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  • Cheryl Fimbel
    Is anyone aware of the use of pocket gopher or mole mounds (the mounds of dirt they push up onto the surface) by bees in any way? Thank you, Cheryl Fimbel
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      Is anyone aware of the use of pocket gopher or mole mounds (the mounds of dirt they push up onto the surface) by bees in any way? 

       

      Thank you,

      Cheryl Fimbel

      Olympia WA

       

       

       

       

    • Charley Eiseman
      This spring I saw a number of *Lasioglossum* bees nesting in a *Formica* ant mound (as discussed here: http://bugtracks.wordpress.com/2011/05/06/bee-burrows/),
      Message 2 of 5 , Aug 4, 2011
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        This spring I saw a number of Lasioglossum bees nesting in a Formica ant mound (as discussed here: http://bugtracks.wordpress.com/2011/05/06/bee-burrows/), and it seems plausible that the same thing might happen in soil excavated by a mammal, though I haven't come across it.  It would be a similar case of another animal providing bees with otherwise unavailable bare soil.  I'd be curious to hear if anyone has heard of or seen bees nesting in ant mounds before.

        Charley Eiseman

        On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Cheryl Fimbel <cfimbel@...> wrote:
         

        Is anyone aware of the use of pocket gopher or mole mounds (the mounds of dirt they push up onto the surface) by bees in any way? 

         

        Thank you,

        Cheryl Fimbel

        Olympia WA

         

         

         

         




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      • Sam Droege
        Charley: Very interesting. Do you know the trick of upending clear drinking glasses over the nest holes to see who might home in those burrows? Also do you
        Message 3 of 5 , Aug 4, 2011
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          Charley:

          Very interesting.  Do you know the trick of upending clear drinking glasses over the nest holes to see who might home in those burrows?

          Also do you think the ants actually made those mounds or are simply nesting in a mound that something else built (like an old burrowing crawfish mound ...)

          sam

          Sam Droege  sdroege@...                      
          w 301-497-5840 h 301-390-7759 fax 301-497-5624
          USGS Patuxent Wildlife Research Center
          BARC-EAST, BLDG 308, RM 124 10300 Balt. Ave., Beltsville, MD  20705
          Http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov

          The Defenders

          I love the courage
          of the little black ants
          who when disturbed
          come out of their old
          fencepost as big dogs
          come after a rat,
          take hold of me,
          shake me, and growl.

          - Wendell Berry



          From:Charley Eiseman <ceiseman@...>
          To:Cheryl Fimbel <cfimbel@...>
          Cc:beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com
          Date:08/04/2011 11:55 AM
          Subject:Re: [beemonitoring] pocket gopher mounds and bees
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          This spring I saw a number of Lasioglossum bees nesting in a Formica ant mound (as discussed here: http://bugtracks.wordpress.com/2011/05/06/bee-burrows/), and it seems plausible that the same thing might happen in soil excavated by a mammal, though I haven't come across it.  It would be a similar case of another animal providing bees with otherwise unavailable bare soil.  I'd be curious to hear if anyone has heard of or seen bees nesting in ant mounds before.

          Charley Eiseman

          On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Cheryl Fimbel <cfimbel@...> wrote:
           

          Is anyone aware of the use of pocket gopher or mole mounds (the mounds of dirt they push up onto the surface) by bees in any way? 

           

          Thank you,

          Cheryl Fimbel

          Olympia WA

           

           

           

           




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        • Charley Eiseman
          Hi Sam, Didn t know that trick--I ll have to try that next time I come across mysterious bee burrows. I m sure the ants made the mounds--there is a mention of
          Message 4 of 5 , Aug 4, 2011
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            Hi Sam,

            Didn't know that trick--I'll have to try that next time I come across mysterious bee burrows.

            I'm sure the ants made the mounds--there is a mention of the 'masonry domes' created by Formica glacialis here: http://www.antcolonies.net/antnests.html.  And this mound definitely had an active ant colony in it, so I'm curious what kinds of interactions the bees and ants might have been having inside.

