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Re: [beemonitoring] What Plants are ONLY pollinated by native bees and not by honeybees?

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  • David Inouye
    Probably any of the flowers with corolla tubes longer than about 6 mm will be pollinated by long-tongued native bees. Honey bees tongues are about 5 mm. David
    Message 1 of 11 , Jan 3, 2013
      Probably any of the flowers with corolla tubes longer than about 6 mm will be pollinated by long-tongued native bees.  Honey bees' tongues are about 5 mm.

      David

      At 11:03 AM 1/3/2013, Droege, Sam wrote:
       


      All:

      I have been working with the National Zoo here in Washington D.C. as a bee adviser.   As part of their new outdoor bee and pollinator exhibit they would like to have a set of plants that are only pollinated by native bees and would not be pollinated by honeybees. 

      I can think of plants that are inefficiently pollinated by honeybees, but because of my weakness in pollination biology am not sure of what plants are ONLY pollinated by native bee species.

      Perhaps some of the orchids?  Super tiny flowers?  Native Wisterias?  I am grasping here....so help me out.

      Are any flowers actually always avoided by honeybees because of the composition of nectar/pollen as opposed to simply the flower's physical characteristics?

      I have copied Elaine Soulanille from the zoo this email so go ahead and copy her on replies.

      Thanks

      sam

      Sam Droege  sdroege@...                      
      w 301-497-5840 h 301-390-7759 fax 301-497-5624
      USGS Patuxent Wildlife Research Center
      BARC-EAST, BLDG 308, RM 124 10300 Balt. Ave., Beltsville, MD  20705
      Http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov
                                            
      I sink back upon the ground, expecting to die. A voice speaks out of my ear, You are not
      going to die, you are being changed into a zebra. You will have black and white stripes
      up and down your back and you will love people as you do not now. That is why you
      will be changed into a zebra that people will tame and exhibit in a zoo. You will be a
      favorite among children and you will love the children in return whom you do not love
      now. Zoo keepers will make a pet of you because of your round, sad eyes and musical
      bray, and you will love your keeper as you do not now. All is well, then, I tell myself
      silently, listening to the voice in my ear speak to me of my future. And what will happen
      to you, voice in my ear, I ask silently, and the answer comes at once: I will be your
      gentle, musical bray that will help you as a zebra all your days. I will mediate between
      the world and you, and I will learn to love you as a zebra whom I did not love as a
      human being.

          - David Ignatow



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    • Kenneth W McCravy
      Hi Sam, This probably doesn t help if you are focusing on North America, but you might check Roubik and Hanson s Orchid Bees of Tropical America: Biology and
      Message 2 of 11 , Jan 3, 2013
        Hi Sam,

        This probably doesn't help if you are focusing on North America, but you might check Roubik and Hanson's "Orchid Bees of Tropical America: Biology and Field Guide," particularly Chapter 3 and references therein. Sounds like many orchids are associated only with euglossines, and some only with a single species.

        Good Luck!
        Ken

        Kenneth W. McCravy, Ph.D.
        Professor
        Department of Biological Sciences
        Western Illinois University
        1 University Circle
        Macomb, IL 61455
        Phone: (309) 298-2160
        Fax: (309) 298-2270
        Email: KW-McCravy@...

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Sam Droege" <sdroege@...>
        To: "Bee United" <beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com>, "Elaine Soulanille" <SoulanilleE@...>
        Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 10:03:02 AM
        Subject: [beemonitoring] What Plants are ONLY pollinated by native bees and not by honeybees?

         






        All:


        I have been working with the National Zoo here in Washington D.C. as a bee adviser.   As part of their new outdoor bee and pollinator exhibit they would like to have a set of plants that are only pollinated by native bees and would not be pollinated by honeybees.  


        I can think of plants that are inefficiently pollinated by honeybees, but because of my weakness in pollination biology am not sure of what plants are ONLY pollinated by native bee species. 


        Perhaps some of the orchids?  Super tiny flowers?  Native Wisterias?  I am grasping here....so help me out.


        Are any flowers actually always avoided by honeybees because of the composition of nectar/pollen as opposed to simply the flower's physical characteristics?


        I have copied Elaine Soulanille from the zoo this email so go ahead and copy her on replies.


        Thanks


        sam



        Sam Droege  sdroege@...                       
        w 301-497-5840 h 301-390-7759 fax 301-497-5624
        USGS Patuxent Wildlife Research Center
        BARC-EAST, BLDG 308, RM 124 10300 Balt. Ave., Beltsville, MD  20705
        Http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov
                                               
        I sink back upon the ground, expecting to die. A voice speaks out of my ear, You are not
        going to die, you are being changed into a zebra. You will have black and white stripes
        up and down your back and you will love people as you do not now. That is why you
        will be changed into a zebra that people will tame and exhibit in a zoo. You will be a
        favorite among children and you will love the children in return whom you do not love
        now. Zoo keepers will make a pet of you because of your round, sad eyes and musical
        bray, and you will love your keeper as you do not now. All is well, then, I tell myself
        silently, listening to the voice in my ear speak to me of my future. And what will happen
        to you, voice in my ear, I ask silently, and the answer comes at once: I will be your
        gentle, musical bray that will help you as a zebra all your days. I will mediate between
        the world and you, and I will learn to love you as a zebra whom I did not love as a
        human being. 

