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RE: working with other Osmia

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  • Cane, Jim
    Doug and others- I have been learning biologies, evaluating pollination values, figuring out nesting needs and practical affordable to supply these, and
    Message 1 of 11 , Dec 14, 2011

      Doug and others- I have been learning biologies, evaluating pollination values, figuring out nesting needs and practical affordable to supply these, and multiplying several Osmia species here.  These are: 1) Osmia aglaia for raspberry/blackberry pollination along its range west of the Cascades and Sierra Nevada Mtns in Oregon and Washington, 2) Osmia bruneri (closely similar bee) for this purpose and for native legumes for seed production in its range of the Intermountain West and Rockies, and 3) Osmia sanrafaelae for the latter purpose in the eastern Intermountain West where I have encountered it.  My many tries with Osmia ribifloris for blueberry pollination have been thrwarted by this bees’ insistence on pre-nesting dispersal (in a large screenhouse, it settles down and does nicely).  The task becomes most challenging once numbers are large (we’ve had as many as 20,000 of two of the species in management) because we have to work with them far away where at most I only have control over release.  In springs with atypical weather, like the last one, our population was greatly diminished because we were already committed to shipping, incubation and release dates.  And it gets expensive, with shipping charges alone of $500+.  At times I really do wonder if it is worth all of my bother, although it has been a good learning experience.

       

      Yours

       

      jim

       

      ===============================

      James H. Cane

      USDA-ARS Bee Biology and Systematics Lab

      Utah State University, Logan, UT 84322 USA

      tel: 435-797-3879   FAX: 435-797-0461

      email: Jim.Cane@... 

      web page: www.ars.usda.gov/npa/beelab

       

      From: beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com [mailto:beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug Yanega
      Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 11:33 AM
      To: beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [beemonitoring] An introduction of Orchard Bee Association and a collaboration request

       

       

      Dave Hunter wrote:

       

      In our preliminary meeting last year, OBA specifically determined that only O. lignaria propinqua would be used in the west coast of the US orchards.  O. lignaria lignaria (native eastern states) and O. cornifrons (naturalized in m! ost eastern US states) will be used in eastern orchards.

       

      We believe research of these four species may be similar as they are all spring emerging bees.  No bees will be used outside their native or naturalized environment.

       

      We already have several European members that use the O. cornuta and O. rufa.  We're looking to collaborate efforts across the waters.

       

      That's very reassuring - the way the original posting was phrased, this was certainly not at all clear. It does raise one additional question, which the folks in Logan might also comment on:

       

      Are there attempts completed, underway, or planned, to perform any sort of systematic assessment of other native Osmia (especially in the western states) for potential commercial use as pollinators? With so many species, it's hard to imagine that *only* lignaria is a viable candidate, at least biologically - but I also realize that the investment of time and energy into performing assessment may make it seem more appealing to focus on customizing the "technology" a single species if only limited resources are available.

       

      Is that the case here?

       

      Peace,

      -- 


      Doug Yanega        Dept. of Entomology         Entomology Research Museum
      Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314        skype: dyanega
      phone: (951) 827-4315 (standard disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's)
                   http://cache.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html
        "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness
              is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82

    • Cane, Jim
      Oops, a corrections in my last email. For Osmia aglaia, that is Oregon and California, not Oregon and Washington . Washington would be nice, as a lot of
      Message 2 of 11 , Dec 14, 2011

        Oops, a corrections in my last email.  For Osmia aglaia, that is Oregon and California, not “Oregon and Washington”.  Washington would be nice, as a lot of Rubus are grown there, but the Osmia aglaia has not been collected there.

         

        Yours,

         

        jim

         

        ===============================

        James H. Cane

        USDA-ARS Bee Biology and Systematics Lab

        Utah State University, Logan, UT 84322 USA

        tel: 435-797-3879   FAX: 435-797-0461

        email: Jim.Cane@... 

        web page: www.ars.usda.gov/npa/beelab

         

        From: beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com [mailto:beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Cane, Jim
        Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 11:49 AM
        To: Doug Yanega; beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [beemonitoring] RE: working with other Osmia

         

         

