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  • Richard Mathisen
    Preliminary Rankings: Recordings of Beethoven Sonata #3, Op. 2, No. 3 The first recording ( 01 ) is considered to be the best recording, the second one is
    Message 1 of 21 , Feb 4, 2009
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      Preliminary Rankings:

      Recordings of Beethoven Sonata #3, Op. 2, No. 3

      The first recording (“01”) is considered to be the “best” recording, the second one is the second best recording, etc.  When a pianist has recorded more than one complete sonata cycle, they are distinguished by numbers. “Alfred Brendel (3)” is the third complete cycle by Alfred Brendel. A complete list of recordings considered is shown at the end.

      Op 2, No. 3

       

                  01        Claude Frank

       

                  02        Alfred Brendel (2)

       

                  03        Sviatoslav RichterPrague 6/2/75

       

                  04        Vladimir Ashkenazy     

       

                  05        Artur Rubinstein 1963  

       

                  06        Richard Goode

       

                  07        Emil Gilels       

       

                  08        Sviatoslav Richter Studio         

       

                  09        Maurizio Pollini

       

                  10        Seymour Lipkin           

       

                  11        Paul Badura-Skoda (1)

       

                  12        Annie Fischer  

       

                  13        Bernard Roberts          

       

                  14        Jeno Jando      

       

                  15        Gerhard Oppitz           

       

       

      Dick Mathisen

       

      Note: The list of recordings considered, shown below, is a list of all my recordings of all 32 sonatas, not only recordings of Op 2-3. The sonatas are identified by number. Op 2-3 would be indicated as #3.

      Recordings Considered: Anda (7-14-28), Arrau (1962-66)(ALL), 1949 (21+26), (1984-94)(1-2-8-16-21-22-24-25-26-30), Ashkenazy (1974-80)(ALL), Ashkenazy (1988-91)(14-21-23-28-30-31-32), Backhaus1 (ALL), Backhaus2 (ALL), Backhaus Carnegie (8-14-17-25-26-29-32), Backhaus Salzburg (12-14-17-26), Badura-Skoda1 (1970’s) (ALL), Barenboim1 (ALL), Barenboim2 (ALL), Barenboim3 (ALL), Berman (23), Brendel1 (ALL), Brendel2 (ALL), Brendel3 (ALL), Brendel Live (24+29), Buchbinder (ALL), Casadesus (2-14-23-24-26-28), Ciani (ALL), Cliburn (8-14-23-26), DeLarrocha (15), Douglas (29), Egorov (28), Eschenbach (29-30-31-32), Feltsman (30-31-32), Firkusny (8-14-21-30), Annie Fischer (ALL), Francois (8-14-23), Frank (ALL), Freire (14-21-26-31), Gelber (3-5-8-20), Gieseking 1949-50 (ALL except 4-5-7-20-22), 1951 (21+23), 1955-56 (1 to 14, 17-18-19-20-30-31), Gilels (ALL except 1-9-22-24-32), Gilels Live 1969 (14), 1984 (29), Goldsmith (5-17-21-31), Goode (ALL), Grimaud (28-30-31), Gulda1 (ALL), Gulda2 (ALL), Hamelin (30-31-32), Haskil 1955 (17-18), 1960 (17-18), Salzburg (18), Pristine (18), “Hatto” (ALL), Heidsieck (ALL), Hewitt (3-4-7-8-15-23), Horowitz 1946 (14), 1956-59 (7-14-21-23), 1963?-1972  (8-14-21-23-28), Horszowski 1977 (2-5-10-30), 19xx? (30-31-32), Jando (ALL), Kempff1 (ALL), Kempff2 (ALL), Kissin (14), Klien (8-14-23), Kovacevich (ALL), Kraus (21+30), Kuerti (ALL), Laredo (3-20-23-26), Lewis (ALL), Lill (ALL), Lipkin (ALL), Lortie (ALL except 22-23-24-25-27-30-31-32), Lupu (8-14-21), Michelangeli 1981 (11-12), 1990 (32), Morovec (8-14-23-26-27), Nat (ALL), Nikolayeva (ALL), Novaes (17-21-26), O’Conor (ALL), Ogdon (8-14-23), Ohlsson (2-3-4-8-9-10-12-14-15-21-24-25-26-27-28-32), Oland (ALL), Oppitz (ALL), Ortiz (8-14-17-21), Paik (16 to 26), Perahia (1-2-3-7-17-18-23-26-28), Perl (ALL), Pires 1973 (8-14-17-23), 2001 (13-14-30), Pletnev (32), Pollini studio (ALL except 4-9-10-16-18-19-20), Pollini live (21-23-24), Richter studio (1-3-4-7-8-9-10-11-12-17-19-20-22-23-27), Richter live Prague (3-7-12-17-18-23-27-28-29-31), Moscow (3-4-8-17-18-23-27-28-30-31-32), Carnegie (3-7-9-12-17-18-22-23-27-29-31), Bucharest (7-12), Polling (6-7-17-18), Paris (6-7-17-18), Helsinki (7), Aldeburgh (3+29), Ohrid (28+30), Tokyo (31-32), Leipzig (30-31-32), London (11+29), Brooklyn (18), Munich (10+12), Rellingen (32), Kreuth (11), Amsterdam (19-20-22-23), Ludwigsberg (30-31-32), Roberts (ALL), Rosen (27-28-29-30-31-32), Rubinstein 1954 (8-18-21-23), 1962-63 (3-8-14-23-26), 1975 (18), Sandorskaya (29), Schiff (1 to 21), Schnabel (ALL), Serkin (1945-60) (8-14-21-23-24-30-31),  (1962-80)(1-6-8-11-12-13-14-16-21-23-24-26-28-29-30-31-32), live (1987) (30-31-32), Sheppard (ALL), Solomon (1-3-7-8-13-14-17-18-21-22-23-26-27-28-29-30-31-32), Taub (5-6-7-8-16-28), Uchida (30-31-32), Vogel (29+32), Watts (13-14-23), Wild (7-8-14-18-23-29)

    • klavierneuling
      Brendel above Richter? Must be a typo. KHI ... second best recording, etc. When a pianist has recorded more than one complete sonata cycle, they are
      Message 2 of 21 , Feb 5, 2009
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        Brendel above Richter? Must be a typo.
        KHI

        --- In beethovensonatas@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Mathisen" <richard.mathisen@...>
        wrote:
        >
        > Preliminary Rankings:
        > Recordings of Beethoven Sonata #3, Op. 2, No. 3
        >
        > The first recording ("01") is considered to be the "best" recording, the second one is the
        second best recording, etc. When a pianist has recorded more than one complete sonata
        cycle, they are distinguished by numbers. "Alfred Brendel (3)" is the third complete cycle
        by Alfred Brendel. A complete list of recordings considered is shown at the end.
        >
        > Op 2, No. 3
        >
        >
        >
        > 01 Claude Frank
        >
        >
        >
        > 02 Alfred Brendel (2)
        >
        >
        >
        > 03 Sviatoslav Richter Prague 6/2/75
        >
        >
        >
        > 04 Vladimir Ashkenazy
        >
        >
        >
        > 05 Artur Rubinstein 1963
        >
        >
        >
        > 06 Richard Goode
        >
        >
        >
        > 07 Emil Gilels
        >
        >
        >
        > 08 Sviatoslav Richter Studio
        >
        >
        >
        > 09 Maurizio Pollini
        >
        >
        >
        > 10 Seymour Lipkin
        >
        >
        >
        > 11 Paul Badura-Skoda (1)
        >
        >
        >
        > 12 Annie Fischer
        >
        >
        >
        > 13 Bernard Roberts
        >
        >
        >
        > 14 Jeno Jando
        >
        >
        >
        > 15 Gerhard Oppitz
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > Dick Mathisen
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > Note: The list of recordings considered, shown below, is a list of all my recordings of all
        32 sonatas, not only recordings of Op 2-3. The sonatas are identified by number. Op 2-3
        would be indicated as #3.
        >
        > Recordings Considered: Anda (7-14-28), Arrau (1962-66)(ALL), 1949 (21+26), (1984-
        94)(1-2-8-16-21-22-24-25-26-30), Ashkenazy (1974-80)(ALL), Ashkenazy (1988-
        91)(14-21-23-28-30-31-32), Backhaus1 (ALL), Backhaus2 (ALL), Backhaus Carnegie (8-
        14-17-25-26-29-32), Backhaus Salzburg (12-14-17-26), Badura-Skoda1 (1970's) (ALL),
        Barenboim1 (ALL), Barenboim2 (ALL), Barenboim3 (ALL), Berman (23), Brendel1 (ALL),
        Brendel2 (ALL), Brendel3 (ALL), Brendel Live (24+29), Buchbinder (ALL), Casadesus (2-14-
        23-24-26-28), Ciani (ALL), Cliburn (8-14-23-26), DeLarrocha (15), Douglas (29), Egorov
        (28), Eschenbach (29-30-31-32), Feltsman (30-31-32), Firkusny (8-14-21-30), Annie
        Fischer (ALL), Francois (8-14-23), Frank (ALL), Freire (14-21-26-31), Gelber (3-5-8-20),
        Gieseking 1949-50 (ALL except 4-5-7-20-22), 1951 (21+23), 1955-56 (1 to 14, 17-18-
        19-20-30-31), Gilels (ALL except 1-9-22-24-32), Gilels Live 1969 (14), 1984 (29),
        Goldsmith (5-17-21-31), Goode (ALL), Grimaud (28-30-31), Gulda1 (ALL), Gulda2 (ALL),
        Hamelin (30-31-32), Haskil 1955 (17-18), 1960 (17-18), Salzburg (18), Pristine (18),
        "Hatto" (ALL), Heidsieck (ALL), Hewitt (3-4-7-8-15-23), Horowitz 1946 (14), 1956-59 (7-
        14-21-23), 1963?-1972 (8-14-21-23-28), Horszowski 1977 (2-5-10-30), 19xx? (30-
        31-32), Jando (ALL), Kempff1 (ALL), Kempff2 (ALL), Kissin (14), Klien (8-14-23),
        Kovacevich (ALL), Kraus (21+30), Kuerti (ALL), Laredo (3-20-23-26), Lewis (ALL), Lill (ALL),
        Lipkin (ALL), Lortie (ALL except 22-23-24-25-27-30-31-32), Lupu (8-14-21),
        Michelangeli 1981 (11-12), 1990 (32), Morovec (8-14-23-26-27), Nat (ALL), Nikolayeva
        (ALL), Novaes (17-21-26), O'Conor (ALL), Ogdon (8-14-23), Ohlsson (2-3-4-8-9-10-
        12-14-15-21-24-25-26-27-28-32), Oland (ALL), Oppitz (ALL), Ortiz (8-14-17-21),
        Paik (16 to 26), Perahia (1-2-3-7-17-18-23-26-28), Perl (ALL), Pires 1973 (8-14-17-
        23), 2001 (13-14-30), Pletnev (32), Pollini studio (ALL except 4-9-10-16-18-19-20),
        Pollini live (21-23-24), Richter studio (1-3-4-7-8-9-10-11-12-17-19-20-22-23-27),
        Richter live Prague (3-7-12-17-18-23-27-28-29-31), Moscow (3-4-8-17-18-23-27-
        28-30-31-32), Carnegie (3-7-9-12-17-18-22-23-27-29-31), Bucharest (7-12),
        Polling (6-7-17-18), Paris (6-7-17-18), Helsinki (7), Aldeburgh (3+29), Ohrid (28+30),
        Tokyo (31-32), Leipzig (30-31-32), London (11+29), Brooklyn (18), Munich (10+12),
        Rellingen (32), Kreuth (11), Amsterdam (19-20-22-23), Ludwigsberg (30-31-32), Roberts
        (ALL), Rosen (27-28-29-30-31-32), Rubinstein 1954 (8-18-21-23), 1962-63 (3-8-14-
        23-26), 1975 (18), Sandorskaya (29), Schiff (1 to 21), Schnabel (ALL), Serkin (1945-60) (8-
        14-21-23-24-30-31), (1962-80)(1-6-8-11-12-13-14-16-21-23-24-26-28-29-30-
        31-32), live (1987) (30-31-32), Sheppard (ALL), Solomon (1-3-7-8-13-14-17-18-21-
        22-23-26-27-28-29-30-31-32), Taub (5-6-7-8-16-28), Uchida (30-31-32), Vogel
        (29+32), Watts (13-14-23), Wild (7-8-14-18-23-29)
        >
      • dmanildi
        ... the second one is the second best recording, etc. When a pianist has recorded more than one complete sonata cycle, they are distinguished by numbers.
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          --- In beethovensonatas@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Mathisen"
          <richard.mathisen@...> wrote:
          >
          > Preliminary Rankings:
          > Recordings of Beethoven Sonata #3, Op. 2, No. 3
          >
          > The first recording ("01") is considered to be the "best" recording,
          the second one is the second best recording, etc. When a pianist has
          recorded more than one complete sonata cycle, they are distinguished
          by numbers. "Alfred Brendel (3)" is the third complete cycle by Alfred
          Brendel. A complete list of recordings considered is shown at the end.
          >

          Would you please explain your exclusion of Murray Perahia's recording?
          And I think that the absence of any of Michelangeli's performances of
          this sonata also badly skews the lineup. Also, I cannot agree that
          Pollini has much to offer in this work...consistent with most of his
          Beethoven recordings.

