67160RE: [bolger] Re: Seabird 86 [1 Attachment]
- Dec 7, 2011PCB has often pointed out that raised decks are a) stronger, b) provide more
headroom for people sitting inside the cabin against the side, and c)
increase buoyancy and seaworthiness. Raised decks are also found on Edey and
Duff's Stonehorse, some versions of the San Juan 21 and even a Cal 20.
Unfortunately, a lot of people just don't like the way they look.
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Y'know, it's interesting to me that the
cockpit/deck/cabintop/forward-cockpit, etc etc etc of this SeaBird is nearly
identical to Bolger's famous and oft-built Black Skimmer-- same flush-deck
right to gunwales, nearly same portlights -- but that boat's a
leeboard-sharpie, thus totally different under-water. AND a cat-yawl, so
totally different rig as well.
(sorry, I haven't reviewed SeaBird's interior accommodations, so can't
comment on similarities there)
Heck, even the stout tall verticals on the companionway-hatch structure, to
strengthen the foredeck as well as to provide some centerline
not-quite-headroom, is the same on both!
I owned a Black Skimmer, and found her to be very user-friendly from that
layout -- I'd say Phil "copied" one-to-the-other (no idea which was first)
because it was a layout / construction proven to WORK, both for the build,
and for the usage.
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Subject: [bolger] Re: Seabird 86
Yes, Mr. Bolger mentioned it was "tiddly at anchor":-)
Looking at the drawings on page 254 of BWAM one can visualize why it might
seem cramped. When the berths are rigged there is no space to access the
table and even get to the WC. And they have to be stowed to get access to
the table and the cooking arrangement with is rather awkward as it all
slides under the cockpit. This boat does fall under the "bed and brakfast"
section of the book though.
The large bilge panels rob a lot of potential storage and living space, but
of course add to it's seaworthiness. A compromise between it and LM might be
the Michalak Picara with narrower bilge panels?
But Jim makes himself clear that he does not design off-shore boats. Picara
might be close.
--- In email@example.com <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> , "Peter"
>before the very nice German boat, so at least two were built.) He said it
> PCB wrote somewhere that he had gotten a sail on a Seabird '86. (This was
was initially tender as might be expected from the narrow waterline, but
sailed in a satisfactory manner.
>of motorsailer, so he wouldn't have expected J-24 performance, and he'd
> You have to put his remarks in context. He had drawn it thinking in terms
hardly have written that the boat was a dog and to be avoided in any case.
On the other hand, he and Suzanne put a lot of work into the sloop and
Navigator versions later, so he must have thought it was pretty decent. And
he certainly would not have gone for the Navigator if he thought it couldn't
carry the weight.
>are similar, and they both have the very practical OB well. The ballast keel
> Seabird '86 strikes me as a cruising version of Chebacco. The hull forms
of Seabird makes her more forgiving of a helmsman's inattention in a breeze.
PCB tried to be clever about storage for gear and duffle. Any 22-footer is
cramped inside, especially after a couple days of rain.
>takes advantage of the boxy shape where SB loses volume where the LM has the
> Seabird makes an interesting contrast to Long Micro. The interior of LM
chine. LM might be faster is a lot of conditions (I gather the rig is
generous), but much more jarring than SB.
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