        Doug and others- I have been learning biologies, evaluating pollination values, figuring out nesting needs and practical affordable to supply these, and multiplying several Osmia species here.  These are: 1) Osmia aglaia for raspberry/blackberry pollination along its range west of the Cascades and Sierra Nevada Mtns in Oregon and Washington, 2) Osmia bruneri (closely similar bee) for this purpose and for native legumes for seed production in its range of the Intermountain West and Rockies, and 3) Osmia sanrafaelae for the latter purpose in the eastern Intermountain West where I have encountered it.  My many tries with Osmia ribifloris for blueberry pollination have been thrwarted by this bees’ insistence on pre-nesting dispersal (in a large screenhouse, it settles down and does nicely).  The task becomes most challenging once numbers are large (we’ve had as many as 20,000 of two of the species in management) because we have to work with them far away where at most I only have control over release.  In springs with atypical weather, like the last one, our population was greatly diminished because we were already committed to shipping, incubation and release dates.  And it gets expensive, with shipping charges alone of $500+.  At times I really do wonder if it is worth all of my bother, although it has been a good learning experience.

         

        Yours

         

        jim

         

        ===============================

        James H. Cane

        USDA-ARS Bee Biology and Systematics Lab

        Utah State University, Logan, UT 84322 USA

        tel: 435-797-3879   FAX: 435-797-0461

        email: Jim.Cane@... 

        web page: www.ars.usda.gov/npa/beelab

         

        From: beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com [mailto:beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug Yanega
        Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 11:33 AM
        To: beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [beemonitoring] An introduction of Orchard Bee Association and a collaboration request

         

         

        Dave Hunter wrote:

         

        In our preliminary meeting last year, OBA specifically determined that only O. lignaria propinqua would be used in the west coast of the US orchards.  O. lignaria lignaria (native eastern states) and O. cornifrons (naturalized in m! ost eastern US states) will be used in eastern orchards.

         

        We believe research of these four species may be similar as they are all spring emerging bees.  No bees will be used outside their native or naturalized environment.

         

        We already have several European members that use the O. cornuta and O. rufa.  We're looking to collaborate efforts across the waters.

         

        That's very reassuring - the way the original posting was phrased, this was certainly not at all clear. It does raise one additional question, which the folks in Logan might also comment on:

         

        Are there attempts completed, underway, or planned, to perform any sort of systematic assessment of other native Osmia (especially in the western states) for potential commercial use as pollinators? With so many species, it's hard to imagine that *only* lignaria is a viable candidate, at least biologically - but I also realize that the investment of time and energy into performing assessment may make it seem more appealing to focus on customizing the "technology" a single species if only limited resources are available.

         

        Is that the case here?

         

        Peace,

        -- 


        Doug Yanega        Dept. of Entomology         Entomology Research Museum
        Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314        skype: dyanega
        phone: (951) 827-4315 (standard disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's)
                     http://cache.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html
          "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness
                is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82

      • Kenneth W McCravy
        Hi, I ve heard it stated that bees are the most important group of pollinators. Can anyone suggest published studies comparing bees with other groups of
        Message 3 of 11 , Dec 15, 2011
          Hi,

          I've heard it stated that bees are the most important group of pollinators. Can anyone suggest published studies comparing bees with other groups of pollinators in terms of efficiency, number of plant species pollinated, or other measures, and how this might vary geographically (maybe patterns related to latitude or altitude)?

          Thanks!
          Ken

          Kenneth W. McCravy, Ph.D.
          Professor
          Department of Biological Sciences
          Western Illinois University
          1 University Circle
          Macomb, IL 61455
          Phone: (309) 298-2160
          Fax: (309) 298-2270
          Email: KW-McCravy@...
        • Robert Jean
          Ken, The following is a good paper on pollinator efficiency; however it shows the generalist flies to be as effective as the specialist Andrena erigeniae on
          Message 4 of 11 , Dec 15, 2011
            Ken,
            The following is a good paper on pollinator efficiency; however it shows the generalist flies to be as effective as the specialist Andrena erigeniae on flowers of Claytonia virginica (Spring beauty). Motten, A. F., D. R. Campbell, et al. (1981). "Pollination effectiveness of specialist and generalist visitors to a North Carolina population of Claytonia virginica." Ecology 62(5): 1278-1287. No info on geographic variation here though
            Rob Jean


            From: Kenneth W McCravy <KW-McCravy@...>
            To: beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 2:19 PM
            Subject: [beemonitoring] Bees vs. other pollinators

             
            Hi,

            I've heard it stated that bees are the most important group of pollinators. Can anyone suggest published studies comparing bees with other groups of pollinators in terms of efficiency, number of plant species pollinated, or other measures, and how this might vary geographically (maybe patterns related to latitude or altitude)?

