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  • Charley Eiseman
    This spring I saw a number of *Lasioglossum* bees nesting in a *Formica* ant mound (as discussed here: http://bugtracks.wordpress.com/2011/05/06/bee-burrows/),
    Message 1 of 5 , Aug 4 8:55 AM
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      This spring I saw a number of Lasioglossum bees nesting in a Formica ant mound (as discussed here: http://bugtracks.wordpress.com/2011/05/06/bee-burrows/), and it seems plausible that the same thing might happen in soil excavated by a mammal, though I haven't come across it.  It would be a similar case of another animal providing bees with otherwise unavailable bare soil.  I'd be curious to hear if anyone has heard of or seen bees nesting in ant mounds before.

      Charley Eiseman

      On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Cheryl Fimbel <cfimbel@...> wrote:
       

      Is anyone aware of the use of pocket gopher or mole mounds (the mounds of dirt they push up onto the surface) by bees in any way? 

       

      Thank you,

      Cheryl Fimbel

      Olympia WA

       

       

       

       




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    • Sam Droege
      Charley: Very interesting. Do you know the trick of upending clear drinking glasses over the nest holes to see who might home in those burrows? Also do you
      Message 2 of 5 , Aug 4 9:29 AM
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        Charley:

        Very interesting.  Do you know the trick of upending clear drinking glasses over the nest holes to see who might home in those burrows?

        Also do you think the ants actually made those mounds or are simply nesting in a mound that something else built (like an old burrowing crawfish mound ...)

        sam

        Sam Droege  sdroege@...                      
        w 301-497-5840 h 301-390-7759 fax 301-497-5624
        USGS Patuxent Wildlife Research Center
        BARC-EAST, BLDG 308, RM 124 10300 Balt. Ave., Beltsville, MD  20705
        Http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov

        The Defenders

        I love the courage
        of the little black ants
        who when disturbed
        come out of their old
        fencepost as big dogs
        come after a rat,
        take hold of me,
        shake me, and growl.

        - Wendell Berry



        From:Charley Eiseman <ceiseman@...>
        To:Cheryl Fimbel <cfimbel@...>
        Cc:beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com
        Date:08/04/2011 11:55 AM
        Subject:Re: [beemonitoring] pocket gopher mounds and bees
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        This spring I saw a number of Lasioglossum bees nesting in a Formica ant mound (as discussed here: http://bugtracks.wordpress.com/2011/05/06/bee-burrows/), and it seems plausible that the same thing might happen in soil excavated by a mammal, though I haven't come across it.  It would be a similar case of another animal providing bees with otherwise unavailable bare soil.  I'd be curious to hear if anyone has heard of or seen bees nesting in ant mounds before.

        Charley Eiseman

        On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Cheryl Fimbel <cfimbel@...> wrote:
         

        Is anyone aware of the use of pocket gopher or mole mounds (the mounds of dirt they push up onto the surface) by bees in any way? 

         

        Thank you,

        Cheryl Fimbel

        Olympia WA

         

         

         

         




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      • Charley Eiseman
        Hi Sam, Didn t know that trick--I ll have to try that next time I come across mysterious bee burrows. I m sure the ants made the mounds--there is a mention of
        Message 3 of 5 , Aug 4 9:51 AM
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          Hi Sam,

          Didn't know that trick--I'll have to try that next time I come across mysterious bee burrows.

          I'm sure the ants made the mounds--there is a mention of the 'masonry domes' created by Formica glacialis here: http://www.antcolonies.net/antnests.html.  And this mound definitely had an active ant colony in it, so I'm curious what kinds of interactions the bees and ants might have been having inside.

          Charley

          On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Sam Droege <sdroege@...> wrote:
           

          Charley:

          Very interesting.  Do you know the trick of upending clear drinking glasses over the nest holes to see who might home in those burrows?

          Also do you think the ants actually made those mounds or are simply nesting in a mound that something else built (like an old burrowing crawfish mound ...)

          sam

          Sam Droege  sdroege@...                      
          w 301-497-5840 h 301-390-7759 fax 301-497-5624
          USGS Patuxent Wildlife Research Center
          BARC-EAST, BLDG 308, RM 124 10300 Balt. Ave., Beltsville, MD  20705
          Http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov

          The Defenders

          I love the courage
          of the little black ants
          who when disturbed
          come out of their old
          fencepost as big dogs
          come after a rat,
          take hold of me,
          shake me, and growl.