            Charley

            On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Sam Droege <sdroege@...> wrote:
             

            Charley:

            Very interesting.  Do you know the trick of upending clear drinking glasses over the nest holes to see who might home in those burrows?

            Also do you think the ants actually made those mounds or are simply nesting in a mound that something else built (like an old burrowing crawfish mound ...)

            sam

            Sam Droege  sdroege@...                      
            w 301-497-5840 h 301-390-7759 fax 301-497-5624
            USGS Patuxent Wildlife Research Center
            BARC-EAST, BLDG 308, RM 124 10300 Balt. Ave., Beltsville, MD  20705
            Http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov

            The Defenders

            I love the courage
            of the little black ants
            who when disturbed
            come out of their old
            fencepost as big dogs
            come after a rat,
            take hold of me,
            shake me, and growl.

            - Wendell Berry



            From:Charley Eiseman <ceiseman@...>
            To:
            Cheryl Fimbel <cfimbel@...>
            Cc:beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com
            Date:08/04/2011 11:55 AM
            Subject:Re: [beemonitoring] pocket gopher mounds and bees
            Sent by:beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com





             

            This spring I saw a number of Lasioglossum bees nesting in a Formica ant mound (as discussed here: http://bugtracks.wordpress.com/2011/05/06/bee-burrows/), and it seems plausible that the same thing might happen in soil excavated by a mammal, though I haven't come across it.  It would be a similar case of another animal providing bees with otherwise unavailable bare soil.  I'd be curious to hear if anyone has heard of or seen bees nesting in ant mounds before.

            Charley Eiseman

            On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Cheryl Fimbel <cfimbel@...> wrote:
             

            Is anyone aware of the use of pocket gopher or mole mounds (the mounds of dirt they push up onto the surface) by bees in any way? 

             

            Thank you,

            Cheryl Fimbel

            Olympia WA

             

             

             

             




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          • Matthew Shepherd
            ... Cheryl, On a couple of occasions, I ve seen halictid bees nesting in the stable bare soil of old gopher mounds. One of my local suburban greenspaces has
            Message 5 of 5 , Aug 5, 2011
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              Bee Inventory, Monitoring, and ID

              >Is anyone aware of the use of pocket gopher or mole mounds (the mounds of
              >dirt they push up onto the surface) by bees in any way?

              >Thank you,

              >Cheryl Fimbel

               

               

              Cheryl,

               

              On a couple of occasions, I’ve seen halictid bees nesting in the stable bare soil of old gopher mounds. One of my local suburban greenspaces has hundreds (maybe thousands) of gopher mounds flanking a trail. Some of these are actively growing, but only bee nesting I’ve noticed has been on those that seem abandoned.

               

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              Messages In This Digest (4 Messages)

              1a.

              pocket gopher mounds and bees From: Cheryl Fimbel

              1b.

              Re: pocket gopher mounds and bees From: Charley Eiseman

              1c.

              Re: pocket gopher mounds and bees From: Sam Droege

              1d.

              Re: pocket gopher mounds and bees From: Charley Eiseman

              Messages

              1a.

              pocket gopher mounds and bees

              Posted by: "Cheryl Fimbel" cfimbel@...

              Thu Aug 4, 2011 8:39 am (PDT)



              Is anyone aware of the use of pocket gopher or mole mounds (the mounds of
              dirt they push up onto the surface) by bees in any way?

              Thank you,

              Cheryl Fimbel

              Olympia WA

              1b.

              Re: pocket gopher mounds and bees

              Posted by: "Charley Eiseman" ceiseman@...   charleyeiseman

              Thu Aug 4, 2011 8:55 am (PDT)



              This spring I saw a number of *Lasioglossum* bees nesting in a *Formica* ant
              mound (as discussed here:
              http://bugtracks.wordpress.com/2011/05/06/bee-burrows/), and it seems
              plausible that the same thing might happen in soil excavated by a mammal,
              though I haven't come across it. It would be a similar case of another
              animal providing bees with otherwise unavailable bare soil. I'd be curious
              to hear if anyone has heard of or seen bees nesting in ant mounds before.

