specific walter martin lecture?
- I've been trying to locate a specific speech Walter
Martin gave, entitled "Jehovah's Witnesses, Jesus
Christ, and the Holy Trinity." A friend gave me this
tape when I was a trinity-denying Christian, and his
powerful message turned me back to orthodoxy again.
It is a different lecture from the one posted at
His first words in this specific lecture that I am
trying to locate, are:
"Tonight we are going to be studying a subject which a
great many of you are interested in because you're
here, and that's the subject of Jehovah's Witnesses,
Jesus Christ, and the Holy Trinity. The Watchtower
Bible and Tract Society came into existence through
Charles Taze Russel, who was a haberdasher in
Allegheny Pennsylvania. Russel, in the 1870's, started
promoting the idea that the Trinity is not Christian,
that hell did not exist. In fact, he gained the
reputation as the man who turned the hose on hell, and
a great many people liked the idea, because hell is an
uncomfortable thought, and people were not to worry
about it, it was a place of rest, in hope."
The specific lecture has been subtitled "Martin at
Calvary Chapel", and I would guess it was given
between 1973-74, as near the end, he mentions that he
is moving the ministry, and required assistence of
editors and writers, and says "we already have 4
offers in southern california, and one in northern
Martin also mentions the humerous point that
Rutherford purchased a grand house under the pretext
of expecting Abe, Isaac and Jacob:
"Rutherford purchased a house called beth sarim, the
house of princes, and he moved in....expecting Abraham
Isaac and Jacob, no doubt. When Jehovah's Witnesses
started complaining that he was living in beronial
splendor, he said he was only the groundskeeper,
taking care of the place until Abraham Isaac and Jacob
get back. They didn't come, so he sold it. There's a
chinese man who lives there now, and he's sick to
death of people knocking on the door and asking if
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob live there."
This specific speech is very hard to locate, and I
don't think it is the same one that you guys have had
in your listening library with a similar title.
(I supply the above excerpts from memory)
I disagree with CRI for their minimizing Walter and
magnifying Hank above the hosts of heaven. I loved
Walter Martin and his messages. I wish I would have
saved all those tapes I bought from CRI back in
1992-1993, most of which are not offered at his
daughter's online library.
If you don't know where this lecture might be located,
could you suggest emails or websites of other people
who have collections of walter martin audio.
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- Hello Robert M. Bowman, Jr et al;
Therefore I will not be responding to any more posts until Mr Bowman
allows the discussion to continue. I would welcome any off-list
discussion if anyone so chooses.
Regards in His Name;
Robert M. Bowman, Jr. wrote:
> I'm officially calling a halt to this thread. The topic is fine, but
> the posts are getting too repetitive. I think Dave and James have
> staked out their positions and are now just repeating themselves.
> I'm sorry that I'm too busy to wade into the subject myself at the
> moment, but perhaps after things cool down a bit we can resume the
> discussion and try to pursue a more fruitful direction. But for now,
> I'm asking everyone to give this specific question a rest.
> Rob Bowman
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