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69918Re: [bolger] Re: #501 35' sailing scow houseboat/ BUG OUT Boat

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  • phil.bolger
    Oct 27, 2013
      Hello All,
           I’ve not been on vacation or recovering in some ward, but socked-in with stuff.

      I am not sure about the point of any ‘bug-out’ boat, as you will continue to depend a bit on ‘civilization’ for certain basics. 
      “And then she said piously”...it it might be useful to do things locally that will reduce the fear of any need to leave for parts unknown, since helping out on serious local solutions might be a good redirect of likely plausible serious concerns before they become a dark-cloud level of fear to trigger the flight-reflex. 

      Whether in respective comics, short-stories, novels, sci-fi yarns, dystopian movies, or much less defensible as a form of semi-predictive art – the highly self-hyping ‘Doomsday-Industrial Complex’ - wherever (?!)  we see both reflections of potentialities that would trigger the urge to ‘flee’, but usually also the aftermath – which by consequences of the doomsday’ scenario won’t be ‘Elysian Field’ either, meaning an existence quite likely brutish, nasty and likely short.   So ‘bugging out’ may have you hope to ‘live longer’, but under what circumstances and to what odds ?!  

      However, assuming, that well-evolved personal perspectives indeed drive some folks’ quest for the ‘Bug-Out Boat’, for serious resilience in utter unpredictables, i.e. no more GPS/LORAN/AIS, inherently uncertain/hostile practices amongst surviving ‘boaters’, uncertain supplies-availability, a simple over-load-absorbing double-ended steel-hull motor-sailer might be one option, assuming you’d take insulation/condensation and thus internal hull-skin access seriously.  You could integrate ‘citadel’-type hardened sections to huddle behind against modest-caliber small-arms fire.  Such a hull could take all sorts of collisions and rough-encounters as you head ‘beyond Thunderdome’...past ‘Waterworld’.. towards the forced and unceremonious integration into the minion-forces of the Klingon Overlords.

      Mind you, a Doomsday-Boat would not necessarily make the best cruiser now, since cruising amidst civilized parameters might allow a better approach towards ergonomics, safety/’sinking-resistance’, relative ecologically-responsible structure and propulsion etc.

      But one example of an existing Bolger simple steel-shape might be Design #370, the single-chine modest vee-bilges SOLUTION-48 center-board motor-sailor, possibly just big enough for two to set up a survival-pod for the ‘aftermath’.  This double-ended 48’ x 12’6” x 2’6” x 23,000lbs DWL, schooner or four-sided-sloop rigged hull, with modest 20-40hp diesel-power would require modest labor for the results.  And with her shape, overloads are not immediately punishing, assuming it would be mostly down low.

      Plans on 8 sheets (22”x34”) are listed at $ 700.- to build one boat, sent rolled in a tube.

      As ever before in human history, the forecast seems full of ‘the usual’ challenges and opportunities to do better... with ultimately many of the details changing alright, but the basic need to find plausible constructive responses remaining more or less the same.  And as Phil would laconically point out, “first and last there is no security in life” and that “we all need luck...” to get on with things.

      Susanne Altenburger, PB&F   
      From: Darrell
      Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 5:02 PM
      Subject: [bolger] Re: #501 35' sailing scow houseboat


      If anybody knows the Bolger designs it would be you, M'am. Thank you for illuminating the subject for me, and thanks to the others who have shown a genuine interest in considering the attributes of #501. When I was looking for Sailing Houseboat Scows I also came across Tillicum, a Garden design. http://triloboats.blogspot.com/2011/12/tale-of-two-scows.html

      I bought the book that contains some drawings, and according to Garden, Tillicum "can go anywhere", but is better suited as a coastal cruiser. It draws 24" as opposed to #501's 18", and has a center board/keel. Any thoughts about this vessel's suitability for long term, secure, and comfortable family living? With the ability to change locations under it's own power? Another thing that to me is of highest importance is the that the sailing houseboat has enough room to make for quality living. That is what #501, and Tillicum, have to offer. And of course shoal draft.

      Susanne, do you have a recommendation for a suitable "bug-out" boat?
      I have seen images of generations of Chinese living aboard junks, and there is some historical data on "The Sea Peoples", different tribes who escaped from hostile threats by taking to the sea for refuge. They grew in power and conquered parts of Egypt. The Dutch indeed have lived aboard houseboats and scows forever, but of course the idea of a bug-out boat is to search for safety in a relatively remote area away from threats.

      I guess my qwest to develope a 'PROOF OF CONCEPT" is actually an attempt to collect emperical data on as many aspects, attribures, variables, and impediments to successful, and possibly prosperouse, long term survival in a "sailing houseboat". My interest in answering these questions may, possibly, be unique to me.

      --- In mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com, <philbolger@...> wrote:

      > Or you could talk to me to find
      out what ‘else’ might be available. Whether for Doomsday Scenaria, or just offshore and inshore cruising, or just living-aboard without much long-distance ambitions â€" whichever particular angle (and they shift...) â€" you’d want a rugged shallow-draft type that can sit more or less upright on the more or less level mud/sand, or do the Atlantic. And of that ‘persuasion’ we’ve done a few of in both wood and steel construction. With more doable !
      And there is indeed no reason to give up on high degrees of sinking-resistance as long as the design bears this attribute in mind since earliest concept-stages.
      > Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
      From: Scot McPherson
      > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:41 PM
      > To:
      > Cc:
      > Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: #501 35' sailing scow houseboat
      > My opinion and opinion only is if you are looking for
      a boat to live aboard and long term liveabosrd cruise with. Which is what an Armageddon boat really is, you need one of the overly sturdy designs. Boats designed to be beached for servicing rather than relying on docking facilities, and can be serviced by carving lumber out of a tree with an adze, hatchets and hand powers saws. For that you might want to look at bhueler designs.
      > They are heavy and slow, but designed to live through hurricanes, and
      be beached for hull repairs.
      > They are not unsinkable though.
      Unsinkable ships by their very design trade offs are not suitable blue water vessels, at least not for long trips.
      > Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP
      > Old Lyme, CT
      > Sent from my iPhone
      > On Aug
      20, 2013, at 12:35 PM, "Peter" <pvanderwaart@...> wrote:
      > > It is not so much to establish a PROOF of CONCEPT of the
      sailing scow,
      > > but to prove that such a boat could be a permanent
      family shelter,
      > > and can be moved to a new location under her own
      power if needed.
      > > My vision was that in case of national emergency,
      or a disaster
      > > of whatever origin, a family could be evacuated, and
      safely and
      > > comfortably sheltered, by grounding on a beach or
      sitting on the
      > > mud, working the tides.
      > I'm not
      sure what you think needs proving. People have lived on boats for centuries. Like this:
      > Also barges in European canals, and numerous American cruisers,
      > It would be much quicker and possibly cheaper to get a
      down-at-the-heels, used, fiberglass cruiser, possibly a center cockpit sloop built for the charter trades. After a hose down, and delousing the mattresses, you can move aboard and refurbish the engine and rig at your leisure.
      > Don't get me wrong; I'm a big fan of #501. It's a remarkably clever
      design, as you will find out if you try to make any facile changes. But it's not meant as a voyaging boat, and I doubt it's a good choice for out-running the apocalypse. PCB designed some other boats that would be better for that, but the requirements for going to see cause them to be more difficult to build.

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