          - Wendell Berry



          From:Charley Eiseman <ceiseman@...>
          To:
          Cheryl Fimbel <cfimbel@...>
          Cc:beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com
          Date:08/04/2011 11:55 AM
          Subject:Re: [beemonitoring] pocket gopher mounds and bees
          Sent by:beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com





           

          This spring I saw a number of Lasioglossum bees nesting in a Formica ant mound (as discussed here: http://bugtracks.wordpress.com/2011/05/06/bee-burrows/), and it seems plausible that the same thing might happen in soil excavated by a mammal, though I haven't come across it.  It would be a similar case of another animal providing bees with otherwise unavailable bare soil.  I'd be curious to hear if anyone has heard of or seen bees nesting in ant mounds before.

          Charley Eiseman

          On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Cheryl Fimbel <cfimbel@...> wrote:
           

          Is anyone aware of the use of pocket gopher or mole mounds (the mounds of dirt they push up onto the surface) by bees in any way? 

           

          Thank you,

          Cheryl Fimbel

          Olympia WA

           

           

           

           




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        • Matthew Shepherd
          ... Cheryl, On a couple of occasions, I ve seen halictid bees nesting in the stable bare soil of old gopher mounds. One of my local suburban greenspaces has
          Message 4 of 5 , Aug 5 6:04 AM
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            >Is anyone aware of the use of pocket gopher or mole mounds (the mounds of
            >dirt they push up onto the surface) by bees in any way?

            >Thank you,

            >Cheryl Fimbel

             

             

            Cheryl,

             

            On a couple of occasions, I’ve seen halictid bees nesting in the stable bare soil of old gopher mounds. One of my local suburban greenspaces has hundreds (maybe thousands) of gopher mounds flanking a trail. Some of these are actively growing, but only bee nesting I’ve noticed has been on those that seem abandoned.

             

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            Messages In This Digest (4 Messages)

            1a.

            pocket gopher mounds and bees From: Cheryl Fimbel

            1b.

            Re: pocket gopher mounds and bees From: Charley Eiseman

            1c.

            Re: pocket gopher mounds and bees From: Sam Droege

            1d.

            Re: pocket gopher mounds and bees From: Charley Eiseman

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            1a.

            pocket gopher mounds and bees

            Posted by: "Cheryl Fimbel" cfimbel@...

            Thu Aug 4, 2011 8:39 am (PDT)



            Is anyone aware of the use of pocket gopher or mole mounds (the mounds of
            dirt they push up onto the surface) by bees in any way?

            Thank you,

            Cheryl Fimbel

            Olympia WA

            1b.

            Re: pocket gopher mounds and bees

            Posted by: "Charley Eiseman" ceiseman@...   charleyeiseman

            Thu Aug 4, 2011 8:55 am (PDT)



            This spring I saw a number of *Lasioglossum* bees nesting in a *Formica* ant
            mound (as discussed here:
            http://bugtracks.wordpress.com/2011/05/06/bee-burrows/), and it seems
            plausible that the same thing might happen in soil excavated by a mammal,
            though I haven't come across it. It would be a similar case of another
            animal providing bees with otherwise unavailable bare soil. I'd be curious
            to hear if anyone has heard of or seen bees nesting in ant mounds before.

            Charley Eiseman

            On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Cheryl Fimbel <cfimbel@...> wrote:

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            > Is anyone aware of the use of pocket gopher or mole mounds (the mounds of
            > dirt they push up onto the surface) by bees in any way? ****
            >
            > ** **
            >
            > Thank you,****
            >
            > Cheryl Fimbel****
            >
            > Olympia WA****
            >
            > ** **
            >
            > ****
            >
            > ****
            >
            > ** **
            >
            >
            >

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            1c.

            Re: pocket gopher mounds and bees

            Posted by: "Sam Droege" sdroege@...   sam_droege

            Thu Aug 4, 2011 9:29 am (PDT)



            Charley:

            Very interesting. Do you know the trick of upending clear drinking
            glasses over the nest holes to see who might home in those burrows?

            Also do you think the ants actually made those mounds or are simply
            nesting in a mound that something else built (like an old burrowing
            crawfish mound ...)

            sam

            Sam Droege sdroege@...
            w 301-497-5840 h 301-390-7759 fax 301-497-5624
            USGS Patuxent Wildlife Research Center
            BARC-EAST, BLDG 308, RM 124 10300 Balt. Ave., Beltsville, MD 20705
            Http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov

            The Defenders

            I love the courage
            of the little black ants
            who when disturbed
            come out of their old
            fencepost as big dogs
            come after a rat,
            take hold of me,
            shake me, and growl.