          D.Manildi
        • Richard Mathisen
          Donald, Perahia s recordings of Op 2-1 and Op 2-2 were both ranked highly by me. His release of the three sonatas of Opus 2 ocurrred quite late in my
          Message 4 of 21 , Feb 5, 2009
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            Donald,
             
            Perahia's recordings of Op 2-1 and Op 2-2 were both ranked highly by me. His release of the three sonatas of Opus 2 ocurrred quite late in my comparison efforts. His recording of Op 2-3 started at #7 in my first listening and dropped to #14 in my second listening. It dropped still further to #19 in my final ranking as of July, 2008, which put it off the "Top 15" list. My notes seem to indicate the problem was with a very slow tempo in the slow movement.
             
            I agree that Michelangeli needs to be included. I became aware of his recordings after I had completed these rankings.  I now have five of his nine recordings. By far the best of the ones I have is the 1941 version, which is extraordinary. It belongs on any short list, despite its problems with sound quality. The next best seems to be the 1970 one from Bonn. The ones I'm missing are Warsaw (March 13 1955), Turin (1962), New York (January 21 1966) and Paris (November 11 1975). Anyone who can help me locate copies of those is encouraged to contact me offline.
             
            My reaction to Pollini in Beethoven is mixed. I'm unhappy with this recording of Op 2-3 because of the reverberent acoustic which tends to muddy the passagework. Some of his Beethoven recordings are pretty bad, such as Op 10-1. Others, like his set of the last five sonatas, I consider excellent.
             
            In response to Karl's comment about Brendel being ranked ahead of Richter as a typo, I would agree that in general I'm a Richter fan. In this case, we are talking about specific recordings -- Brendel's second recording of Op 2-3. It's necessary to compare the two recordings head-to-head. The problem with the Richter recordings of Op 2-3 is the rather slow tempo in the third movement (marked "Scherzo: Allegro").
             
            I would be delighted to have any members of the group list their favorite recordings of Op 2-3!
             
            Dick Mathisen
             
             
             
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: dmanildi
            Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 9:23 AM
            Subject: [beethovensonatas] Re: Rankings of Sonata #3, Op 2, No. 3

            --- In beethovensonatas@ yahoogroups. com, "Richard Mathisen"
            <richard.mathisen@ ...> wrote:
            >
            > Preliminary Rankings:
            > Recordings of Beethoven Sonata #3, Op. 2, No. 3
            >
            > The first recording ("01") is considered to be the "best" recording,
            the second one is the second best recording, etc. When a pianist has
            recorded more than one complete sonata cycle, they are distinguished
            by numbers. "Alfred Brendel (3)" is the third complete cycle by Alfred
            Brendel. A complete list of recordings considered is shown at the end.
            >

            Would you please explain your exclusion of Murray Perahia's recording?
            And I think that the absence of any of Michelangeli' s performances of
            this sonata also badly skews the lineup. Also, I cannot agree that
            Pollini has much to offer in this work...consistent with most of his
            Beethoven recordings.

            D.Manildi

          • petermlyon
            Thanks for your listing. I was initially horrified that you excluded Michelangeli. I had been anticipating some hostility to his recordings but you have
            Message 5 of 21 , Feb 5, 2009
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              Thanks for your listing. I was initially horrified that you excluded Michelangeli. I had been anticipating some hostility to his recordings but you have addressed that. In these days of multi-media are you only comparing CD versions. Because IMHO the two Michelangeli recordings of Op.2/3  availalable on DVD. One from Canada on a disk with Richter and the old black and white Italian studio recordings are superb. I see no reason not to compare these to CDs. You don't have to watch them. Just listen! Best, Peter Lyon
            • dmanildi
              ... me. His release of the three sonatas of Opus 2 ocurrred quite late in my comparison efforts. His recording of Op 2-3 started at #7 in my first listening
              Message 6 of 21 , Feb 6, 2009
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                --- In beethovensonatas@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Mathisen"
                <richard.mathisen@...> wrote:
                >
                > Donald,
                >
                > Perahia's recordings of Op 2-1 and Op 2-2 were both ranked highly by
                me. His release of the three sonatas of Opus 2 ocurrred quite late in
                my comparison efforts. His recording of Op 2-3 started at #7 in my
                first listening and dropped to #14 in my second listening. It dropped
                still further to #19 in my final ranking as of July, 2008, which put
                it off the "Top 15" list. My notes seem to indicate the problem was
                with a very slow tempo in the slow movement.

                Well, Dick, I think it should be pointed out that Gilels and
                Ashkenazy, to name two, are significantly slower than Perahia in the
                second movement, and that fact evidently didn't disqualify them.

                D.Manildi
              • wkasimer@comcast.net
                ... I lack the comprehensive collections that Dick and others possess, but of those I own and have listened to over the past day or two, Gilels and Richter
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                  ----- "Richard Mathisen" <richard.mathisen@...> wrote:

                  > I would be delighted to have any members of the group list their
                  > favorite recordings of Op 2-3!

                  I lack the comprehensive collections that Dick and others possess, but of those I own and have listened to over the past day or two, Gilels and Richter (the Prague recording) stand above the rest (I also listened to Nat, Brautigam, Lucchesini, Gould, Gelber, Fischer, Schiff, Kempff 2, and Schnabel; there are several others that I haven't gotten to yet) for their combination of passion, drama, and fluency. I particularly like Gilel's slow, hushed playing of the second movement. Lucchesini's live recording is also excellent. Most of the others were a little too "low-key" in the outer movements. I was disappointed by Fischer, mostly because she seems to labor over the last movement.

                  Bill

                  =============
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                  wkasimer@...
                  william_kasimer_md@...
                • Kirk McElhearn
                  ... I ve never heard Fischer, but saying she seems to labor over the last movement is kind of interesting, since, if I understand correctly, her recordings
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                    On Feb 6, 2009, at 4:45 PM, wkasimer@... wrote:

                    > I was disappointed by Fischer, mostly because she seems to labor
                    > over the last movement.

                    I've never heard Fischer, but saying she "seems to labor over the last
                    movement" is kind of interesting, since, if I understand correctly,
                    her recordings are just lots of splices of different bits, hence there
                    is little real continuity...


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                  • wkasimer@comcast.net
                    ... I listened to Gilels right after Gould, so he didn t seem so slow. I bought my copy of the Gould used, and the only mark that the previous owner made in
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                      ----- "dmanildi" <godowsky@...> wrote:

                      > Well, Dick, I think it should be pointed out that Gilels and
                      > Ashkenazy, to name two, are significantly slower than Perahia in the
                      > second movement, and that fact evidently didn't disqualify them.

                      I listened to Gilels right after Gould, so he didn't seem so slow.

                      I bought my copy of the Gould used, and the only mark that the previous owner made in the booklet was a "!!!" next to the Adagio of this sonata, which Gould stretches to.....over twelve minutes. Gilels is a comparatively brisk 8:50.

                      Bill
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                      wkasimer@...
                      william_kasimer_md@...
                    • klavierneuling
                      Hello dear specialists! Of course there is Richter and Gilels and Michelangeli and then there is the rest. I am glad some of you see it somehow like that,
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                        Hello dear specialists!

                        Of course there is Richter and Gilels and Michelangeli and then
                        there is the rest. I am glad some of you see it somehow like that, too.
                        (Glenn Gould should have been prevented by the police from touching
                        Beethoven...)

                        As to 'speed': did you really think a stopwatch was a proper tool to
                        determine good piano playing?

                        KHI


                        --- In beethovensonatas@yahoogroups.com, wkasimer@... wrote:
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > ----- "dmanildi" <godowsky@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > > Well, Dick, I think it should be pointed out that Gilels and
                        > > Ashkenazy, to name two, are significantly slower than Perahia in the
                        > > second movement, and that fact evidently didn't disqualify them.
                        >
                        > I listened to Gilels right after Gould, so he didn't seem so slow.
                        >
                        > I bought my copy of the Gould used, and the only mark that the previous owner made
                        in the booklet was a "!!!" next to the Adagio of this sonata, which Gould stretches
                        to.....over twelve minutes. Gilels is a comparatively brisk 8:50.
                        >
                        > Bill
                        > =============
                        > William D. Kasimer
                        > wkasimer@...
                        > william_kasimer_md@...
                        >
                      • gperkins151
                        Hi Dick and group, My picks for this work, in order: 1. Goode/Gulda Tie 2. Gilels 3. Kempff (m) 4. Backhaus 5. Barenboim 6. Solomon (Pearl) 7. Kovacevich 8.
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                          Hi Dick and group,

                          My picks for this work, in order:

                          1. Goode/Gulda Tie
                          2. Gilels
                          3. Kempff (m)
                          4. Backhaus
                          5. Barenboim
                          6. Solomon (Pearl)
                          7. Kovacevich
                          8. Solomon (Testament)
                          9. Nat

                          This is one work where I feel Annie Fischer does not do well.

                          George


                          --- In beethovensonatas@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Mathisen"
                          <richard.mathisen@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > Preliminary Rankings:
                          > Recordings of Beethoven Sonata #3, Op. 2, No. 3
                          >
                          > The first recording ("01") is considered to be the "best" recording,
                          the second one is the second best recording, etc. When a pianist has
                          recorded more than one complete sonata cycle, they are distinguished
                          by numbers. "Alfred Brendel (3)" is the third complete cycle by Alfred
                          Brendel. A complete list of recordings considered is shown at the end.
                          >
                          > Op 2, No. 3
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > 01 Claude Frank
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > 02 Alfred Brendel (2)
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > 03 Sviatoslav Richter Prague 6/2/75
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > 04 Vladimir Ashkenazy
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > 05 Artur Rubinstein 1963
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > 06 Richard Goode
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > 07 Emil Gilels
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > 08 Sviatoslav Richter Studio
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > 09 Maurizio Pollini
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > 10 Seymour Lipkin
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > 11 Paul Badura-Skoda (1)
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > 12 Annie Fischer
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > 13 Bernard Roberts
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > 14 Jeno Jando
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > 15 Gerhard Oppitz
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Dick Mathisen
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Note: The list of recordings considered, shown below, is a list of
                          all my recordings of all 32 sonatas, not only recordings of Op 2-3.
                          The sonatas are identified by number. Op 2-3 would be indicated as #3.
                          >
                          > Recordings Considered: Anda (7-14-28), Arrau (1962-66)(ALL), 1949
                          (21+26), (1984-94)(1-2-8-16-21-22-24-25-26-30), Ashkenazy
                          (1974-80)(ALL), Ashkenazy (1988-91)(14-21-23-28-30-31-32), Backhaus1
                          (ALL), Backhaus2 (ALL), Backhaus Carnegie (8-14-17-25-26-29-32),
                          Backhaus Salzburg (12-14-17-26), Badura-Skoda1 (1970's) (ALL),
                          Barenboim1 (ALL), Barenboim2 (ALL), Barenboim3 (ALL), Berman (23),
                          Brendel1 (ALL), Brendel2 (ALL), Brendel3 (ALL), Brendel Live (24+29),
                          Buchbinder (ALL), Casadesus (2-14-23-24-26-28), Ciani (ALL), Cliburn
                          (8-14-23-26), DeLarrocha (15), Douglas (29), Egorov (28), Eschenbach
                          (29-30-31-32), Feltsman (30-31-32), Firkusny (8-14-21-30), Annie
                          Fischer (ALL), Francois (8-14-23), Frank (ALL), Freire (14-21-26-31),
                          Gelber (3-5-8-20), Gieseking 1949-50 (ALL except 4-5-7-20-22), 1951
                          (21+23), 1955-56 (1 to 14, 17-18-19-20-30-31), Gilels (ALL except
                          1-9-22-24-32), Gilels Live 1969 (14), 1984 (29), Goldsmith
                          (5-17-21-31), Goode (ALL), Grimaud (28-30-31), Gulda1 (ALL), Gulda2
                          (ALL), Hamelin (30-31-32), Haskil 1955 (17-18), 1960 (17-18), Salzburg
                          (18), Pristine (18), "Hatto" (ALL), Heidsieck (ALL), Hewitt
                          (3-4-7-8-15-23), Horowitz 1946 (14), 1956-59 (7-14-21-23), 1963?-1972
                          (8-14-21-23-28), Horszowski 1977 (2-5-10-30), 19xx? (30-31-32), Jando
                          (ALL), Kempff1 (ALL), Kempff2 (ALL), Kissin (14), Klien (8-14-23),
                          Kovacevich (ALL), Kraus (21+30), Kuerti (ALL), Laredo (3-20-23-26),
                          Lewis (ALL), Lill (ALL), Lipkin (ALL), Lortie (ALL except
                          22-23-24-25-27-30-31-32), Lupu (8-14-21), Michelangeli 1981 (11-12),
                          1990 (32), Morovec (8-14-23-26-27), Nat (ALL), Nikolayeva (ALL),
                          Novaes (17-21-26), O'Conor (ALL), Ogdon (8-14-23), Ohlsson
                          (2-3-4-8-9-10-12-14-15-21-24-25-26-27-28-32), Oland (ALL), Oppitz
                          (ALL), Ortiz (8-14-17-21), Paik (16 to 26), Perahia
                          (1-2-3-7-17-18-23-26-28), Perl (ALL), Pires 1973 (8-14-17-23), 2001
                          (13-14-30), Pletnev (32), Pollini studio (ALL except
                          4-9-10-16-18-19-20), Pollini live (21-23-24), Richter studio
                          (1-3-4-7-8-9-10-11-12-17-19-20-22-23-27), Richter live Prague
                          (3-7-12-17-18-23-27-28-29-31), Moscow (3-4-8-17-18-23-27-28-30-31-32),
                          Carnegie (3-7-9-12-17-18-22-23-27-29-31), Bucharest (7-12), Polling
                          (6-7-17-18), Paris (6-7-17-18), Helsinki (7), Aldeburgh (3+29), Ohrid
                          (28+30), Tokyo (31-32), Leipzig (30-31-32), London (11+29), Brooklyn
                          (18), Munich (10+12), Rellingen (32), Kreuth (11), Amsterdam
                          (19-20-22-23), Ludwigsberg (30-31-32), Roberts (ALL), Rosen
                          (27-28-29-30-31-32), Rubinstein 1954 (8-18-21-23), 1962-63
                          (3-8-14-23-26), 1975 (18), Sandorskaya (29), Schiff (1 to 21),
                          Schnabel (ALL), Serkin (1945-60) (8-14-21-23-24-30-31),
                          (1962-80)(1-6-8-11-12-13-14-16-21-23-24-26-28-29-30-31-32), live
                          (1987) (30-31-32), Sheppard (ALL), Solomon
                          (1-3-7-8-13-14-17-18-21-22-23-26-27-28-29-30-31-32), Taub
                          (5-6-7-8-16-28), Uchida (30-31-32), Vogel (29+32), Watts (13-14-23),
                          Wild (7-8-14-18-23-29)
                          >
                        • richardmathisen
                          George, Thanks for your favorites! Are there two different Solomon recordings? Or are they the same recording with different sound qualities? If there s a
                          Message 12 of 21 , Feb 7, 2009
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                            George,

                            Thanks for your favorites!

