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  • George F Somsel
    I wasn t aware that it was NPL s birthday.  Let me join in wishing you well.  What is it now?  39? george gfsomsel … search for truth, hear truth, learn
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      I wasn't aware that it was NPL's birthday.  Let me join in wishing you well.  What is it now?  39?


      george
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      From: Jack Kilmon <jkilmon@...>
      >To: biblicalist@yahoogroups.com
      >Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 8:05 AM
      >Subject: Re: [biblicalist] Barbs Barbs1
      >
      >
      >  
      >
      >Hi Rod:
      >That's true but is she the only scholar who has discovered that popular
      >books are zillions of times more profitable than books targeted to other
      >scholars (which also tend to be very expensive). For example, Baumgarten's
      >book on Qumran law is still a couple hundred bucks. Books by scholars for
      >popular appeal push envelopes much, much further than would be allowed by
      >peer review. Eisenman comes to mind with "James, Brother of Jesus." I am
      >sure the folks here can think of others.
      >
      >While I am thinking of it, Niels...happy birthday!!
      >
      >Jack
      >
      >Jack Kilmon
      >Houston, TX
      >
      >-----Original Message-----
      >From: saintxmas
      >Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 9:21 AM
      >To: biblicalist@yahoogroups.com
      >Subject: [biblicalist] Barbs Barbs1
      >
      >Goodness Jack you get around!!
      >
      >I'm afraid despite being a fellow Aussie Dr Babs
      >just doesnt cut it in the logic stakes;
      >pity because she is a smart lady.
      >
      >Rod
      >
      >--- In biblicalist@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Kilmon" <jkilmon@...> wrote:
      >>
      >> I like Barbara because I like "mavericks" since they keep others on their
      >> toes, but I would venture that the "Pesher technique" has a major flaw,
      >> well, several actually.
      >>
      >> Firstly, the Gospel authors were not from Palestine and never set foot in
      >> or
      >> around Qumran. They would not have known a pesher from a ham sandwich and
      >> secondly, the "technique" is an invitation to the novelist's creativity
      >> opening up New Testament texts to the imagination and literary license.
      >>
      >> Now, always open to new paths, if one could show me an ancient pesher
      >> interpretation of an ancient text along with archaeological or ancient
      >> epigraphic and textual evidence for the pesher interpretation,.......
      >>
      >> Regards,
      >> Jack
      >>
      >> Jack Kilmon
      >> Houston, TX
      >>
      >>
      >> -----Original Message-----
      >> From: saintxmas
      >> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:04 AM
      >> To: biblicalist@yahoogroups.com
      >> Subject: [biblicalist] Good Reading.
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> May I suggest you steer well clear of Dr Thiering's
      >> work;
      >> you'd be better served reading the books by
      >> Geza Vermes; The Nativity; History and Legend:
      >> and The Passion, which covers the crucifixion.
      >>
      >> His Authentic Gospel of Jesus is also good reading.
      >>
      >> Perhaps the easiest to read and most thoroughly
      >> researched book is "From Jesus to Christianity" by
      >> L. Michael White, 2004, Harper; San Francisco.
      >> White is a Professor of Antiquity and Christian Origins
      >> at the University of Texas.
      >>
      >>
      >> --- In biblicalist@yahoogroups.com, "edna randle" <erandle@> wrote:
      >> >
      >> > You could try Thiering's 'Jesus the Man' for a different perspective of
      >> > Judaism at that period, bearing in mind that many don't accept her
      >> > 'interpretations'. So far, no one has proven her to be in error.
      >>
      >> In fact Barbara Thiering has yet to prove her hypothesis;
      >> that the New Testament contains coded reference to
      >> the real mission Jesus undertook; he did not die after
      >> his crucifixion; and the NT is in many
      >> instances parallel to the texts of the Dead Sea Scrolls.
      >>
      >> Among the wilder claims;
      >>
      >> Jesus was in fact born at Qumran, where the Dead
      >> Sea Scrolls were found.
      >> He was tried and crucified at Qumran.
      >> He walked on the waters of the Dead Sea.
      >>
      >> He fished in the Dead Sea; odd it being dead and all;
      >> but he was not fishing for fish, but for followers.
      >> He was complicit in the death of John the Baptist,
      >> being on the side of Herod Antipas.
      >>
      >> He was also privy to the plot which saw Arippa 1
      >> poisoned.
      >>
      >> Jesus after surviving the crucifixion;
      >>
      >> -wrote the Gospel of John.
      >> -Divorced Mary Magdeleine, remarried and had a son Jesus Justus,
      >> who was crowned a Davidic King in Rome.
      >> -lived to a ripe old age and died in Rome.
      >>
      >> Best
      >> Rod N.
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> > Looking for balanced works that locate Jesus within his first century
      >> > context, particularly within the Judaism(s) of the period. Part of the
      >> > goal is to find works that serve, in part, as a sober assessment and
      >> > corrective to those who have a penchant for reading late medieval Jewish
      >> > customs and beliefs back in to the first century.
      >> >
      >> > Might Vermes', Jesus in His Jewish Context be one work that answers
      >> > that
      >> > description? Others? Alternatives?
      >> >
      >> > What of Neusner and Scott, Judaisms and Their Messiahs at the Turn of
      >> > the Christian Era?
      >> >
      >> > Thank you in advance.
      >> >
      >> >
      >> > Respectfully,
      >> > Stephen Lord
      >> >
      >> >
      >>
      >>
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