            - Wendell Berry

            From:
            Charley Eiseman <ceiseman@...>
            To:
            Cheryl Fimbel <cfimbel@...>
            Cc:
            beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com
            Date:
            08/04/2011 11:55 AM
            Subject:
            Re: [beemonitoring] pocket gopher mounds and bees
            Sent by:
            beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com

            This spring I saw a number of Lasioglossum bees nesting in a Formica ant
            mound (as discussed here:
            http://bugtracks.wordpress.com/2011/05/06/bee-burrows/), and it seems
            plausible that the same thing might happen in soil excavated by a mammal,
            though I haven't come across it. It would be a similar case of another
            animal providing bees with otherwise unavailable bare soil. I'd be
            curious to hear if anyone has heard of or seen bees nesting in ant mounds
            before.

            Charley Eiseman

            On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Cheryl Fimbel <cfimbel@...>
            wrote:

            Is anyone aware of the use of pocket gopher or mole mounds (the mounds of
            dirt they push up onto the surface) by bees in any way?

            Thank you,
            Cheryl Fimbel
            Olympia WA





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            Blog: bugtracks.wordpress.com
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            1d.

            Re: pocket gopher mounds and bees

            Posted by: "Charley Eiseman" ceiseman@...   charleyeiseman

            Thu Aug 4, 2011 9:51 am (PDT)



            Hi Sam,

            Didn't know that trick--I'll have to try that next time I come across
            mysterious bee burrows.

            I'm sure the ants made the mounds--there is a mention of the 'masonry domes'
            created by Formica glacialis here: http://www.antcolonies.net/antnests.html.
            And this mound definitely had an active ant colony in it, so I'm curious
            what kinds of interactions the bees and ants might have been having inside.

            Charley

            On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Sam Droege <sdroege@...> wrote:

            > **
            >
            >
            > Charley:
            >
            > Very interesting. Do you know the trick of upending clear drinking glasses
            > over the nest holes to see who might home in those burrows?
            >
            > Also do you think the ants actually made those mounds or are simply nesting
            > in a mound that something else built (like an old burrowing crawfish mound
            > ...)
            >
            > sam
            >
            > Sam Droege sdroege@...
            > w 301-497-5840 h 301-390-7759 fax 301-497-5624
            > USGS Patuxent Wildlife Research Center
            > BARC-EAST, BLDG 308, RM 124 10300 Balt. Ave., Beltsville, MD 20705
            > Http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov
            >
            > The Defenders
            >
            > I love the courage
            > of the little black ants
            > who when disturbed
            > come out of their old
            > fencepost as big dogs
            > come after a rat,
            > take hold of me,
            > shake me, and growl.
            >
            > - Wendell Berry
            >
            >
            >
            > From: Charley Eiseman <ceiseman@...> To:
            > Cheryl Fimbel <cfimbel@...>
            > Cc: beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com Date: 08/04/2011 11:55 AM Subject: Re:
            > [beemonitoring] pocket gopher mounds and bees Sent by:
            > beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com
            > ------------------------------
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > This spring I saw a number of *Lasioglossum* bees nesting in a *Formica*ant mound (as discussed here:
            > *http://bugtracks.wordpress.com/2011/05/06/bee-burrows/*<http://bugtracks.wordpress.com/2011/05/06/bee-burrows/>),
            > and it seems plausible that the same thing might happen in soil excavated by
            > a mammal, though I haven't come across it. It would be a similar case of
            > another animal providing bees with otherwise unavailable bare soil. I'd be
            > curious to hear if anyone has heard of or seen bees nesting in ant mounds
            > before.
            >
            > Charley Eiseman
            >
            > On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Cheryl Fimbel <*cfimbel@...*<cfimbel@...>>
            > wrote:
            >
            >
            > Is anyone aware of the use of pocket gopher or mole mounds (the mounds of
            > dirt they push up onto the surface) by bees in any way?
            >
            >
            >
            > Thank you,
            >
            > Cheryl Fimbel
            >
            > Olympia WA
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > --
            > Ecological services: *www.charleyeiseman.com*<http://www.charleyeiseman.com/>
            >
            > Blog: *bugtracks.wordpress.com* <http://bugtracks.wordpress.com/>
            > Book & natural history programs: *www.northernnaturalists.com*<http://www.northernnaturalists.com/>
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >

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