                            Are there two different Solomon recordings? Or are they the same
                            recording with different sound qualities? If there's a second
                            recording floating around out there, I'd love to know about it.

                            I don't recall whether you have the Rubinstein recording of this work.

                            The Rubinstein recording has a minor but noticeable textual error in
                            the left hand in measure 20 of the first movement. (Annie Fischer
                            uses the same incorrect textual reading.)

                            I can see that the Richter recording of this sonata is not one of
                            your favorites!

                            Dick Mathisen



                            --- In beethovensonatas@yahoogroups.com, "gperkins151"
                            <gperkins151@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > Hi Dick and group,
                            >
                            > My picks for this work, in order:
                            >
                            > 1. Goode/Gulda Tie
                            > 2. Gilels
                            > 3. Kempff (m)
                            > 4. Backhaus
                            > 5. Barenboim
                            > 6. Solomon (Pearl)
                            > 7. Kovacevich
                            > 8. Solomon (Testament)
                            > 9. Nat
                            >
                            > This is one work where I feel Annie Fischer does not do well.
                            >
                            > George
                            >
                            >
                            > --- In beethovensonatas@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Mathisen"
                            > <richard.mathisen@> wrote:
                            > >
                            > > Preliminary Rankings:
                            > > Recordings of Beethoven Sonata #3, Op. 2, No. 3
                            > >
                            > > The first recording ("01") is considered to be the "best"
                            recording,
                            > the second one is the second best recording, etc. When a pianist
                            has
                            > recorded more than one complete sonata cycle, they are distinguished
                            > by numbers. "Alfred Brendel (3)" is the third complete cycle by
                            Alfred
                            > Brendel. A complete list of recordings considered is shown at the
                            end.
                            > >
                            > > Op 2, No. 3
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > 01 Claude Frank
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > 02 Alfred Brendel (2)
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > 03 Sviatoslav Richter Prague 6/2/75
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > 04 Vladimir Ashkenazy
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > 05 Artur Rubinstein 1963
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > 06 Richard Goode
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > 07 Emil Gilels
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > 08 Sviatoslav Richter Studio
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > 09 Maurizio Pollini
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > 10 Seymour Lipkin
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > 11 Paul Badura-Skoda (1)
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > 12 Annie Fischer
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > 13 Bernard Roberts
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > 14 Jeno Jando
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > 15 Gerhard Oppitz
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > Dick Mathisen
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > Note: The list of recordings considered, shown below, is a list of
                            > all my recordings of all 32 sonatas, not only recordings of Op 2-3.
                            > The sonatas are identified by number. Op 2-3 would be indicated as
                            #3.
                            > >
                            > > Recordings Considered: Anda (7-14-28), Arrau (1962-66)(ALL), 1949
                            > (21+26), (1984-94)(1-2-8-16-21-22-24-25-26-30), Ashkenazy
                            > (1974-80)(ALL), Ashkenazy (1988-91)(14-21-23-28-30-31-32), Backhaus1
                            > (ALL), Backhaus2 (ALL), Backhaus Carnegie (8-14-17-25-26-29-32),
                            > Backhaus Salzburg (12-14-17-26), Badura-Skoda1 (1970's) (ALL),
                            > Barenboim1 (ALL), Barenboim2 (ALL), Barenboim3 (ALL), Berman (23),
                            > Brendel1 (ALL), Brendel2 (ALL), Brendel3 (ALL), Brendel Live
                            (24+29),
                            > Buchbinder (ALL), Casadesus (2-14-23-24-26-28), Ciani (ALL), Cliburn
                            > (8-14-23-26), DeLarrocha (15), Douglas (29), Egorov (28), Eschenbach
                            > (29-30-31-32), Feltsman (30-31-32), Firkusny (8-14-21-30), Annie
                            > Fischer (ALL), Francois (8-14-23), Frank (ALL), Freire (14-21-26-
                            31),
                            > Gelber (3-5-8-20), Gieseking 1949-50 (ALL except 4-5-7-20-22), 1951
                            > (21+23), 1955-56 (1 to 14, 17-18-19-20-30-31), Gilels (ALL except
                            > 1-9-22-24-32), Gilels Live 1969 (14), 1984 (29), Goldsmith
                            > (5-17-21-31), Goode (ALL), Grimaud (28-30-31), Gulda1 (ALL), Gulda2
                            > (ALL), Hamelin (30-31-32), Haskil 1955 (17-18), 1960 (17-18),
                            Salzburg
                            > (18), Pristine (18), "Hatto" (ALL), Heidsieck (ALL), Hewitt
                            > (3-4-7-8-15-23), Horowitz 1946 (14), 1956-59 (7-14-21-23), 1963?-
                            1972
                            > (8-14-21-23-28), Horszowski 1977 (2-5-10-30), 19xx? (30-31-32),
                            Jando
                            > (ALL), Kempff1 (ALL), Kempff2 (ALL), Kissin (14), Klien (8-14-23),
                            > Kovacevich (ALL), Kraus (21+30), Kuerti (ALL), Laredo (3-20-23-26),
                            > Lewis (ALL), Lill (ALL), Lipkin (ALL), Lortie (ALL except
                            > 22-23-24-25-27-30-31-32), Lupu (8-14-21), Michelangeli 1981 (11-12),
                            > 1990 (32), Morovec (8-14-23-26-27), Nat (ALL), Nikolayeva (ALL),
                            > Novaes (17-21-26), O'Conor (ALL), Ogdon (8-14-23), Ohlsson
                            > (2-3-4-8-9-10-12-14-15-21-24-25-26-27-28-32), Oland (ALL), Oppitz
                            > (ALL), Ortiz (8-14-17-21), Paik (16 to 26), Perahia
                            > (1-2-3-7-17-18-23-26-28), Perl (ALL), Pires 1973 (8-14-17-23), 2001
                            > (13-14-30), Pletnev (32), Pollini studio (ALL except
                            > 4-9-10-16-18-19-20), Pollini live (21-23-24), Richter studio
                            > (1-3-4-7-8-9-10-11-12-17-19-20-22-23-27), Richter live Prague
                            > (3-7-12-17-18-23-27-28-29-31), Moscow (3-4-8-17-18-23-27-28-30-31-
                            32),
                            > Carnegie (3-7-9-12-17-18-22-23-27-29-31), Bucharest (7-12), Polling
                            > (6-7-17-18), Paris (6-7-17-18), Helsinki (7), Aldeburgh (3+29),
                            Ohrid
                            > (28+30), Tokyo (31-32), Leipzig (30-31-32), London (11+29), Brooklyn
                            > (18), Munich (10+12), Rellingen (32), Kreuth (11), Amsterdam
                            > (19-20-22-23), Ludwigsberg (30-31-32), Roberts (ALL), Rosen
                            > (27-28-29-30-31-32), Rubinstein 1954 (8-18-21-23), 1962-63
                            > (3-8-14-23-26), 1975 (18), Sandorskaya (29), Schiff (1 to 21),
                            > Schnabel (ALL), Serkin (1945-60) (8-14-21-23-24-30-31),
                            > (1962-80)(1-6-8-11-12-13-14-16-21-23-24-26-28-29-30-31-32), live
                            > (1987) (30-31-32), Sheppard (ALL), Solomon
                            > (1-3-7-8-13-14-17-18-21-22-23-26-27-28-29-30-31-32), Taub
                            > (5-6-7-8-16-28), Uchida (30-31-32), Vogel (29+32), Watts (13-14-23),
                            > Wild (7-8-14-18-23-29)
                            > >
                            >
                          • gperkins151
                            Yes, I believe that there are two Solomon recordings of this sonata. The Pearl CD was something I came across in a store last year. No, I don t have the
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                              Yes, I believe that there are two Solomon recordings of this sonata.
                              The Pearl CD was something I came across in a store last year.

                              No, I don't have the Rubinstein, but what I have heard of his
                              Beethoven doesn't encourage me to seek it out. Other than an
                              incredible opening movement in the Moonlight Sonata, I haven't been
                              too impressed with his Beethoven.

                              Haven't heard the Richter either, though I plan to buy the Regis CD
                              that has a Richter Op. 2, No 3 soon. I expect him to be among my
                              favorites.