            Thanks!
            Ken

            Kenneth W. McCravy, Ph.D.
            Professor
            Department of Biological Sciences
            Western Illinois University
            1 University Circle
            Macomb, IL 61455
            Phone: (309) 298-2160
            Fax: (309) 298-2270
            Email: KW-McCravy@...


          • Stoner, Kimberly
            I have attached a couple of review articles on the importance of dipteran pollinators. These have references to some comparisons between bees and flies.
            Message 5 of 11 , Dec 15, 2011

            I have attached a couple of review articles on the importance of dipteran pollinators.  These have references to some comparisons between bees and flies.  Hopefully you will be able to open them – if not, let me know and I’ll send the references.

             

            Kim Stoner

             

            From: beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com [mailto:beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Jean
            Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 3:06 PM
            To: Kenneth W McCravy; beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [beemonitoring] Bees vs. other pollinators

             

             

            Ken,

            The following is a good paper on pollinator efficiency; however it shows the generalist flies to be as effective as the specialist Andrena erigeniae on flowers of Claytonia virginica (Spring beauty). Motten, A. F., D. R. Campbell, et al. (1981). "Pollination effectiveness of specialist and generalist visitors to a North Carolina population of Claytonia virginica." Ecology 62(5): 1278-1287. No info on geographic variation here though

            Rob Jean

             


            From: Kenneth W McCravy <KW-McCravy@...>
            To: beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 2:19 PM
            Subject: [beemonitoring] Bees vs. other pollinators

             

            Hi,

            I've heard it stated that bees are the most important group of pollinators. Can anyone suggest published studies comparing bees with other groups of pollinators in terms of efficiency, number of plant species pollinated, or other measures, and how this might vary geographically (maybe patterns related to latitude or altitude)?

            Thanks!
            Ken

            Kenneth W. McCravy, Ph.D.
            Professor
            Department of Biological Sciences
            Western Illinois University
            1 University Circle
            Macomb, IL 61455
            Phone: (309) 298-2160
            Fax: (309) 298-2270
            Email: KW-McCravy@...

             

          • Cane, Jim
            Bob, Ken and others- I agree, that is a splendid study, a great one for teaching and discussion. Something that most folks overlook in that paper, however,
            Message 6 of 11 , Dec 15, 2011

              Bob, Ken and others- I agree, that is a splendid study, a great one for teaching and discussion.  Something that most folks overlook in that paper, however, but Motten reports, is that the specialist bee deposits more pollen than the fly when either is coming from a pistillate flower (that is, pollen carryover is great with the specialist).  It is a nice nuance, I think.

               

              At the community level (or sometimes even at the level of a floral guild), the challenge becomes demonstrating that a species 9and sex sometimes) of floral visitor indeed pollinates (even more work to quantify), a very daunting task if you have many plant species in a local community.  Jordi Bosch and colleagues in Barcelona Spain are gradually working up such a data set, but it is taking many field seasons to assemble.

               

              yours

               

              jim

               

              ===============================

              James H. Cane

              USDA-ARS Bee Biology and Systematics Lab

              Utah State University, Logan, UT 84322 USA

              tel: 435-797-3879   FAX: 435-797-0461

              email: Jim.Cane@... 

              web page: www.ars.usda.gov/npa/beelab

               

              From: beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com [mailto:beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Jean
              Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:06 PM
              To: Kenneth W McCravy; beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [beemonitoring] Bees vs. other pollinators

               

               

              Ken,

              The following is a good paper on pollinator efficiency; however it shows the generalist flies to be as effective as the specialist Andrena erigeniae on flowers of Claytonia virginica (Spring beauty). Motten, A. F., D. R. Campbell, et al. (1981). "Pollination effectiveness of specialist and generalist visitors to a North Carolina population of Claytonia virginica." Ecology 62(5): 1278-1287. No info on geographic variation here though

              Rob Jean

               


              From: Kenneth W McCravy <KW-McCravy@...>
              To: beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 2:19 PM
              Subject: [beemonitoring] Bees vs. other pollinators

               

              Hi,

              I've heard it stated that bees are the most important group of pollinators. Can anyone suggest published studies comparing bees with other groups of pollinators in terms of efficiency, number of plant species pollinated, or other measures, and how this might vary geographically (maybe patterns related to latitude or altitude)?

              Thanks!
              Ken

              Kenneth W. McCravy, Ph.D.
              Professor
              Department of Biological Sciences
              Western Illinois University
              1 University Circle
              Macomb, IL 61455
              Phone: (309) 298-2160
              Fax: (309) 298-2270
              Email: KW-McCravy@...

               

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