > liked to see what happened when<BR>
          >   > he threw the helm over hard. A long skid
          > followed by a spectacular high-side<BR>
          >   > trip?<BR>
          >   > <BR>
          >   > <BR>
          > <BR>
          >   A very interesting question! I'd never thought
          > about that. I wonder if the <BR>
          >   "rake" of the lower unit would have
          > an influence on whether it would just <BR>
          >   skid sideways until the inevitable bad outcome
          > occurred or if it would nicely <BR>
          >   carve out a turn? I'd be willing to bet that
          > they didn't try it out! (I would <BR>
          >   have been pretty cautious - up to a point, at
          > least) It would sure be neat to <BR>
          >   learn the details of how the stunt was done,
          > wouldn't it?<BR>
          > <BR>
          >   p.s. Is there any prospect that you could send
          > the photo to me via e-mail? <BR>
          >   I'd love to see how far my memory diverges from
          > reality.<BR>
          > <BR>
          >   Ciao for Niao<BR>
          >   Bill in MN<BR>
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        • wmrpage@aol.com
          In a message dated 10/31/01 11:32:31 PM Central Standard Time, ... By George! (or By Chuck!) It certainly looks like the one I recall. I remembered the make of
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            In a message dated 10/31/01 11:32:31 PM Central Standard Time,
            chuck@... writes:


            > Is this the picture you guys are talking about?:
            > http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/reports/04/hillbilly.jpg
            >
            > Chuck
            >
            >
            >

            By George! (or By Chuck!) It certainly looks like the one I recall. I
            remembered the make of the motor correctly, but had forgotten (perhaps didn't
            notice?) the "transom" on this table. Thanks, Chuck! (Duckworks is a great
            magazine, by the way, IMHO)

            Bill in MN


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          • wmrpage@aol.com
            In a message dated 11/1/01 7:51:39 PM Central Standard Time, ... I take it from your survival that you didn t trip and roll while trying to turn the boat.
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              In a message dated 11/1/01 7:51:39 PM Central Standard Time,
              pateson@... writes:


              > Like a bat, till it came time to turn.
              > Motor turned, boat turned, but course remained the same.
              >

              I take it from your survival that you didn't "trip" and roll while
              trying to turn the boat. I'm curious as to why not. Good sense?

              Does anyone have any idea what the concept or execution was behing the
              "anti-trip" chines on Hickman sea-sleds? Bolger is on record that he thinks
              Hickman squandered his talents with his concentration on this type. Hickman's
              "sea-sleds" were anything but flat-bottomed, at least in their mature
              configuration, but remarks in the literature suggest that they might have had
              an unfortunate tendency to "trip" without the prophylatic chines.

              Bill in MN


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