                              George





                              --- In beethovensonatas@yahoogroups.com, "richardmathisen"
                              <richard.mathisen@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > George,
                              >
                              > Thanks for your favorites!
                              >
                              > Are there two different Solomon recordings? Or are they the same
                              > recording with different sound qualities? If there's a second
                              > recording floating around out there, I'd love to know about it.
                              >
                              > I don't recall whether you have the Rubinstein recording of this work.
                              >
                              > The Rubinstein recording has a minor but noticeable textual error in
                              > the left hand in measure 20 of the first movement. (Annie Fischer
                              > uses the same incorrect textual reading.)
                              >
                              > I can see that the Richter recording of this sonata is not one of
                              > your favorites!
                              >
                              > Dick Mathisen
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > --- In beethovensonatas@yahoogroups.com, "gperkins151"
                              > <gperkins151@> wrote:
                              > >
                              > > Hi Dick and group,
                              > >
                              > > My picks for this work, in order:
                              > >
                              > > 1. Goode/Gulda Tie
                              > > 2. Gilels
                              > > 3. Kempff (m)
                              > > 4. Backhaus
                              > > 5. Barenboim
                              > > 6. Solomon (Pearl)
                              > > 7. Kovacevich
                              > > 8. Solomon (Testament)
                              > > 9. Nat
                              > >
                              > > This is one work where I feel Annie Fischer does not do well.
                              > >
                              > > George
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > --- In beethovensonatas@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Mathisen"
                              > > <richard.mathisen@> wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > Preliminary Rankings:
                              > > > Recordings of Beethoven Sonata #3, Op. 2, No. 3
                              > > >
                              > > > The first recording ("01") is considered to be the "best"
                              > recording,
                              > > the second one is the second best recording, etc. When a pianist
                              > has
                              > > recorded more than one complete sonata cycle, they are distinguished
                              > > by numbers. "Alfred Brendel (3)" is the third complete cycle by
                              > Alfred
                              > > Brendel. A complete list of recordings considered is shown at the
                              > end.
                              > > >
                              > > > Op 2, No. 3
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > 01 Claude Frank
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > 02 Alfred Brendel (2)
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > 03 Sviatoslav Richter Prague 6/2/75
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > 04 Vladimir Ashkenazy
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > 05 Artur Rubinstein 1963
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > 06 Richard Goode
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > 07 Emil Gilels
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > 08 Sviatoslav Richter Studio
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > 09 Maurizio Pollini
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > 10 Seymour Lipkin
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > 11 Paul Badura-Skoda (1)
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > 12 Annie Fischer
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > 13 Bernard Roberts
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > 14 Jeno Jando
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > 15 Gerhard Oppitz
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > Dick Mathisen
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > Note: The list of recordings considered, shown below, is a list of
                              > > all my recordings of all 32 sonatas, not only recordings of Op 2-3.
                              > > The sonatas are identified by number. Op 2-3 would be indicated as
                              > #3.
                              > > >
                              > > > Recordings Considered: Anda (7-14-28), Arrau (1962-66)(ALL), 1949
                              > > (21+26), (1984-94)(1-2-8-16-21-22-24-25-26-30), Ashkenazy
                              > > (1974-80)(ALL), Ashkenazy (1988-91)(14-21-23-28-30-31-32), Backhaus1
                              > > (ALL), Backhaus2 (ALL), Backhaus Carnegie (8-14-17-25-26-29-32),
                              > > Backhaus Salzburg (12-14-17-26), Badura-Skoda1 (1970's) (ALL),
                              > > Barenboim1 (ALL), Barenboim2 (ALL), Barenboim3 (ALL), Berman (23),
                              > > Brendel1 (ALL), Brendel2 (ALL), Brendel3 (ALL), Brendel Live
                              > (24+29),
                              > > Buchbinder (ALL), Casadesus (2-14-23-24-26-28), Ciani (ALL), Cliburn
                              > > (8-14-23-26), DeLarrocha (15), Douglas (29), Egorov (28), Eschenbach
                              > > (29-30-31-32), Feltsman (30-31-32), Firkusny (8-14-21-30), Annie
                              > > Fischer (ALL), Francois (8-14-23), Frank (ALL), Freire (14-21-26-
                              > 31),
                              > > Gelber (3-5-8-20), Gieseking 1949-50 (ALL except 4-5-7-20-22), 1951
                              > > (21+23), 1955-56 (1 to 14, 17-18-19-20-30-31), Gilels (ALL except
                              > > 1-9-22-24-32), Gilels Live 1969 (14), 1984 (29), Goldsmith
                              > > (5-17-21-31), Goode (ALL), Grimaud (28-30-31), Gulda1 (ALL), Gulda2
                              > > (ALL), Hamelin (30-31-32), Haskil 1955 (17-18), 1960 (17-18),
                              > Salzburg
                              > > (18), Pristine (18), "Hatto" (ALL), Heidsieck (ALL), Hewitt
                              > > (3-4-7-8-15-23), Horowitz 1946 (14), 1956-59 (7-14-21-23), 1963?-
                              > 1972
                              > > (8-14-21-23-28), Horszowski 1977 (2-5-10-30), 19xx? (30-31-32),
                              > Jando
                              > > (ALL), Kempff1 (ALL), Kempff2 (ALL), Kissin (14), Klien (8-14-23),
                              > > Kovacevich (ALL), Kraus (21+30), Kuerti (ALL), Laredo (3-20-23-26),
                              > > Lewis (ALL), Lill (ALL), Lipkin (ALL), Lortie (ALL except
                              > > 22-23-24-25-27-30-31-32), Lupu (8-14-21), Michelangeli 1981 (11-12),
                              > > 1990 (32), Morovec (8-14-23-26-27), Nat (ALL), Nikolayeva (ALL),
                              > > Novaes (17-21-26), O'Conor (ALL), Ogdon (8-14-23), Ohlsson
                              > > (2-3-4-8-9-10-12-14-15-21-24-25-26-27-28-32), Oland (ALL), Oppitz
                              > > (ALL), Ortiz (8-14-17-21), Paik (16 to 26), Perahia
                              > > (1-2-3-7-17-18-23-26-28), Perl (ALL), Pires 1973 (8-14-17-23), 2001
                              > > (13-14-30), Pletnev (32), Pollini studio (ALL except
                              > > 4-9-10-16-18-19-20), Pollini live (21-23-24), Richter studio
                              > > (1-3-4-7-8-9-10-11-12-17-19-20-22-23-27), Richter live Prague
                              > > (3-7-12-17-18-23-27-28-29-31), Moscow (3-4-8-17-18-23-27-28-30-31-
                              > 32),
                              > > Carnegie (3-7-9-12-17-18-22-23-27-29-31), Bucharest (7-12), Polling
                              > > (6-7-17-18), Paris (6-7-17-18), Helsinki (7), Aldeburgh (3+29),
                              > Ohrid
                              > > (28+30), Tokyo (31-32), Leipzig (30-31-32), London (11+29), Brooklyn
                              > > (18), Munich (10+12), Rellingen (32), Kreuth (11), Amsterdam
                              > > (19-20-22-23), Ludwigsberg (30-31-32), Roberts (ALL), Rosen
                              > > (27-28-29-30-31-32), Rubinstein 1954 (8-18-21-23), 1962-63
                              > > (3-8-14-23-26), 1975 (18), Sandorskaya (29), Schiff (1 to 21),
                              > > Schnabel (ALL), Serkin (1945-60) (8-14-21-23-24-30-31),
                              > > (1962-80)(1-6-8-11-12-13-14-16-21-23-24-26-28-29-30-31-32), live
                              > > (1987) (30-31-32), Sheppard (ALL), Solomon
                              > > (1-3-7-8-13-14-17-18-21-22-23-26-27-28-29-30-31-32), Taub
                              > > (5-6-7-8-16-28), Uchida (30-31-32), Vogel (29+32), Watts (13-14-23),
                              > > Wild (7-8-14-18-23-29)
                              > > >
                              > >
                              >
                            • rpy1111@aol.com
                              There are 2 Solomon recordings but the live one is on APR. Robert Y In a message dated 2/7/2009 10:02:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
                              Message 14 of 21 , Feb 7, 2009
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                                There are 2 Solomon recordings but the live one is on APR.
                                 
                                Robert Y
                                 
                                In a message dated 2/7/2009 10:02:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, richard.mathisen@... writes:
                                George,

                                Thanks for your favorites!

                                Are there two different Solomon recordings? Or are they the same
                                recording with different sound qualities? If there's a second
                                recording floating around out there, I'd love to know about it.

                                I don't recall whether you have the Rubinstein recording of this work.

                                The Rubinstein recording has a minor but noticeable textual error in
                                the left hand in measure 20 of the first movement. (Annie Fischer
                                uses the same incorrect textual reading.)

                                I can see that the Richter recording of this sonata is not one of
                                your favorites!

                                Dick Mathisen



                                --- In beethovensonatas@yahoogroups.com, "gperkins151"
                                <gperkins151@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > Hi Dick and group,
                                >
                                > My picks for this work, in order:
                                >
                                > 1. Goode/Gulda Tie
                                > 2. Gilels
                                > 3. Kempff (m)
                                > 4. Backhaus
                                > 5. Barenboim
                                > 6. Solomon (Pearl)
                                > 7. Kovacevich
                                > 8. Solomon (Testament)
                                > 9. Nat
                                >
                                > This is one work where I feel Annie Fischer does not do well.
                                >
                                > George

                                >
                                > --- In beethovensonatas@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Mathisen"
                                > <richard.mathisen@> wrote:
                                > >
                                > > Preliminary Rankings:
                                > > Recordings of Beethoven Sonata #3, Op. 2, No. 3
                                > >
                                > > The first recording ("01") is considered to be the "best"
                                recording,
                                > the second one is the second best recording, etc.  When a pianist
                                has
                                > recorded more than one complete sonata cycle, they are distinguished
                                > by numbers. "Alfred Brendel (3)" is the third complete cycle by
                                Alfred
                                > Brendel. A complete list of recordings considered is shown at the
                                end.
                                > >
                                > > Op 2, No. 3
                                > >
                                > > 
                                > >
                                > >             01        Claude Frank
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >             02        Alfred Brendel (2)
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >             03        Sviatoslav Richter Prague 6/2/75
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >             04        Vladimir Ashkenazy     
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >             05        Artur Rubinstein 1963  
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >             06        Richard Goode
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >             07        Emil Gilels       
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >             08        Sviatoslav Richter Studio         
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >             09        Maurizio Pollini
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >             10        Seymour Lipkin           
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >             11        Paul Badura-Skoda (1)
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >             12        Annie Fischer  
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >             13        Bernard Roberts          
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >             14        Jeno Jando      
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >             15        Gerhard Oppitz           
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Dick Mathisen
                                > >
                                > > 
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Note: The list of recordings considered, shown below, is a list of
                                > all my recordings of all 32 sonatas, not only recordings of Op 2-3.
                                > The sonatas are identified by number. Op 2-3 would be indicated as
                                #3.
                                > >
                                > > Recordings Considered: Anda (7-14-28), Arrau (1962-66)(ALL), 1949
                                > (21+26), (1984-94)(1-2-8-16-21-22-24-25-26-30), Ashkenazy
                                > (1974-80)(ALL), Ashkenazy (1988-91)(14-21-23-28-30-31-32), Backhaus1
                                > (ALL), Backhaus2 (ALL), Backhaus Carnegie (8-14-17-25-26-29-32),
                                > Backhaus Salzburg (12-14-17-26), Badura-Skoda1 (1970's) (ALL),
                                > Barenboim1 (ALL), Barenboim2 (ALL), Barenboim3 (ALL), Berman (23),
                                > Brendel1 (ALL), Brendel2 (ALL), Brendel3 (ALL), Brendel Live
                                (24+29),
                                > Buchbinder (ALL), Casadesus (2-14-23-24-26-28), Ciani (ALL), Cliburn
                                > (8-14-23-26), DeLarrocha (15), Douglas (29), Egorov (28), Eschenbach
                                > (29-30-31-32), Feltsman (30-31-32), Firkusny (8-14-21-30), Annie
                                > Fischer (ALL), Francois (8-14-23), Frank (ALL), Freire (14-21-26-
                                31),
                                > Gelber (3-5-8-20), Gieseking 1949-50 (ALL except 4-5-7-20-22), 1951
                                > (21+23), 1955-56 (1 to 14, 17-18-19-20-30-31), Gilels (ALL except
                                > 1-9-22-24-32), Gilels Live 1969 (14), 1984 (29), Goldsmith
                                > (5-17-21-31), Goode (ALL), Grimaud (28-30-31), Gulda1 (ALL), Gulda2
                                > (ALL), Hamelin (30-31-32), Haskil 1955 (17-18), 1960 (17-18),
                                Salzburg
                                > (18), Pristine (18), "Hatto" (ALL), Heidsieck (ALL), Hewitt
                                > (3-4-7-8-15-23), Horowitz 1946 (14), 1956-59 (7-14-21-23), 1963?-
                                1972
                                >  (8-14-21-23-28), Horszowski 1977 (2-5-10-30), 19xx? (30-31-32),
                                Jando
                                > (ALL), Kempff1 (ALL), Kempff2 (ALL), Kissin (14), Klien (8-14-23),
                                > Kovacevich (ALL), Kraus (21+30), Kuerti (ALL), Laredo (3-20-23-26),
                                > Lewis (ALL), Lill (ALL), Lipkin (ALL), Lortie (ALL except
                                > 22-23-24-25-27-30-31-32), Lupu (8-14-21), Michelangeli 1981 (11-12),
                                > 1990 (32), Morovec (8-14-23-26-27), Nat (ALL), Nikolayeva (ALL),
                                > Novaes (17-21-26), O'Conor (ALL), Ogdon (8-14-23), Ohlsson
                                > (2-3-4-8-9-10-12-14-15-21-24-25-26-27-28-32), Oland (ALL), Oppitz
                                > (ALL), Ortiz (8-14-17-21), Paik (16 to 26), Perahia
                                > (1-2-3-7-17-18-23-26-28), Perl (ALL), Pires 1973 (8-14-17-23), 2001
                                > (13-14-30), Pletnev (32), Pollini studio (ALL except
                                > 4-9-10-16-18-19-20), Pollini live (21-23-24), Richter studio
                                > (1-3-4-7-8-9-10-11-12-17-19-20-22-23-27), Richter live Prague
                                > (3-7-12-17-18-23-27-28-29-31), Moscow (3-4-8-17-18-23-27-28-30-31-
                                32),
                                > Carnegie (3-7-9-12-17-18-22-23-27-29-31), Bucharest (7-12), Polling
                                > (6-7-17-18), Paris (6-7-17-18), Helsinki (7), Aldeburgh (3+29),
                                Ohrid
                                > (28+30), Tokyo (31-32), Leipzig (30-31-32), London (11+29), Brooklyn
                                > (18), Munich (10+12), Rellingen (32), Kreuth (11), Amsterdam
                                > (19-20-22-23), Ludwigsberg (30-31-32), Roberts (ALL), Rosen
                                > (27-28-29-30-31-32), Rubinstein 1954 (8-18-21-23), 1962-63
                                > (3-8-14-23-26), 1975 (18), Sandorskaya (29), Schiff (1 to 21),
                                > Schnabel (ALL), Serkin (1945-60) (8-14-21-23-24-30-31),
                                > (1962-80)(1-6-8-11-12-13-14-16-21-23-24-26-28-29-30-31-32), live
                                > (1987) (30-31-32), Sheppard (ALL), Solomon
                                > (1-3-7-8-13-14-17-18-21-22-23-26-27-28-29-30-31-32), Taub
                                > (5-6-7-8-16-28), Uchida (30-31-32), Vogel (29+32), Watts (13-14-23),
                                > Wild (7-8-14-18-23-29)
                                > >
                                >




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                              • Richard Mathisen
                                George, Rubinstein s Beethoven is uneven. You have to talk about specific recordings of specific sonatas from specific years. In my opinion, his Appassionata
                                Message 15 of 21 , Feb 7, 2009
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                                  George,
                                   
                                  Rubinstein's Beethoven is uneven. You have to talk about specific recordings of specific sonatas from specific years.
                                   
                                  In my opinion, his Appassionata from 1963 is excellent, although the other Appassionatas don't necessarily measure up. His Waldstein from 1954 is excellent, as is his Les Adieux from 1962.  His Pathetiques and the Moonlight have drawbacks. I could write an essay on his two recordings of La Chasse (Op 31-3), in which his first movement tempo started slower than anyone else and became even slower during the course of his career. I like his Op 2-3, although he (like Richter) takes the third movement Scherzo at a pretty slow tempo.
                                   
