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  • Charley Eiseman
    Hi Sam, Didn t know that trick--I ll have to try that next time I come across mysterious bee burrows. I m sure the ants made the mounds--there is a mention of
    Message 1 of 5 , Aug 4, 2011
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      Hi Sam,

      Didn't know that trick--I'll have to try that next time I come across mysterious bee burrows.

      I'm sure the ants made the mounds--there is a mention of the 'masonry domes' created by Formica glacialis here: http://www.antcolonies.net/antnests.html.  And this mound definitely had an active ant colony in it, so I'm curious what kinds of interactions the bees and ants might have been having inside.

      Charley

      On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Sam Droege <sdroege@...> wrote:
       

      Charley:

      Very interesting.  Do you know the trick of upending clear drinking glasses over the nest holes to see who might home in those burrows?

      Also do you think the ants actually made those mounds or are simply nesting in a mound that something else built (like an old burrowing crawfish mound ...)

      sam

      Sam Droege  sdroege@...                      
      w 301-497-5840 h 301-390-7759 fax 301-497-5624
      USGS Patuxent Wildlife Research Center
      BARC-EAST, BLDG 308, RM 124 10300 Balt. Ave., Beltsville, MD  20705
      Http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov

      The Defenders

      I love the courage
      of the little black ants
      who when disturbed
      come out of their old
      fencepost as big dogs
      come after a rat,
      take hold of me,
      shake me, and growl.

      - Wendell Berry



      From:Charley Eiseman <ceiseman@...>
      To:
      Cheryl Fimbel <cfimbel@...>
      Cc:beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com
      Date:08/04/2011 11:55 AM
      Subject:Re: [beemonitoring] pocket gopher mounds and bees
      Sent by:beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com





       

      This spring I saw a number of Lasioglossum bees nesting in a Formica ant mound (as discussed here: http://bugtracks.wordpress.com/2011/05/06/bee-burrows/), and it seems plausible that the same thing might happen in soil excavated by a mammal, though I haven't come across it.  It would be a similar case of another animal providing bees with otherwise unavailable bare soil.  I'd be curious to hear if anyone has heard of or seen bees nesting in ant mounds before.

      Charley Eiseman

      On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Cheryl Fimbel <cfimbel@...> wrote:
       

      Is anyone aware of the use of pocket gopher or mole mounds (the mounds of dirt they push up onto the surface) by bees in any way? 

       

      Thank you,

      Cheryl Fimbel

      Olympia WA

       

       

       

       




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    • Matthew Shepherd
      ... Cheryl, On a couple of occasions, I ve seen halictid bees nesting in the stable bare soil of old gopher mounds. One of my local suburban greenspaces has
      Message 2 of 5 , Aug 5, 2011
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        >Is anyone aware of the use of pocket gopher or mole mounds (the mounds of
        >dirt they push up onto the surface) by bees in any way?

        >Thank you,

        >Cheryl Fimbel

         

         

        Cheryl,

         

        On a couple of occasions, I’ve seen halictid bees nesting in the stable bare soil of old gopher mounds. One of my local suburban greenspaces has hundreds (maybe thousands) of gopher mounds flanking a trail. Some of these are actively growing, but only bee nesting I’ve noticed has been on those that seem abandoned.

         

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        Messages In This Digest (4 Messages)

        1a.

        pocket gopher mounds and bees From: Cheryl Fimbel

        1b.

        Re: pocket gopher mounds and bees From: Charley Eiseman

        1c.

        Re: pocket gopher mounds and bees From: Sam Droege

        1d.

        Re: pocket gopher mounds and bees From: Charley Eiseman

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        1a.

        pocket gopher mounds and bees

        Posted by: "Cheryl Fimbel" cfimbel@...

        Thu Aug 4, 2011 8:39 am (PDT)



        Is anyone aware of the use of pocket gopher or mole mounds (the mounds of
        dirt they push up onto the surface) by bees in any way?

        Thank you,

        Cheryl Fimbel

        Olympia WA

        1b.

        Re: pocket gopher mounds and bees

        Posted by: "Charley Eiseman" ceiseman@...   charleyeiseman

        Thu Aug 4, 2011 8:55 am (PDT)



        This spring I saw a number of *Lasioglossum* bees nesting in a *Formica* ant
        mound (as discussed here:
        http://bugtracks.wordpress.com/2011/05/06/bee-burrows/), and it seems
        plausible that the same thing might happen in soil excavated by a mammal,
        though I haven't come across it. It would be a similar case of another
        animal providing bees with otherwise unavailable bare soil. I'd be curious
        to hear if anyone has heard of or seen bees nesting in ant mounds before.

        Charley Eiseman

        On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Cheryl Fimbel <cfimbel@...> wrote:

        > **
        >
        >
        > Is anyone aware of the use of pocket gopher or mole mounds (the mounds of
        > dirt they push up onto the surface) by bees in any way? ****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > Thank you,****
        >
        > Cheryl Fimbel****
        >
        > Olympia WA****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > ****
        >
        > ****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        >
        >

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        1c.

