1841Re: Find the flaw in logic.
- Jan 2 10:28 PM--- In email@example.com, Todd Tornow
>ideas. But I would like some other input. * Christians are people who
> I would like some input on how to get around this one. I have some
have accepted the holy spirit in to their hearts, souls, and selves;
> by accepting the holy spirit they have accepted jesus into theirselves:
> By accepting jesus into their selves they have accepted god intotheir selves;
> sin does not exist in the presence of god;I can't speak to the rest of it yet, because this popped out at me
> god is in all Christians;
> all the above being true christians can not sin.
> Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary!
first, and I need to address it before I consider any other problems
in that train of thought.
You said, "sin does not exist in the presence of god". This is a
false statement. God is everywhere, therefore, wherever there is sin,
God is there as well. To say that sin does not exist in the presence
of God is to limit God by claiming God isn't everywhere.
I do not believe in a Hell as in a place of outer darkness and
separation from God, because it implies that God is not always
Being always everywhere is the very definition of Omnipresence.
God is Omnipresent.
Therefore, there is no place where God is not.
There _IS_ a place for the punishment of the unrighteous after theiur
deaths. It is a place of torment that SEEMS (but is NOT) unending. It
is NOT a place to be avoided, but it IS a condition to avoid once one
goes to that place.
That place is the very Presence of God.
There can be no greater punishment for a soul than to be in the
Presence and finally come to realize that all his/her "excuses" for
sin are folly and vanity and foolishness. The Jews say that a person
dfoes not sin except he goes a little insane. The definition of
insanity is believing the untrue to be true, or the true to be
untrue. God is Omniscient, so God knows every thought and every
action of youe life. God knows that you assumed, or kidded yourself
into thinking that nobody caught you taking that cookie from the
cookie jar (or whatever that cookie represents in your particular
life, whether is that extra dime in change the teller gave you but
that you didn't return or whatever.) When you die, you go to the
presence of God without the interference of the physical reality
between you and God, which is pretty much all reality is: a barrier
between you and God's Glory.
This is part of why I do not believe in The Devil. The very concept
implies that an angel of God, who stood in the very Presence of God,
didn't know that any rebellion against God was doomed to failure
because God would know about it the very instant such a notion would
have entered that angel's mind. Angels have no freewill, but humans
So humans can sin, but angels cannot. If there is an angel that kills
or carries out some other evil, it is only because God wills it to do
So, even though a person has a deep and abiding relationship with
God, due to his/her freewill, that person CAN sin. David, Soloman,
Moses, Abraham and Noah all sinned, yet they all were highly praised
by God for their righteousness and devotion to God.Psalm 145:18. The
Lord is near to all who call Him, to all who call Him with sincerity.
"That every man will turn from his evil way, then I will forgive
their iniquity and their sin." (Jeremiah 36:3).
It is probably BETTER that a man can sin, for without sin there would
be no opportunity to "return" to God in repentence and renewed
dedication to God and God's Will.
The person who sins and repents, calls upon God and returns to God
WILL be forgiven and earn great reward for that return. A reward
he/she would NOT have earned had they NOT sinned!
For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the
wicked shall fall into mischief. (Pr 24:16)
What this means is that, even after having fallen into error, a JUST
MAN is the one who stands himself up and tries again to follow the
True Path. It is the wicked man who gives up trying. The
expression, "The man who sins once is cut off from God and is doomed
to Hell" is unBiblical.
Does that help?
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