                                  Richter made six recordings of Op 2-3, according to Trovar -- the studio recording and five live recordings. I think the studio recording is better than any of the live recordings, except for the Prague one. The Aldeburgh recording, coupled with the Hammerklavier, is good but happens to be missing the repeat of the first movement exposition. (I attribute that to a memory lapse.)
                                   
                                  Dick Mathisen
                                   
                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 10:26 AM
                                  Subject: [beethovensonatas] Re: Rankings of Sonata #3, Op 2, No. 3

                                  Yes, I believe that there are two Solomon recordings of this sonata.
                                  The Pearl CD was something I came across in a store last year.

                                  No, I don't have the Rubinstein, but what I have heard of his
                                  Beethoven doesn't encourage me to seek it out. Other than an
                                  incredible opening movement in the Moonlight Sonata, I haven't been
                                  too impressed with his Beethoven.

                                  Haven't heard the Richter either, though I plan to buy the Regis CD
                                  that has a Richter Op. 2, No 3 soon. I expect him to be among my
                                  favorites.

                                  George

                                  --- In beethovensonatas@ yahoogroups. com, "richardmathisen"
                                  <richard.mathisen@ ...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > George,
                                  >
                                  > Thanks for your favorites!
                                  >
                                  > Are there two different Solomon recordings? Or are they the same
                                  > recording with different sound qualities? If there's a second
                                  > recording floating around out there, I'd love to know about it.
                                  >
                                  > I don't recall whether you have the Rubinstein recording of this work.
                                  >
                                  > The Rubinstein recording has a minor but noticeable textual error in
                                  > the left hand in measure 20 of the first movement. (Annie Fischer
                                  > uses the same incorrect textual reading.)
                                  >
                                  > I can see that the Richter recording of this sonata is not one of
                                  > your favorites!
                                  >
                                  > Dick Mathisen
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > --- In beethovensonatas@ yahoogroups. com, "gperkins151"
                                  > <gperkins151@ > wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > Hi Dick and group,
                                  > >
                                  > > My picks for this work, in order:
                                  > >
                                  > > 1. Goode/Gulda Tie
                                  > > 2. Gilels
                                  > > 3. Kempff (m)
                                  > > 4. Backhaus
                                  > > 5. Barenboim
                                  > > 6. Solomon (Pearl)
                                  > > 7. Kovacevich
                                  > > 8. Solomon (Testament)
                                  > > 9. Nat
                                  > >
                                  > > This is one work where I feel Annie Fischer does not do well.
                                  > >
                                  > > George
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > --- In beethovensonatas@ yahoogroups. com, "Richard Mathisen"
                                  > > <richard.mathisen@ > wrote:
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Preliminary Rankings:
                                  > > > Recordings of Beethoven Sonata #3, Op. 2, No. 3
                                  > > >
                                  > > > The first recording ("01") is considered to be the "best"
                                  > recording,
                                  > > the second one is the second best recording, etc. When a pianist
                                  > has
                                  > > recorded more than one complete sonata cycle, they are distinguished
                                  > > by numbers. "Alfred Brendel (3)" is the third complete cycle by
                                  > Alfred
                                  > > Brendel. A complete list of recordings considered is shown at the
                                  > end.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Op 2, No. 3
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > 01 Claude Frank
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > 02 Alfred Brendel (2)
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > 03 Sviatoslav Richter Prague 6/2/75
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > 04 Vladimir Ashkenazy
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > 05 Artur Rubinstein 1963
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > 06 Richard Goode
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > 07 Emil Gilels
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > 08 Sviatoslav Richter Studio
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > 09 Maurizio Pollini
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > 10 Seymour Lipkin
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > 11 Paul Badura-Skoda (1)
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > 12 Annie Fischer
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > 13 Bernard Roberts
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > 14 Jeno Jando
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > 15 Gerhard Oppitz
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Dick Mathisen
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Note: The list of recordings considered, shown below, is a list of
                                  > > all my recordings of all 32 sonatas, not only recordings of Op 2-3.
                                  > > The sonatas are identified by number. Op 2-3 would be indicated as
                                  > #3.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Recordings Considered: Anda (7-14-28), Arrau (1962-66)(ALL) , 1949
                                  > > (21+26), (1984-94)(1- 2-8-16-21- 22-24-25- 26-30), Ashkenazy
                                  > > (1974-80)(ALL) , Ashkenazy (1988-91)(14- 21-23-28- 30-31-32) , Backhaus1
                                  > > (ALL), Backhaus2 (ALL), Backhaus Carnegie (8-14-17-25- 26-29-32) ,
                                  > > Backhaus Salzburg (12-14-17-26) , Badura-Skoda1 (1970's) (ALL),
                                  > > Barenboim1 (ALL), Barenboim2 (ALL), Barenboim3 (ALL), Berman (23),
                                  > > Brendel1 (ALL), Brendel2 (ALL), Brendel3 (ALL), Brendel Live
                                  > (24+29),
                                  > > Buchbinder (ALL), Casadesus (2-14-23-24- 26-28), Ciani (ALL), Cliburn
                                  > > (8-14-23-26) , DeLarrocha (15), Douglas (29), Egorov (28), Eschenbach
                                  > > (29-30-31-32) , Feltsman (30-31-32), Firkusny (8-14-21-30) , Annie
                                  > > Fischer (ALL), Francois (8-14-23), Frank (ALL), Freire (14-21-26-
                                  > 31),
                                  > > Gelber (3-5-8-20), Gieseking 1949-50 (ALL except 4-5-7-20-22) , 1951
                                  > > (21+23), 1955-56 (1 to 14, 17-18-19-20- 30-31), Gilels (ALL except
                                  > > 1-9-22-24-32) , Gilels Live 1969 (14), 1984 (29), Goldsmith
                                  > > (5-17-21-31) , Goode (ALL), Grimaud (28-30-31), Gulda1 (ALL), Gulda2
                                  > > (ALL), Hamelin (30-31-32), Haskil 1955 (17-18), 1960 (17-18),
                                  > Salzburg
                                  > > (18), Pristine (18), "Hatto" (ALL), Heidsieck (ALL), Hewitt
                                  > > (3-4-7-8-15- 23), Horowitz 1946 (14), 1956-59 (7-14-21-23) , 1963?-
                                  > 1972
                                  > > (8-14-21-23- 28), Horszowski 1977 (2-5-10-30), 19xx? (30-31-32),
                                  > Jando
                                  > > (ALL), Kempff1 (ALL), Kempff2 (ALL), Kissin (14), Klien (8-14-23),
                                  > > Kovacevich (ALL), Kraus (21+30), Kuerti (ALL), Laredo (3-20-23-26) ,
                                  > > Lewis (ALL), Lill (ALL), Lipkin (ALL), Lortie (ALL except
                                  > > 22-23-24-25- 27-30-31- 32), Lupu (8-14-21), Michelangeli 1981 (11-12),
                                  > > 1990 (32), Morovec (8-14-23-26- 27), Nat (ALL), Nikolayeva (ALL),
                                  > > Novaes (17-21-26), O'Conor (ALL), Ogdon (8-14-23), Ohlsson
                                  > > (2-3-4-8-9-10- 12-14-15- 21-24-25- 26-27-28- 32), Oland (ALL), Oppitz
                                  > > (ALL), Ortiz (8-14-17-21) , Paik (16 to 26), Perahia
                                  > > (1-2-3-7-17- 18-23-26- 28), Perl (ALL), Pires 1973 (8-14-17-23) , 2001
                                  > > (13-14-30), Pletnev (32), Pollini studio (ALL except
                                  > > 4-9-10-16-18- 19-20), Pollini live (21-23-24), Richter studio
                                  > > (1-3-4-7-8-9- 10-11-12- 17-19-20- 22-23-27) , Richter live Prague
                                  > > (3-7-12-17-18- 23-27-28- 29-31), Moscow (3-4-8-17-18- 23-27-28- 30-31-
                                  > 32),
                                  > > Carnegie (3-7-9-12-17- 18-22-23- 27-29-31) , Bucharest (7-12), Polling
                                  > > (6-7-17-18), Paris (6-7-17-18), Helsinki (7), Aldeburgh (3+29),
                                  > Ohrid
                                  > > (28+30), Tokyo (31-32), Leipzig (30-31-32), London (11+29), Brooklyn
                                  > > (18), Munich (10+12), Rellingen (32), Kreuth (11), Amsterdam
                                  > > (19-20-22-23) , Ludwigsberg (30-31-32), Roberts (ALL), Rosen
                                  > > (27-28-29-30- 31-32), Rubinstein 1954 (8-18-21-23) , 1962-63
                                  > > (3-8-14-23-26) , 1975 (18), Sandorskaya (29), Schiff (1 to 21),
                                  > > Schnabel (ALL), Serkin (1945-60) (8-14-21-23- 24-30-31) ,
                                  > > (1962-80)(1- 6-8-11-12- 13-14-16- 21-23-24- 26-28-29- 30-31-32) , live
                                  > > (1987) (30-31-32), Sheppard (ALL), Solomon
                                  > > (1-3-7-8-13- 14-17-18- 21-22-23- 26-27-28- 29-30-31- 32), Taub
                                  > > (5-6-7-8-16- 28), Uchida (30-31-32), Vogel (29+32), Watts (13-14-23),
                                  > > Wild (7-8-14-18-23- 29)
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  >

                                • gperkins151
                                  The only Rubinstein Beethoven I have heard is the one with the popular sonatas on Living Stereo, which contains the 1963 Appassionata that you like. I do have
                                  Message 16 of 21 , Feb 8, 2009
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                                    The only Rubinstein Beethoven I have heard is the one with the popular
                                    sonatas on Living Stereo, which contains the 1963 Appassionata that
                                    you like.

                                    I do have that Praga Richter Op. 2, No. 3. (I have so much Richter I
                                    lose track sometimes.)I am listening to it now and it not only sounds
                                    great, it is performed great! I am only on the first movement, but I
                                    will report back once I have heard it all.