            - David Ignatow





        --

        Bees are Not Optional
      • David Inouye
        At least one Web page from a gardener cites honey bees visiting morning glories: http://www.agardenforthehouse.com/2012/04/can-you-help-the-honey-bees/ . Not
        Message 3 of 11 , Jan 3, 2013
          At least one Web page from a gardener cites honey bees visiting morning glories:  http://www.agardenforthehouse.com/2012/04/can-you-help-the-honey-bees/ .  Not clear though whether they are collecting nectar or pollen, and whether they are pollinating. 

          At 01:15 PM 1/3/2013, you wrote:
          Good Point David, I can envision a number of western species that fall into that category, but out East... I can think of trumpet honeysuckle (clearly geared towards hummingbirds) but am wondering if things like the native morning glories are not wide throated enough to permit honey bees to enter. I have seen plenty of Bombus, Melitoma, and Peponapis on them, but don't recall honey bees....but I may be simply discounting them.

          thoughts?

          sam,



          On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:45 PM, David Inouye <inouye@...> wrote:
           

          Probably any of the flowers with corolla tubes longer than about 6 mm will be pollinated by long-tongued native bees.  Honey bees' tongues are about 5 mm.

          David


          At 11:03 AM 1/3/2013, Droege, Sam wrote:
           


          All:

          I have been working with the National Zoo here in Washington D.C. as a bee adviser.   As part of their new outdoor bee and pollinator exhibit they would like to have a set of plants that are only pollinated by native bees and would not be pollinated by honeybees. 

          I can think of plants that are inefficiently pollinated by honeybees, but because of my weakness in pollination biology am not sure of what plants are ONLY pollinated by native bee species.

          Perhaps some of the orchids?  Super tiny flowers?  Native Wisterias?  I am grasping here....so help me out.

          Are any flowers actually always avoided by honeybees because of the composition of nectar/pollen as opposed to simply the flower's physical characteristics?

          I have copied Elaine Soulanille from the zoo this email so go ahead and copy her on replies.

          Thanks

          sam

          Sam Droege  sdroege@...                       
          w 301-497-5840 h 301-390-7759 fax 301-497-5624
          USGS Patuxent Wildlife Research Center
          BARC-EAST, BLDG 308, RM 124 10300 Balt. Ave., Beltsville, MD  20705
          Http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov
                                                
          I sink back upon the ground, expecting to die. A voice speaks out of my ear, You are not
          going to die, you are being changed into a zebra. You will have black and white stripes
          up and down your back and you will love people as you do not now. That is why you
          will be changed into a zebra that people will tame and exhibit in a zoo. You will be a
          favorite among children and you will love the children in return whom you do not love
          now. Zoo keepers will make a pet of you because of your round, sad eyes and musical
          bray, and you will love your keeper as you do not now. All is well, then, I tell myself
          silently, listening to the voice in my ear speak to me of my future. And what will happen
          to you, voice in my ear, I ask silently, and the answer comes at once: I will be your
          gentle, musical bray that will help you as a zebra all your days. I will mediate between
          the world and you, and I will learn to love you as a zebra whom I did not love as a
          human being.

              - David Ignatow



          --
          Bees are Not Optional






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        • Bruce
          Both my honey bees and the native bees (particularly Bombus melanopygus) love the rhodos when they are in bloom. A single rhododendron plant can have up to 50
          Message 4 of 11 , Jan 3, 2013
          Both my honey bees and the native bees (particularly Bombus melanopygus) love the rhodos when they are in bloom. A single rhododendron plant can have up to 50 bees foraging on it at one time.
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          From:    ahworkerb@... <AHworkerB@...>
          To:      sdroege@...; beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com; SoulanilleE@...
          Subject: Re: [beemonitoring] What Plants are ONLY pollinated by native bees and not by honeybees?


           

          A question about the plants ONLY pollinated by native bees -- are you including bumble bees in the natives? (By the way honey bee is two words like bumble bee.) Honey bees will visit the most profitable source so some plants will not be visited because something else more profitable is in bloom at the same time. One example of this is Rhododendron -- it is visited in other parts of the world (a toxic honey for us to eat) by honey bees but in the US temperate climate area (the Zoo) the honey bees pass it up because other more profitable plants are in bloom. Honey bees can work very tiny flowers -- again depending on what the blossoms are offering. 

          It's going to be tough.

          Jim Cane is right -- plant something very desirable (behind a large rock so nobody sees them) to lure the honey bees away.

          Cheers,
          Ann Harman

          It is impossible to enjoy idling thoroughly unless one has plenty of work to do. There is no fun in doing nothing when you have nothing to do. 
          Jerome K. Jerome, humorist 


          -----Original Message-----
          From: Droege, Sam <sdroege@...>
          To: Bee United <beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com>; Soulanille, Elaine <SoulanilleE@...>
          Sent: Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:03 am
          Subject: [beemonitoring] What Plants are ONLY pollinated by native bees and not by honeybees?