        Re: pocket gopher mounds and bees

        Posted by: "Sam Droege" sdroege@...   sam_droege

        Thu Aug 4, 2011 9:29 am (PDT)



        Charley:

        Very interesting. Do you know the trick of upending clear drinking
        glasses over the nest holes to see who might home in those burrows?

        Also do you think the ants actually made those mounds or are simply
        nesting in a mound that something else built (like an old burrowing
        crawfish mound ...)

        sam

        Sam Droege sdroege@...
        w 301-497-5840 h 301-390-7759 fax 301-497-5624
        USGS Patuxent Wildlife Research Center
        BARC-EAST, BLDG 308, RM 124 10300 Balt. Ave., Beltsville, MD 20705
        Http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov

        The Defenders

        I love the courage
        of the little black ants
        who when disturbed
        come out of their old
        fencepost as big dogs
        come after a rat,
        take hold of me,
        shake me, and growl.

        - Wendell Berry

        From:
        Charley Eiseman <ceiseman@...>
        To:
        Cheryl Fimbel <cfimbel@...>
        Cc:
        beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com
        Date:
        08/04/2011 11:55 AM
        Subject:
        Re: [beemonitoring] pocket gopher mounds and bees
        Sent by:
        beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com

        This spring I saw a number of Lasioglossum bees nesting in a Formica ant
        mound (as discussed here:
        http://bugtracks.wordpress.com/2011/05/06/bee-burrows/), and it seems
        plausible that the same thing might happen in soil excavated by a mammal,
        though I haven't come across it. It would be a similar case of another
        animal providing bees with otherwise unavailable bare soil. I'd be
        curious to hear if anyone has heard of or seen bees nesting in ant mounds
        before.

        Charley Eiseman

        On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Cheryl Fimbel <cfimbel@...>
        wrote:

        Is anyone aware of the use of pocket gopher or mole mounds (the mounds of
        dirt they push up onto the surface) by bees in any way?

        Thank you,
        Cheryl Fimbel
        Olympia WA





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        1d.

        Re: pocket gopher mounds and bees

        Posted by: "Charley Eiseman" ceiseman@...   charleyeiseman

        Thu Aug 4, 2011 9:51 am (PDT)



        Hi Sam,

        Didn't know that trick--I'll have to try that next time I come across
        mysterious bee burrows.

        I'm sure the ants made the mounds--there is a mention of the 'masonry domes'
        created by Formica glacialis here: http://www.antcolonies.net/antnests.html.
        And this mound definitely had an active ant colony in it, so I'm curious
        what kinds of interactions the bees and ants might have been having inside.

        Charley

        On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Sam Droege <sdroege@...> wrote:

        > **
        >
        >
        > Charley:
        >
        > Very interesting. Do you know the trick of upending clear drinking glasses
        > over the nest holes to see who might home in those burrows?
        >
        > Also do you think the ants actually made those mounds or are simply nesting
        > in a mound that something else built (like an old burrowing crawfish mound
        > ...)
        >
        > sam
        >
        > Sam Droege sdroege@...
        > w 301-497-5840 h 301-390-7759 fax 301-497-5624
        > USGS Patuxent Wildlife Research Center
        > BARC-EAST, BLDG 308, RM 124 10300 Balt. Ave., Beltsville, MD 20705
        > Http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov
        >
        > The Defenders
        >
        > I love the courage
        > of the little black ants
        > who when disturbed
        > come out of their old
        > fencepost as big dogs
        > come after a rat,
        > take hold of me,
        > shake me, and growl.
        >
        > - Wendell Berry
        >
        >
        >
        > From: Charley Eiseman <ceiseman@...> To:
        > Cheryl Fimbel <cfimbel@...>
        > Cc: beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com Date: 08/04/2011 11:55 AM Subject: Re:
        > [beemonitoring] pocket gopher mounds and bees Sent by:
        > beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com
        > ------------------------------
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > This spring I saw a number of *Lasioglossum* bees nesting in a *Formica*ant mound (as discussed here:
        > *http://bugtracks.wordpress.com/2011/05/06/bee-burrows/*<http://bugtracks.wordpress.com/2011/05/06/bee-burrows/>),
        > and it seems plausible that the same thing might happen in soil excavated by
        > a mammal, though I haven't come across it. It would be a similar case of
        > another animal providing bees with otherwise unavailable bare soil. I'd be
        > curious to hear if anyone has heard of or seen bees nesting in ant mounds
        > before.
        >
        > Charley Eiseman
        >
        > On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Cheryl Fimbel <*cfimbel@...*<cfimbel@...>>
        > wrote:
        >
        >
        > Is anyone aware of the use of pocket gopher or mole mounds (the mounds of
        > dirt they push up onto the surface) by bees in any way?
        >
        >
        >
        > Thank you,
        >
        > Cheryl Fimbel
        >
        > Olympia WA
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > --
        > Ecological services: *www.charleyeiseman.com*<http://www.charleyeiseman.com/>
        >
        > Blog: *bugtracks.wordpress.com* <http://bugtracks.wordpress.com/>
        > Book & natural history programs: *www.northernnaturalists.com*<http://www.northernnaturalists.com/>
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >

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