                                    George


                                    --- In beethovensonatas@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Mathisen"
                                    <richard.mathisen@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > George,
                                    >
                                    > Rubinstein's Beethoven is uneven. You have to talk about specific
                                    recordings of specific sonatas from specific years.
                                    >
                                    > In my opinion, his Appassionata from 1963 is excellent, although the
                                    other Appassionatas don't necessarily measure up. His Waldstein from
                                    1954 is excellent, as is his Les Adieux from 1962. His Pathetiques
                                    and the Moonlight have drawbacks. I could write an essay on his two
                                    recordings of La Chasse (Op 31-3), in which his first movement tempo
                                    started slower than anyone else and became even slower during the
                                    course of his career. I like his Op 2-3, although he (like Richter)
                                    takes the third movement Scherzo at a pretty slow tempo.
                                    >
                                    > Richter made six recordings of Op 2-3, according to Trovar -- the
                                    studio recording and five live recordings. I think the studio
                                    recording is better than any of the live recordings, except for the
                                    Prague one. The Aldeburgh recording, coupled with the Hammerklavier,
                                    is good but happens to be missing the repeat of the first movement
                                    exposition. (I attribute that to a memory lapse.)
                                    >
                                    > Dick Mathisen
                                    >
                                    > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > From: gperkins151
                                    > To: beethovensonatas@yahoogroups.com
                                    > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 10:26 AM
                                    > Subject: [beethovensonatas] Re: Rankings of Sonata #3, Op 2, No. 3
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Yes, I believe that there are two Solomon recordings of this sonata.
                                    > The Pearl CD was something I came across in a store last year.
                                    >
                                    > No, I don't have the Rubinstein, but what I have heard of his
                                    > Beethoven doesn't encourage me to seek it out. Other than an
                                    > incredible opening movement in the Moonlight Sonata, I haven't been
                                    > too impressed with his Beethoven.
                                    >
                                    > Haven't heard the Richter either, though I plan to buy the Regis CD
                                    > that has a Richter Op. 2, No 3 soon. I expect him to be among my
                                    > favorites.
                                    >
                                    > George
                                    >
                                    > --- In beethovensonatas@yahoogroups.com, "richardmathisen"
                                    > <richard.mathisen@> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > George,
                                    > >
                                    > > Thanks for your favorites!
                                    > >
                                    > > Are there two different Solomon recordings? Or are they the same
                                    > > recording with different sound qualities? If there's a second
                                    > > recording floating around out there, I'd love to know about it.
                                    > >
                                    > > I don't recall whether you have the Rubinstein recording of this
                                    work.
                                    > >
                                    > > The Rubinstein recording has a minor but noticeable textual
                                    error in
                                    > > the left hand in measure 20 of the first movement. (Annie Fischer
                                    > > uses the same incorrect textual reading.)
                                    > >
                                    > > I can see that the Richter recording of this sonata is not one of
                                    > > your favorites!
                                    > >
                                    > > Dick Mathisen
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > --- In beethovensonatas@yahoogroups.com, "gperkins151"
                                    > > <gperkins151@> wrote:
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Hi Dick and group,
                                    > > >
                                    > > > My picks for this work, in order:
                                    > > >
                                    > > > 1. Goode/Gulda Tie
                                    > > > 2. Gilels
                                    > > > 3. Kempff (m)
                                    > > > 4. Backhaus
                                    > > > 5. Barenboim
                                    > > > 6. Solomon (Pearl)
                                    > > > 7. Kovacevich
                                    > > > 8. Solomon (Testament)
                                    > > > 9. Nat
                                    > > >
                                    > > > This is one work where I feel Annie Fischer does not do well.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > George
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > --- In beethovensonatas@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Mathisen"
                                    > > > <richard.mathisen@> wrote:
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Preliminary Rankings:
                                    > > > > Recordings of Beethoven Sonata #3, Op. 2, No. 3
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > The first recording ("01") is considered to be the "best"
                                    > > recording,
                                    > > > the second one is the second best recording, etc. When a pianist
                                    > > has
                                    > > > recorded more than one complete sonata cycle, they are
                                    distinguished
                                    > > > by numbers. "Alfred Brendel (3)" is the third complete cycle by
                                    > > Alfred
                                    > > > Brendel. A complete list of recordings considered is shown at the
                                    > > end.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Op 2, No. 3
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > 01 Claude Frank
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > 02 Alfred Brendel (2)
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > 03 Sviatoslav Richter Prague 6/2/75
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > 04 Vladimir Ashkenazy
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > 05 Artur Rubinstein 1963
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > 06 Richard Goode
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > 07 Emil Gilels
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > 08 Sviatoslav Richter Studio
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > 09 Maurizio Pollini
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > 10 Seymour Lipkin
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > 11 Paul Badura-Skoda (1)
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > 12 Annie Fischer
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > 13 Bernard Roberts
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > 14 Jeno Jando
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > 15 Gerhard Oppitz
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Dick Mathisen
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Note: The list of recordings considered, shown below, is a
                                    list of
                                    > > > all my recordings of all 32 sonatas, not only recordings of Op
                                    2-3.
                                    > > > The sonatas are identified by number. Op 2-3 would be
                                    indicated as
                                    > > #3.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Recordings Considered: Anda (7-14-28), Arrau (1962-66)(ALL),
                                    1949
                                    > > > (21+26), (1984-94)(1-2-8-16-21-22-24-25-26-30), Ashkenazy
                                    > > > (1974-80)(ALL), Ashkenazy (1988-91)(14-21-23-28-30-31-32),
                                    Backhaus1
                                    > > > (ALL), Backhaus2 (ALL), Backhaus Carnegie (8-14-17-25-26-29-32),
                                    > > > Backhaus Salzburg (12-14-17-26), Badura-Skoda1 (1970's) (ALL),
                                    > > > Barenboim1 (ALL), Barenboim2 (ALL), Barenboim3 (ALL), Berman (23),
                                    > > > Brendel1 (ALL), Brendel2 (ALL), Brendel3 (ALL), Brendel Live
                                    > > (24+29),
                                    > > > Buchbinder (ALL), Casadesus (2-14-23-24-26-28), Ciani (ALL),
                                    Cliburn
                                    > > > (8-14-23-26), DeLarrocha (15), Douglas (29), Egorov (28),
                                    Eschenbach
                                    > > > (29-30-31-32), Feltsman (30-31-32), Firkusny (8-14-21-30), Annie
                                    > > > Fischer (ALL), Francois (8-14-23), Frank (ALL), Freire (14-21-26-
                                    > > 31),
                                    > > > Gelber (3-5-8-20), Gieseking 1949-50 (ALL except 4-5-7-20-22),
                                    1951
                                    > > > (21+23), 1955-56 (1 to 14, 17-18-19-20-30-31), Gilels (ALL except
                                    > > > 1-9-22-24-32), Gilels Live 1969 (14), 1984 (29), Goldsmith
                                    > > > (5-17-21-31), Goode (ALL), Grimaud (28-30-31), Gulda1 (ALL),
                                    Gulda2
                                    > > > (ALL), Hamelin (30-31-32), Haskil 1955 (17-18), 1960 (17-18),
                                    > > Salzburg
                                    > > > (18), Pristine (18), "Hatto" (ALL), Heidsieck (ALL), Hewitt
                                    > > > (3-4-7-8-15-23), Horowitz 1946 (14), 1956-59 (7-14-21-23), 1963?-
                                    > > 1972
                                    > > > (8-14-21-23-28), Horszowski 1977 (2-5-10-30), 19xx? (30-31-32),
                                    > > Jando
                                    > > > (ALL), Kempff1 (ALL), Kempff2 (ALL), Kissin (14), Klien (8-14-23),
                                    > > > Kovacevich (ALL), Kraus (21+30), Kuerti (ALL), Laredo
                                    (3-20-23-26),
                                    > > > Lewis (ALL), Lill (ALL), Lipkin (ALL), Lortie (ALL except
                                    > > > 22-23-24-25-27-30-31-32), Lupu (8-14-21), Michelangeli 1981
                                    (11-12),
                                    > > > 1990 (32), Morovec (8-14-23-26-27), Nat (ALL), Nikolayeva (ALL),
                                    > > > Novaes (17-21-26), O'Conor (ALL), Ogdon (8-14-23), Ohlsson
                                    > > > (2-3-4-8-9-10-12-14-15-21-24-25-26-27-28-32), Oland (ALL), Oppitz
                                    > > > (ALL), Ortiz (8-14-17-21), Paik (16 to 26), Perahia
                                    > > > (1-2-3-7-17-18-23-26-28), Perl (ALL), Pires 1973 (8-14-17-23),
                                    2001
                                    > > > (13-14-30), Pletnev (32), Pollini studio (ALL except
                                    > > > 4-9-10-16-18-19-20), Pollini live (21-23-24), Richter studio
                                    > > > (1-3-4-7-8-9-10-11-12-17-19-20-22-23-27), Richter live Prague
                                    > > > (3-7-12-17-18-23-27-28-29-31), Moscow (3-4-8-17-18-23-27-28-30-31-
                                    > > 32),
                                    > > > Carnegie (3-7-9-12-17-18-22-23-27-29-31), Bucharest (7-12),
                                    Polling
                                    > > > (6-7-17-18), Paris (6-7-17-18), Helsinki (7), Aldeburgh (3+29),
                                    > > Ohrid
                                    > > > (28+30), Tokyo (31-32), Leipzig (30-31-32), London (11+29),
                                    Brooklyn
                                    > > > (18), Munich (10+12), Rellingen (32), Kreuth (11), Amsterdam
                                    > > > (19-20-22-23), Ludwigsberg (30-31-32), Roberts (ALL), Rosen
                                    > > > (27-28-29-30-31-32), Rubinstein 1954 (8-18-21-23), 1962-63
                                    > > > (3-8-14-23-26), 1975 (18), Sandorskaya (29), Schiff (1 to 21),
                                    > > > Schnabel (ALL), Serkin (1945-60) (8-14-21-23-24-30-31),
                                    > > > (1962-80)(1-6-8-11-12-13-14-16-21-23-24-26-28-29-30-31-32), live
                                    > > > (1987) (30-31-32), Sheppard (ALL), Solomon
                                    > > > (1-3-7-8-13-14-17-18-21-22-23-26-27-28-29-30-31-32), Taub
                                    > > > (5-6-7-8-16-28), Uchida (30-31-32), Vogel (29+32), Watts
                                    (13-14-23),
                                    > > > Wild (7-8-14-18-23-29)
                                    > > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                  • gperkins151
                                    If you have a live one on APR, then there must be at least three Solomon Op. 2, No.3 recordings. Timings for the 2 that I have: Pearl - 9:34 7:24 3:03
                                    Message 17 of 21 , Feb 8, 2009
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                                      If you have a live one on APR, then there must be at least three
                                      Solomon Op. 2, No.3 recordings.

                                      Timings for the 2 that I have:

                                      Pearl - 9:34 7:24 3:03 4:56
                                      Testament? - 7:39 6:59 3:16 5:06

                                      George

                                      --- In beethovensonatas@yahoogroups.com, rpy1111@... wrote:
                                      >
                                      > There are 2 Solomon recordings but the live one is on APR.
                                      >
                                      > Robert Y
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > In a message dated 2/7/2009 10:02:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
                                      > richard.mathisen@... writes:
                                      >
                                      > George,
                                      >
                                      > Thanks for your favorites!
                                      >
                                      > Are there two different Solomon recordings? Or are they the same
                                      > recording with different sound qualities? If there's a second
                                      > recording floating around out there, I'd love to know about it.
                                      >
                                      > I don't recall whether you have the Rubinstein recording of this work.
                                      >
                                      > The Rubinstein recording has a minor but noticeable textual error in
                                      > the left hand in measure 20 of the first movement. (Annie Fischer
                                      > uses the same incorrect textual reading.)
                                      >
                                      > I can see that the Richter recording of this sonata is not one of
                                      > your favorites!
                                      >
                                      > Dick Mathisen
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > --- In beethovensonatas@yahoogroups.com, "gperkins151"
                                      > <gperkins151@> wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > Hi Dick and group,
                                      > >
                                      > > My picks for this work, in order:
                                      > >
                                      > > 1. Goode/Gulda Tie
                                      > > 2. Gilels
                                      > > 3. Kempff (m)
                                      > > 4. Backhaus
                                      > > 5. Barenboim
                                      > > 6. Solomon (Pearl)
                                      > > 7. Kovacevich
                                      > > 8. Solomon (Testament)
                                      > > 9. Nat
                                      > >
                                      > > This is one work where I feel Annie Fischer does not do well.
                                      > >
                                      > > George
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > --- In beethovensonatas@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Mathisen"
                                      > > <richard.mathisen@> wrote:
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Preliminary Rankings:
                                      > > > Recordings of Beethoven Sonata #3, Op. 2, No. 3
                                      > > >
                                      > > > The first recording ("01") is considered to be the "best"
                                      > recording,
                                      > > the second one is the second best recording, etc. When a pianist
                                      > has
                                      > > recorded more than one complete sonata cycle, they are distinguished
                                      > > by numbers. "Alfred Brendel (3)" is the third complete cycle by
                                      > Alfred
                                      > > Brendel. A complete list of recordings considered is shown at the
                                      > end.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Op 2, No. 3
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > 01 Claude Frank
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > 02 Alfred Brendel (2)
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > 03 Sviatoslav Richter Prague 6/2/75
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > 04 Vladimir Ashkenazy
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > 05 Artur Rubinstein 1963
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > 06 Richard Goode
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > 07 Emil Gilels
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > 08 Sviatoslav Richter Studio
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > 09 Maurizio Pollini
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > 10 Seymour Lipkin
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > 11 Paul Badura-Skoda (1)
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > 12 Annie Fischer
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > 13 Bernard Roberts
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > 14 Jeno Jando
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > 15 Gerhard Oppitz
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Dick Mathisen
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Note: The list of recordings considered, shown below, is a list of
                                      > > all my recordings of all 32 sonatas, not only recordings of Op 2-3.
                                      > > The sonatas are identified by number. Op 2-3 would be indicated as
                                      > #3.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Recordings Considered: Anda (7-14-28), Arrau (1962-66)(ALL), 1949
                                      > > (21+26), (1984-94)(1-2-8-16-21-22-24-25-26-30), Ashkenazy
                                      > > (1974-80)(ALL), Ashkenazy (1988-91)(14-21-23-28-30-31-32), Backhaus1
                                      > > (ALL), Backhaus2 (ALL), Backhaus Carnegie (8-14-17-25-26-29-32),
                                      > > Backhaus Salzburg (12-14-17-26), Badura-Skoda1 (1970's) (ALL),
                                      > > Barenboim1 (ALL), Barenboim2 (ALL), Barenboim3 (ALL), Berman (23),
                                      > > Brendel1 (ALL), Brendel2 (ALL), Brendel3 (ALL), Brendel Live
                                      > (24+29),
                                      > > Buchbinder (ALL), Casadesus (2-14-23-24-26-28), Ciani (ALL), Cliburn
                                      > > (8-14-23-26), DeLarrocha (15), Douglas (29), Egorov (28), Eschenbach
                                      > > (29-30-31-32), Feltsman (30-31-32), Firkusny (8-14-21-30), Annie
                                      > > Fischer (ALL), Francois (8-14-23), Frank (ALL), Freire (14-21-26-
                                      > 31),
                                      > > Gelber (3-5-8-20), Gieseking 1949-50 (ALL except 4-5-7-20-22), 1951
                                      > > (21+23), 1955-56 (1 to 14, 17-18-19-20-30-31), Gilels (ALL except
                                      > > 1-9-22-24-32), Gilels Live 1969 (14), 1984 (29), Goldsmith
                                      > > (5-17-21-31), Goode (ALL), Grimaud (28-30-31), Gulda1 (ALL), Gulda2
                                      > > (ALL), Hamelin (30-31-32), Haskil 1955 (17-18), 1960 (17-18),
                                      > Salzburg
                                      > > (18), Pristine (18), "Hatto" (ALL), Heidsieck (ALL), Hewitt
                                      > > (3-4-7-8-15-23), Horowitz 1946 (14), 1956-59 (7-14-21-23), 1963?-
                                      > 1972
                                      > > (8-14-21-23-28), Horszowski 1977 (2-5-10-30), 19xx? (30-31-32),
                                      > Jando
                                      > > (ALL), Kempff1 (ALL), Kempff2 (ALL), Kissin (14), Klien (8-14-23),
                                      > > Kovacevich (ALL), Kraus (21+30), Kuerti (ALL), Laredo (3-20-23-26),
                                      > > Lewis (ALL), Lill (ALL), Lipkin (ALL), Lortie (ALL except
                                      > > 22-23-24-25-27-30-31-32), Lupu (8-14-21), Michelangeli 1981 (11-12),
                                      > > 1990 (32), Morovec (8-14-23-26-27), Nat (ALL), Nikolayeva (ALL),
                                      > > Novaes (17-21-26), O'Conor (ALL), Ogdon (8-14-23), Ohlsson
                                      > > (2-3-4-8-9-10-12-14-15-21-24-25-26-27-28-32), Oland (ALL), Oppitz
                                      > > (ALL), Ortiz (8-14-17-21), Paik (16 to 26), Perahia
                                      > > (1-2-3-7-17-18-23-26-28), Perl (ALL), Pires 1973 (8-14-17-23), 2001
                                      > > (13-14-30), Pletnev (32), Pollini studio (ALL except
                                      > > 4-9-10-16-18-19-20), Pollini live (21-23-24), Richter studio
                                      > > (1-3-4-7-8-9-10-11-12-17-19-20-22-23-27), Richter live Prague
                                      > > (3-7-12-17-18-23-27-28-29-31), Moscow (3-4-8-17-18-23-27-28-30-31-
                                      > 32),
                                      > > Carnegie (3-7-9-12-17-18-22-23-27-29-31), Bucharest (7-12), Polling
                                      > > (6-7-17-18), Paris (6-7-17-18), Helsinki (7), Aldeburgh (3+29),
                                      > Ohrid
                                      > > (28+30), Tokyo (31-32), Leipzig (30-31-32), London (11+29), Brooklyn
                                      > > (18), Munich (10+12), Rellingen (32), Kreuth (11), Amsterdam
                                      > > (19-20-22-23), Ludwigsberg (30-31-32), Roberts (ALL), Rosen
                                      > > (27-28-29-30-31-32), Rubinstein 1954 (8-18-21-23), 1962-63
                                      > > (3-8-14-23-26), 1975 (18), Sandorskaya (29), Schiff (1 to 21),
                                      > > Schnabel (ALL), Serkin (1945-60) (8-14-21-23-24-30-31),
                                      > > (1962-80)(1-6-8-11-12-13-14-16-21-23-24-26-28-29-30-31-32), live
                                      > > (1987) (30-31-32), Sheppard (ALL), Solomon
                                      > > (1-3-7-8-13-14-17-18-21-22-23-26-27-28-29-30-31-32), Taub
                                      > > (5-6-7-8-16-28), Uchida (30-31-32), Vogel (29+32), Watts (13-14-23),
                                      > > Wild (7-8-14-18-23-29)
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
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                                    • rpy1111@aol.com
                                      I have the Berlin recording from Feb. 23, 1956 on APR. It must be the same on Pearl since the timings are almost identical. I don t have the Pearl but will
                                      Message 18 of 21 , Feb 8, 2009
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                                        I have the Berlin recording from Feb. 23, 1956 on APR.  It must be the same on Pearl since the timings are almost identical.  I don't have the Pearl but will change it in the discography.  Thanks.
                                         