           

          All:

          I have been working with the National Zoo here in Washington D.C. as a bee adviser.   As part of their new outdoor bee and pollinator exhibit they would like to have a set of plants that are only pollinated by native bees and would not be pollinated by honeybees.  

          I can think of plants that are inefficiently pollinated by honeybees, but because of my weakness in pollination biology am not sure of what plants are ONLY pollinated by native bee species. 

          Perhaps some of the orchids?  Super tiny flowers?  Native Wisterias?  I am grasping here....so help me out.

          Are any flowers actually always avoided by honeybees because of the composition of nectar/pollen as opposed to simply the flower's physical characteristics?

          I have copied Elaine Soulanille from the zoo this email so go ahead and copy her on replies.

          Thanks

          sam

          Sam Droege  sdroege@...                      
          w 301-497-5840 h 301-390-7759 fax 301-497-5624
          USGS Patuxent Wildlife Research Center
          BARC-EAST, BLDG 308, RM 124 10300 Balt. Ave., Beltsville, MD  20705
          Http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov
                                                 
          I sink back upon the ground, expecting to die. A voice speaks out of my ear, You are not
          going to die, you are being changed into a zebra. You will have black and white stripes
          up and down your back and you will love people as you do not now. That is why you
          will be changed into a zebra that people will tame and exhibit in a zoo. You will be a
          favorite among children and you will love the children in return whom you do not love
          now. Zoo keepers will make a pet of you because of your round, sad eyes and musical
          bray, and you will love your keeper as you do not now. All is well, then, I tell myself
          silently, listening to the voice in my ear speak to me of my future. And what will happen
          to you, voice in my ear, I ask silently, and the answer comes at once: I will be your
          gentle, musical bray that will help you as a zebra all your days. I will mediate between
          the world and you, and I will learn to love you as a zebra whom I did not love as a
          human being. 

              - David Ignatow



          --
          Bees are Not Optional

        • Julie Serences
          Interesting question, so I ask the very knowledgeable botanist for our local California Native Plant Society - Glen Holstein. I wanted to know specifically
          Message 5 of 11 , Jan 4, 2013
            Interesting question, so I ask the very knowledgeable  botanist for our local California Native Plant Society - Glen Holstein. I wanted to know specifically what native plant species I could include as pollinated by  native bees in my general public native bee talks.  His reply maybe of interest:

            "About 6-8% of flowers worldwide are pollinated that way, with the percentage varying by region. Australia is particularly rich in vibratory pollinated flowers.  In California that kind of pollination characterizes the families Solanaceae and Ericaceae and the genus Dodecatheon (shooting stars).  Ericaceae may have the mostCalifornia buzz-pollinated species since it includes Arctostaphylos (manzanita).  Other California genera where it’s been recorded are Lupinus, Papaver, and Pedicularis but not necessarily in their California species."


            Contact: Glen Holstein at  "Glen Holstein" <holstein@...> for references


            Cheers,
            Julie

            Julie Serences
            Audubon  at Home Coordinator, Sacramento Audubon Society
            Xerces Partner in Pollinator Conservation
            Board Member Sacramento Valley CNPS

             
            Bees are not optional


            On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Droege, Sam <sdroege@...> wrote:
             


            All:

            I have been working with the National Zoo here in Washington D.C. as a bee adviser.   As part of their new outdoor bee and pollinator exhibit they would like to have a set of plants that are only pollinated by native bees and would not be pollinated by honeybees.  

            I can think of plants that are inefficiently pollinated by honeybees, but because of my weakness in pollination biology am not sure of what plants are ONLY pollinated by native bee species. 

            Perhaps some of the orchids?  Super tiny flowers?  Native Wisterias?  I am grasping here....so help me out.

            Are any flowers actually always avoided by honeybees because of the composition of nectar/pollen as opposed to simply the flower's physical characteristics?

            I have copied Elaine Soulanille from the zoo this email so go ahead and copy her on replies.

            Thanks

            sam

            Sam Droege  sdroege@...                      
            w 301-497-5840 h 301-390-7759 fax 301-497-5624
            USGS Patuxent Wildlife Research Center
            BARC-EAST, BLDG 308, RM 124 10300 Balt. Ave., Beltsville, MD  20705
            Http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov
                                                   
            I sink back upon the ground, expecting to die. A voice speaks out of my ear, You are not
            going to die, you are being changed into a zebra. You will have black and white stripes
            up and down your back and you will love people as you do not now. That is why you
            will be changed into a zebra that people will tame and exhibit in a zoo. You will be a
            favorite among children and you will love the children in return whom you do not love
            now. Zoo keepers will make a pet of you because of your round, sad eyes and musical
            bray, and you will love your keeper as you do not now. All is well, then, I tell myself
            silently, listening to the voice in my ear speak to me of my future. And what will happen
            to you, voice in my ear, I ask silently, and the answer comes at once: I will be your
            gentle, musical bray that will help you as a zebra all your days. I will mediate between
            the world and you, and I will learn to love you as a zebra whom I did not love as a
            human being. 

                - David Ignatow



            --
            Bees are Not Optional


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