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69785Re: #501 35' sailing scow houseboat

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  • Darrell
    Aug 20 2:02 PM
      Susanne

      If anybody knows the Bolger designs it would be you, M'am. Thank you for illuminating the subject for me, and thanks to the others who have shown a genuine interest in considering the attributes of #501. When I was looking for Sailing Houseboat Scows I also came across Tillicum, a Garden design. http://triloboats.blogspot.com/2011/12/tale-of-two-scows.html

      I bought the book that contains some drawings, and according to Garden, Tillicum "can go anywhere", but is better suited as a coastal cruiser. It draws 24" as opposed to #501's 18", and has a center board/keel. Any thoughts about this vessel's suitability for long term, secure, and comfortable family living? With the ability to change locations under it's own power? Another thing that to me is of highest importance is the that the sailing houseboat has enough room to make for quality living. That is what #501, and Tillicum, have to offer. And of course shoal draft.

      Susanne, do you have a recommendation for a suitable "bug-out" boat?
      I have seen images of generations of Chinese living aboard junks, and there is some historical data on "The Sea Peoples", different tribes who escaped from hostile threats by taking to the sea for refuge. They grew in power and conquered parts of Egypt. The Dutch indeed have lived aboard houseboats and scows forever, but of course the idea of a bug-out boat is to search for safety in a relatively remote area away from threats.

      I guess my qwest to develope a 'PROOF OF CONCEPT" is actually an attempt to collect emperical data on as many aspects, attribures, variables, and impediments to successful, and possibly prosperouse, long term survival in a "sailing houseboat". My interest in answering these questions may, possibly, be unique to me.




      --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, <philbolger@...> wrote:
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      > Or you could talk to me to find out what ‘else’ might be available. Whether for Doomsday Scenaria, or just offshore and inshore cruising, or just living-aboard without much long-distance ambitions â€" whichever particular angle (and they shift...) â€" you’d want a rugged shallow-draft type that can sit more or less upright on the more or less level mud/sand, or do the Atlantic. And of that ‘persuasion’ we’ve done a few of in both wood and steel construction. With more doable !
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      > And there is indeed no reason to give up on high degrees of sinking-resistance as long as the design bears this attribute in mind since earliest concept-stages.
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      > Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
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      > From: Scot McPherson
      > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:41 PM
      > To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
      > Cc: bolger@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: #501 35' sailing scow houseboat
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      > My opinion and opinion only is if you are looking for a boat to live aboard and long term liveabosrd cruise with. Which is what an Armageddon boat really is, you need one of the overly sturdy designs. Boats designed to be beached for servicing rather than relying on docking facilities, and can be serviced by carving lumber out of a tree with an adze, hatchets and hand powers saws. For that you might want to look at bhueler designs.
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      > They are heavy and slow, but designed to live through hurricanes, and be beached for hull repairs.
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      > They are not unsinkable though. Unsinkable ships by their very design trade offs are not suitable blue water vessels, at least not for long trips.
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      > Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
      > Old Lyme, CT
      > Sent from my iPhone
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      > On Aug 20, 2013, at 12:35 PM, "Peter" <pvanderwaart@...> wrote:
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      > > It is not so much to establish a PROOF of CONCEPT of the sailing scow,
      > > but to prove that such a boat could be a permanent family shelter,
      > > and can be moved to a new location under her own power if needed.
      > > My vision was that in case of national emergency, or a disaster
      > > of whatever origin, a family could be evacuated, and safely and
      > > comfortably sheltered, by grounding on a beach or sitting on the
      > > mud, working the tides.
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      > I'm not sure what you think needs proving. People have lived on boats for centuries. Like this:
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      > http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4137/4899292823_1f2c4cbcef_z.jpg
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      > Also barges in European canals, and numerous American cruisers, etc.
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      > It would be much quicker and possibly cheaper to get a down-at-the-heels, used, fiberglass cruiser, possibly a center cockpit sloop built for the charter trades. After a hose down, and delousing the mattresses, you can move aboard and refurbish the engine and rig at your leisure.
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      > Don't get me wrong; I'm a big fan of #501. It's a remarkably clever design, as you will find out if you try to make any facile changes. But it's not meant as a voyaging boat, and I doubt it's a good choice for out-running the apocalypse. PCB designed some other boats that would be better for that, but the requirements for going to see cause them to be more difficult to build.
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