                                        Robert Y
                                         
                                        In a message dated 2/8/2009 10:37:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, gperkins151@... writes:
                                        If you have a live one on APR, then there must be at least three
                                        Solomon Op. 2, No.3 recordings.

                                        Timings for the 2 that I have:

                                        Pearl      - 9:34 7:24 3:03 4:56
                                        Testament? - 7:39 6:59 3:16 5:06

                                        George

                                        --- In beethovensonatas@yahoogroups.com, rpy1111@... wrote:
                                        >
                                        > There are 2 Solomon recordings but the live one is on APR.

                                        > Robert Y


                                        > In a message dated 2/7/2009 10:02:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
                                        > richard.mathisen@... writes:
                                        >
                                        > George,
                                        >
                                        > Thanks for your favorites!
                                        >
                                        > Are there two  different Solomon recordings? Or are they the same
                                        > recording with  different sound qualities? If there's a second
                                        > recording floating around  out there, I'd love to know about it.
                                        >
                                        > I don't recall whether you have  the Rubinstein recording of this work.
                                        >
                                        > The Rubinstein recording has a  minor but noticeable textual error in
                                        > the left hand in measure 20 of the  first movement. (Annie Fischer
                                        > uses the same incorrect textual  reading.)
                                        >
                                        > I can see that the Richter recording of this sonata is not  one of
                                        > your favorites!
                                        >
                                        > Dick Mathisen
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > --- In  beethovensonatas@yahoogroups.com, "gperkins151"
                                        > <gperkins151@>  wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > Hi Dick and group,
                                        > >
                                        > > My picks for this  work, in order:
                                        > >
                                        > > 1. Goode/Gulda Tie
                                        > > 2. Gilels
                                        > >  3. Kempff (m)
                                        > > 4. Backhaus
                                        > > 5. Barenboim
                                        > > 6. Solomon  (Pearl)
                                        > > 7. Kovacevich
                                        > > 8. Solomon (Testament)
                                        > > 9.  Nat
                                        > >
                                        > > This is one work where I feel Annie Fischer does not do  well.
                                        > >
                                        > > George
                                        > > 
                                        > >
                                        > > --- In  beethovensonatas@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Mathisen"
                                        > >  <richard.mathisen@> wrote:
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Preliminary  Rankings:
                                        > > > Recordings of Beethoven Sonata #3, Op. 2, No. 3
                                        > >  >
                                        > > > The first recording ("01") is considered to be the "best" 
                                        > recording,
                                        > > the second one is the second best recording, etc.   When a pianist
                                        > has
                                        > > recorded more than one complete sonata cycle,  they are distinguished
                                        > > by numbers. "Alfred Brendel (3)" is the third  complete cycle by
                                        > Alfred
                                        > > Brendel. A complete list of recordings  considered is shown at the
                                        > end.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Op 2, No.  3
                                        > > >
                                        > >> 
                                        > > >
                                        > > >     01        Claude  Frank
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >     02        Alfred Brendel  (2)
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >       03        Sviatoslav Richter  Prague 6/2/75
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >   04         Vladimir Ashkenazy     
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > >  >
                                        > > >             05   Artur Rubinstein 1963  
                                        > > >
                                        > >  >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >           06        Richard Goode
                                        > > > 
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >           07        Emil Gilels      
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >     08        Sviatoslav  Richter Studio         
                                        > > >
                                        > > > 
                                        > > >
                                        > > >              09        Maurizio Pollini
                                        > > >
                                        > > > 
                                        > > >
                                        > > >              10        Seymour Lipkin          
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >     11        Paul  Badura-Skoda (1)
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >   12        Annie  Fischer  
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > >  >             13       Bernard Roberts          
                                        > > > 
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >           14        Jeno Jando    
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >   15        Gerhard  Oppitz           
                                        > > >
                                        > > > 
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Dick Mathisen
                                        > >  >
                                        > > > 
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Note: The  list of recordings considered, shown below, is a list of
                                        > > all my  recordings of all 32 sonatas, not only recordings of Op 2-3.
                                        > > The  sonatas are identified by number. Op 2-3 would be indicated as
                                        > #3.
                                        > >  >
                                        > > > Recordings Considered: Anda (7-14-28), Arrau  (1962-66)(ALL), 1949
                                        > > (21+26), (1984-94)(1-2-8-16-21-22-24-25-26-30),  Ashkenazy
                                        > > (1974-80)(ALL), Ashkenazy (1988-91)(14-21-23-28-30-31-32),  Backhaus1
                                        > > (ALL), Backhaus2 (ALL), Backhaus Carnegie  (8-14-17-25-26-29-32),
                                        > > Backhaus Salzburg (12-14-17-26), Badura-Skoda1  (1970's) (ALL),
                                        > > Barenboim1 (ALL), Barenboim2 (ALL), Barenboim3 (ALL),  Berman (23),
                                        > > Brendel1 (ALL), Brendel2 (ALL), Brendel3 (ALL), Brendel  Live
                                        > (24+29),
                                        > > Buchbinder (ALL), Casadesus (2-14-23-24-26-28),  Ciani (ALL), Cliburn
                                        > > (8-14-23-26), DeLarrocha (15), Douglas (29),  Egorov (28), Eschenbach
                                        > > (29-30-31-32), Feltsman (30-31-32), Firkusny  (8-14-21-30), Annie
                                        > > Fischer (ALL), Francois (8-14-23), Frank (ALL),  Freire (14-21-26-
                                        > 31),
                                        > > Gelber (3-5-8-20), Gieseking 1949-50 (ALL  except 4-5-7-20-22), 1951
                                        > > (21+23), 1955-56 (1 to 14,  17-18-19-20-30-31), Gilels (ALL except
                                        > > 1-9-22-24-32), Gilels Live 1969  (14), 1984 (29), Goldsmith
                                        > > (5-17-21-31), Goode (ALL), Grimaud  (28-30-31), Gulda1 (ALL), Gulda2
                                        > > (ALL), Hamelin (30-31-32), Haskil  1955 (17-18), 1960 (17-18),
                                        > Salzburg
                                        > > (18), Pristine (18), "Hatto"  (ALL), Heidsieck (ALL), Hewitt
                                        > > (3-4-7-8-15-23), Horowitz 1946 (14),  1956-59 (7-14-21-23), 1963?-
                                        > 1972
                                        > >  (8-14-21-23-28), Horszowski  1977 (2-5-10-30), 19xx? (30-31-32),
                                        > Jando
                                        > > (ALL), Kempff1 (ALL),  Kempff2 (ALL), Kissin (14), Klien (8-14-23),
                                        > > Kovacevich (ALL), Kraus  (21+30), Kuerti (ALL), Laredo (3-20-23-26),
                                        > > Lewis (ALL), Lill (ALL),  Lipkin (ALL), Lortie (ALL except
                                        > > 22-23-24-25-27-30-31-32), Lupu  (8-14-21), Michelangeli 1981 (11-12),
                                        > > 1990 (32), Morovec  (8-14-23-26-27), Nat (ALL), Nikolayeva (ALL),
                                        > > Novaes (17-21-26),  O'Conor (ALL), Ogdon (8-14-23), Ohlsson
                                        > >  (2-3-4-8-9-10-12-14-15-21-24-25-26-27-28-32), Oland (ALL), Oppitz
                                        > >  (ALL), Ortiz (8-14-17-21), Paik (16 to 26), Perahia
                                        > >  (1-2-3-7-17-18-23-26-28), Perl (ALL), Pires 1973 (8-14-17-23), 2001
                                        > >  (13-14-30), Pletnev (32), Pollini studio (ALL except
                                        > >  4-9-10-16-18-19-20), Pollini live (21-23-24), Richter studio
                                        > >  (1-3-4-7-8-9-10-11-12-17-19-20-22-23-27), Richter live Prague
                                        > >  (3-7-12-17-18-23-27-28-29-31), Moscow  (3-4-8-17-18-23-27-28-30-31-
                                        > 32),
                                        > > Carnegie  (3-7-9-12-17-18-22-23-27-29-31), Bucharest (7-12), Polling
                                        > >  (6-7-17-18), Paris (6-7-17-18), Helsinki (7), Aldeburgh (3+29), 
                                        > Ohrid
                                        > > (28+30), Tokyo (31-32), Leipzig (30-31-32), London (11+29),  Brooklyn
                                        > > (18), Munich (10+12), Rellingen (32), Kreuth (11),  Amsterdam
                                        > > (19-20-22-23), Ludwigsberg (30-31-32), Roberts (ALL),  Rosen
                                        > > (27-28-29-30-31-32), Rubinstein 1954 (8-18-21-23),  1962-63
                                        > > (3-8-14-23-26), 1975 (18), Sandorskaya (29), Schiff (1 to  21),
                                        > > Schnabel (ALL), Serkin (1945-60) (8-14-21-23-24-30-31),
                                        > >  (1962-80)(1-6-8-11-12-13-14-16-21-23-24-26-28-29-30-31-32), live
                                        > >  (1987) (30-31-32), Sheppard (ALL), Solomon
                                        > >  (1-3-7-8-13-14-17-18-21-22-23-26-27-28-29-30-31-32), Taub
                                        > >  (5-6-7-8-16-28), Uchida (30-31-32), Vogel (29+32), Watts (13-14-23),
                                        > >  Wild (7-8-14-18-23-29)
                                        > >  >
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                                      • dmanildi
                                        ... the same ... Pearl but ... There are only two issued Solomon recordings of this sonata: the earlier one is from May 21, 1948 and is on Testament as well
                                        Message 19 of 21 , Feb 8, 2009
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                                          --- In beethovensonatas@yahoogroups.com, rpy1111@... wrote:
                                          >
                                          > I have the Berlin recording from Feb. 23, 1956 on APR. It must be
                                          the same
                                          > on Pearl since the timings are almost identical. I don't have the
                                          Pearl but
                                          > will change it in the discography. Thanks.
                                          >
                                          > Robert Y
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > In a message dated 2/8/2009 10:37:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
                                          > gperkins151@... writes:
                                          >
                                          > If you have a live one on APR, then there must be at least three
                                          > Solomon Op. 2, No.3 recordings.
                                          >
                                          > Timings for the 2 that I have:
                                          >
                                          > Pearl - 9:34 7:24 3:03 4:56
                                          > Testament? - 7:39 6:59 3:16 5:06

                                          There are only two issued Solomon recordings of this sonata: the
                                          earlier one is from May 21, 1948 and is on Testament as well as Pearl.
                                          The actual (not printed) timings of this version are 9:31, 7:25, 3:01,
                                          and 4:52. Incidentally, Testament's documentation is wrong: this was
                                          not recorded in 1951, then issued in 1949 (!!) as they claim. In 1951
                                          Solomon re-recorded Op.2/3, but this was never issued.

