1443Re: ID logically implies non-ID, but u have none!
- Nov 8, 2006Dave,
Your post wasn't really germane to the purpose of this list, but I
will allow a brief discussion and then close it when it seems
<< There's theism and non-theism.
There's humans and non-humans.
There's numbers and non-numbers.
There's planets and non-planets.
There's empiricism and non-empiricism.
So there's also intelligent design AND non-intelligent design.
Since the existence of the one implies the other, it is also true
that if you cannot find it's logical counterpart, it might be
because the affirmation was wrong to begin with. >>
Then again, there are valid arguments and invalid arguments.
Your argument is akin to an art critic claiming that unless one can
show that Leonardo da Vinci was responsible for the fading and
cracking apparent in his painting of the Last Supper, we cannot
attribute the painting itself to da Vinci or to any other artist.
<< Since you are the one affirming intelligent design, you should
have no more problem finding examples of non-intelligent design in
the universe, anymore than she who affirms a left hand would have
problems showing the existence of it's counterpart (the non-left
hand, or the right hand). >>
Indeed, we have no problem finding examples of a lack of intelligent
design ("non-intelligent design" could be misunderstood to mean
design that is not intelligent). When a rock slide occurs as the
result of natural processes, the consequent positions of the rocks
are not the result of design. Innumerable additional examples could
<< You may discover that your "God intelligently designed everything
in the universe" mantra is a bit too inclusivistic, because it
leaves no room whatsoever, for something that is logically
necessary.....the non-intelligent design. >>
If any advocate of ID has actually claimed that "God intelligently
designed everything in the universe," that person either misstated
or was speaking in a different context than what you are construing
such a statement to mean. The usual ID position is that God
intelligently designed the universe as a whole and that his design
is evidentially supported by some specific phenomena in the universe
(e.g., DNA), not that God intelligently designed every specific
physical object that has ever existed and every event of every type
that has ever occurred.
I believe you are knocking down a straw man.
In Christ's service,
Robert M. Bowman, Jr.
Manager, Apologetics & Interfaith Evangelism
North American Mission Board
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