                                          The Pearl is a transfer by Roger Beardsley who mismanages the first
                                          78-rpm side join at 4:40 by extending the pause (hence the
                                          difference). The 1956 version is a Berlin radio studio performance
                                          that, strictly speaking, is not "live" since no audience was present.

                                          Enough for picky details. Dick, could you address the matter I raised
                                          concerning your rejection of Perahia in Op.2/3 ostensibly because of a
                                          too-slow 2nd movement, whereas I pointed out that both Gilels and
                                          Ashkenazy are even slower yet managed to make your list? I find this
                                          puzzling.

                                          D.Manildi
                                        • Richard Mathisen
                                          George, Thank you for your rankings of recordings of Op 2-3! I m sorry it s taken me so long to respond. I ve been swamped with new recordings, some of which I
                                          Message 20 of 21 , Feb 21, 2009
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                                            George,
                                             
                                            Thank you for your rankings of recordings of Op 2-3! I'm sorry it's taken me so long to respond. I've been swamped with new recordings, some of which I discuss below. (I've also been busy elsewhere in my life ....)
                                             
                                            As usual, I have learned a lot from your rankings and those of others who have responded, including Bill Kasimer.
                                             
                                            Two of your top three favorites are also high up on my list, namely #6 Goode and #7 Gilels, so I'm very familiar with them.
                                             
                                            The Gulda 2 recording you like had been eliminated from my list at an earlier point because of the superfast third movement. Most fast performances of the third movement, marked Scherzo: Allegro, are at 88 or so. Gulda 2 blasts through it at 104. Now perhaps my ears have become accustomed to it, but I do find it more acceptable. The recording has many positive features that I like. (I also now have the entire Gulda 1 cycle, but it's not up to Gulda 2 in this piece and the sound is noticeably worse.)
                                             
                                            The Kempff mono has a great slow movement and a good first movement. The fourth movement strikes me as relatively weak. I'm going to re-evaluate it.
                                             
                                            I'm also re-evaluating the Backhaus 2. It strikes me as a contender for my list.
                                             
                                            The problem with Barenboim 2, for me, was the second movement and the extreme rubato that Barenboim employed there. I really liked the outer movements. Now, after I've tried to put a metronome to obtain the tempos of other pianists in the slow movement, I'm more inclined to cut Barenboim more slack. Almost everyone else takes extraordinary liberties with the tempo in this adagio.  Glenn Gould speeds up by 50% when he reaches the 32nd-note section at bar 11, for example. So, I now expect the Barenboim 2 to be on my top 15 list when I re-do it.
                                             
                                            Your two Solomon recordings are apparently the same recording, if I understand Donald Manildi correctly. I'm very impressed with it and would probably rate it even higher than you do, although the sound quality is not up to modern standards. However, the discussion of the two recordings brought to light a true second recording by Solomon from 1956 which is very fine and has much better sound. I would rank the live recording ahead of Solomon's studio recording, which would put it very high on my list.
                                             
                                            The Kovacevich I have not yet fallen in love with. There's nothing wrong with it. It's quite decent, but I cannot yet rank it with some of the other recordings.
                                             
                                            The Nat, on the other hand, I believe is one of the better recordings around. It is definitely a contender for my list.
                                             
                                            I have a question for you about the Schnabel on Naxos. I'm impressed with it and expect it to make my list, but I was wondering what you thought of it?
                                             
                                            The big surprise to me was the Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli from 1941. I'm still astonished! It will be up close to the top on my list. I have six other recordings by him. Of them, the best seem to be the 1970 from Bonn and the 1987 from the Vatican. There are a few more ABM's of Op 2-3 I'm still trying to obtain.
                                             
                                            I came across a recording of Op 2-3 by Rudolf Buchbinder that seems very good. It's part of a complete set of 32 of varying qualities, some quite good.
                                             
                                            There are also two good recordings by Walter Gieseking from 1950 and 1956 that are contenders.
                                             
                                            I mentioned Glenn Gould earlier in this note. From other notes you know how negative I've been toward him. I must say I was impressed favorably by some of what I heard on Op 2-3. I love his counterpoint, which I guess is no surprise. I was also impressed by his restraint in pedaling, which allows the left hand figurations to come through clearly. I have long believed that Beethoven used much less pedal than most modern pianists use. In addition, there was very little vocalizing that I noticed in what I heard. However, of course, it was also vintage Gould in less favorable ways. He takes the slow movement twice as slow as anyone else. I couldn't bear to listen through it at a snail's pace. I now have Volume 1 and 2 of Gould in the Beethoven sonatas, which includes all of Op 2.
                                             
                                            If I recall correctly, you were listening to the Richter recording from Prague, which is the one I consider better than his studio recording of Op 2-3. Did that Richter recording live up to your high expectations?
                                             
                                            Regards!
                                             
                                            Dick Mathisen
                                             
                                             
                                             
                                             
                                            ----- Original Message -----
                                            Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:50 PM
                                            Subject: [beethovensonatas] Re: Rankings of Sonata #3, Op 2, No. 3

                                            Hi Dick and group,

                                            My picks for this work, in order:

                                            1. Goode/Gulda Tie
                                            2. Gilels
                                            3. Kempff (m)
                                            4. Backhaus
                                            5. Barenboim
                                            6. Solomon (Pearl)
                                            7. Kovacevich
                                            8. Solomon (Testament)
                                            9. Nat

                                            This is one work where I feel Annie Fischer does not do well.

                                            George


                                            --- In beethovensonatas@ yahoogroups. com, "Richard Mathisen"
                                            <richard.mathisen@ ...> wrote:
                                            >
                                            > Preliminary Rankings:
                                            > Recordings of Beethoven Sonata #3, Op. 2, No. 3
                                            >
                                            > The first recording ("01") is considered to be the "best" recording,
                                            the second one is the second best recording, etc. When a pianist has
                                            recorded more than one complete sonata cycle, they are distinguished
                                            by numbers. "Alfred Brendel (3)" is the third complete cycle by Alfred
                                            Brendel. A complete list of recordings considered is shown at the end.
                                            >
                                            > Op 2, No. 3
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > 01 Claude Frank
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > 02 Alfred Brendel (2)
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > 03 Sviatoslav Richter Prague 6/2/75
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > 04 Vladimir Ashkenazy
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > 05 Artur Rubinstein 1963
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > 06 Richard Goode
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > 07 Emil Gilels
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > 08 Sviatoslav Richter Studio
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > 09 Maurizio Pollini
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > 10 Seymour Lipkin
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > 11 Paul Badura-Skoda (1)
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > 12 Annie Fischer
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > 13 Bernard Roberts
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > 14 Jeno Jando
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > 15 Gerhard Oppitz
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > Dick Mathisen
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > Note: The list of recordings considered, shown below, is a list of
                                            all my recordings of all 32 sonatas, not only recordings of Op 2-3.
                                            The sonatas are identified by number. Op 2-3 would be indicated as #3.
                                            >
                                            > Recordings Considered: Anda (7-14-28), Arrau (1962-66)(ALL) , 1949
                                            (21+26), (1984-94)(1- 2-8-16-21- 22-24-25- 26-30), Ashkenazy
                                            (1974-80)(ALL) , Ashkenazy (1988-91)(14- 21-23-28- 30-31-32) , Backhaus1
                                            (ALL), Backhaus2 (ALL), Backhaus Carnegie (8-14-17-25- 26-29-32) ,
                                            Backhaus Salzburg (12-14-17-26) , Badura-Skoda1 (1970's) (ALL),
                                            Barenboim1 (ALL), Barenboim2 (ALL), Barenboim3 (ALL), Berman (23),
                                            Brendel1 (ALL), Brendel2 (ALL), Brendel3 (ALL), Brendel Live (24+29),
                                            Buchbinder (ALL), Casadesus (2-14-23-24- 26-28), Ciani (ALL), Cliburn
                                            (8-14-23-26) , DeLarrocha (15), Douglas (29), Egorov (28), Eschenbach
                                            (29-30-31-32) , Feltsman (30-31-32), Firkusny (8-14-21-30) , Annie
                                            Fischer (ALL), Francois (8-14-23), Frank (ALL), Freire (14-21-26-31) ,
                                            Gelber (3-5-8-20), Gieseking 1949-50 (ALL except 4-5-7-20-22) , 1951
                                            (21+23), 1955-56 (1 to 14, 17-18-19-20- 30-31), Gilels (ALL except
                                            1-9-22-24-32) , Gilels Live 1969 (14), 1984 (29), Goldsmith
                                            (5-17-21-31) , Goode (ALL), Grimaud (28-30-31), Gulda1 (ALL), Gulda2
                                            (ALL), Hamelin (30-31-32), Haskil 1955 (17-18), 1960 (17-18), Salzburg
                                            (18), Pristine (18), "Hatto" (ALL), Heidsieck (ALL), Hewitt
                                            (3-4-7-8-15- 23), Horowitz 1946 (14), 1956-59 (7-14-21-23) , 1963?-1972
                                            (8-14-21-23- 28), Horszowski 1977 (2-5-10-30), 19xx? (30-31-32), Jando
                                            (ALL), Kempff1 (ALL), Kempff2 (ALL), Kissin (14), Klien (8-14-23),
                                            Kovacevich (ALL), Kraus (21+30), Kuerti (ALL), Laredo (3-20-23-26) ,
                                            Lewis (ALL), Lill (ALL), Lipkin (ALL), Lortie (ALL except
                                            22-23-24-25- 27-30-31- 32), Lupu (8-14-21), Michelangeli 1981 (11-12),
                                            1990 (32), Morovec (8-14-23-26- 27), Nat (ALL), Nikolayeva (ALL),
                                            Novaes (17-21-26), O'Conor (ALL), Ogdon (8-14-23), Ohlsson
                                            (2-3-4-8-9-10- 12-14-15- 21-24-25- 26-27-28- 32), Oland (ALL), Oppitz
                                            (ALL), Ortiz (8-14-17-21) , Paik (16 to 26), Perahia
                                            (1-2-3-7-17- 18-23-26- 28), Perl (ALL), Pires 1973 (8-14-17-23) , 2001
                                            (13-14-30), Pletnev (32), Pollini studio (ALL except
                                            4-9-10-16-18- 19-20), Pollini live (21-23-24), Richter studio
                                            (1-3-4-7-8-9- 10-11-12- 17-19-20- 22-23-27) , Richter live Prague
                                            (3-7-12-17-18- 23-27-28- 29-31), Moscow (3-4-8-17-18- 23-27-28- 30-31-32) ,
                                            Carnegie (3-7-9-12-17- 18-22-23- 27-29-31) , Bucharest (7-12), Polling
                                            (6-7-17-18), Paris (6-7-17-18), Helsinki (7), Aldeburgh (3+29), Ohrid
                                            (28+30), Tokyo (31-32), Leipzig (30-31-32), London (11+29), Brooklyn
                                            (18), Munich (10+12), Rellingen (32), Kreuth (11), Amsterdam
                                            (19-20-22-23) , Ludwigsberg (30-31-32), Roberts (ALL), Rosen
                                            (27-28-29-30- 31-32), Rubinstein 1954 (8-18-21-23) , 1962-63
                                            (3-8-14-23-26) , 1975 (18), Sandorskaya (29), Schiff (1 to 21),
                                            Schnabel (ALL), Serkin (1945-60) (8-14-21-23- 24-30-31) ,
                                            (1962-80)(1- 6-8-11-12- 13-14-16- 21-23-24- 26-28-29- 30-31-32) , live
                                            (1987) (30-31-32), Sheppard (ALL), Solomon
                                            (1-3-7-8-13- 14-17-18- 21-22-23- 26-27-28- 29-30-31- 32), Taub
                                            (5-6-7-8-16- 28), Uchida (30-31-32), Vogel (29+32), Watts (13-14-23),
                                            Wild (7-8-14-18-23- 29)
                                            >

                                          • gperkins151
                                            Thanks for your reply, Dick! No worries about the late comments, I fully understand. To answer your questions: Solomon - I actually do have two different
                                            Message 21 of 21 , Feb 22, 2009
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                                              Thanks for your reply, Dick! No worries about the late comments, I
                                              fully understand. To answer your questions:

                                              Solomon - I actually do have two different performances. The Pearl
                                              form 1948 and the APR.

                                              Schnabel - I checked my notes and replaying this now, I'd say it's
                                              good, perhaps I was a bit harsh with my initial impression. I have
                                              tacked him on at the end, behind Nat.

                                              Richter - Prague was great! He's now at No. 3. RThanks for the info on
                                              the studio recording, perhaps I won't bother with it.


                                              My revised list:

                                              Goode/Gulda
                                              Gilels
                                              Richter (Prague, 1975)
                                              Kempff (mono)
                                              Backhaus (Stereo)
                                              Barenboim
                                              Solomon (Pearl)
                                              Kovacevich
                                              Solomon (APR)
                                              Nat
                                              Schnabel
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