              Charley Eiseman

              On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Cheryl Fimbel <cfimbel@...> wrote:

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              > Is anyone aware of the use of pocket gopher or mole mounds (the mounds of
              > dirt they push up onto the surface) by bees in any way? ****
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              >
              > Thank you,****
              >
              > Cheryl Fimbel****
              >
              > Olympia WA****
              >
              > ** **
              >
              > ****
              >
              > ****
              >
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              1c.

              Re: pocket gopher mounds and bees

              Posted by: "Sam Droege" sdroege@...   sam_droege

              Thu Aug 4, 2011 9:29 am (PDT)



              Charley:

              Very interesting. Do you know the trick of upending clear drinking
              glasses over the nest holes to see who might home in those burrows?

              Also do you think the ants actually made those mounds or are simply
              nesting in a mound that something else built (like an old burrowing
              crawfish mound ...)

              sam

              Sam Droege sdroege@...
              w 301-497-5840 h 301-390-7759 fax 301-497-5624
              USGS Patuxent Wildlife Research Center
              BARC-EAST, BLDG 308, RM 124 10300 Balt. Ave., Beltsville, MD 20705
              Http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov

              The Defenders

              I love the courage
              of the little black ants
              who when disturbed
              come out of their old
              fencepost as big dogs
              come after a rat,
              take hold of me,
              shake me, and growl.

              - Wendell Berry

              From:
              Charley Eiseman <ceiseman@...>
              To:
              Cheryl Fimbel <cfimbel@...>
              Cc:
              beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com
              Date:
              08/04/2011 11:55 AM
              Subject:
              Re: [beemonitoring] pocket gopher mounds and bees
              Sent by:
              beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com

              This spring I saw a number of Lasioglossum bees nesting in a Formica ant
              mound (as discussed here:
              http://bugtracks.wordpress.com/2011/05/06/bee-burrows/), and it seems
              plausible that the same thing might happen in soil excavated by a mammal,
              though I haven't come across it. It would be a similar case of another
              animal providing bees with otherwise unavailable bare soil. I'd be
              curious to hear if anyone has heard of or seen bees nesting in ant mounds
              before.

              Charley Eiseman

              On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Cheryl Fimbel <cfimbel@...>
              wrote:

              Is anyone aware of the use of pocket gopher or mole mounds (the mounds of
              dirt they push up onto the surface) by bees in any way?

              Thank you,
              Cheryl Fimbel
              Olympia WA





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              1d.

              Re: pocket gopher mounds and bees

              Posted by: "Charley Eiseman" ceiseman@...   charleyeiseman

              Thu Aug 4, 2011 9:51 am (PDT)



              Hi Sam,

              Didn't know that trick--I'll have to try that next time I come across
              mysterious bee burrows.

              I'm sure the ants made the mounds--there is a mention of the 'masonry domes'
              created by Formica glacialis here: http://www.antcolonies.net/antnests.html.
              And this mound definitely had an active ant colony in it, so I'm curious
              what kinds of interactions the bees and ants might have been having inside.

              Charley

              On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Sam Droege <sdroege@...> wrote:

              > **
              >
              >
              > Charley:
              >
              > Very interesting. Do you know the trick of upending clear drinking glasses
              > over the nest holes to see who might home in those burrows?
              >
              > Also do you think the ants actually made those mounds or are simply nesting
              > in a mound that something else built (like an old burrowing crawfish mound
              > ...)
              >
              > sam
              >
              > Sam Droege sdroege@...
              > w 301-497-5840 h 301-390-7759 fax 301-497-5624
              > USGS Patuxent Wildlife Research Center
              > BARC-EAST, BLDG 308, RM 124 10300 Balt. Ave., Beltsville, MD 20705
              > Http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov
              >
              > The Defenders
              >
              > I love the courage
              > of the little black ants
              > who when disturbed
              > come out of their old
              > fencepost as big dogs
              > come after a rat,
              > take hold of me,
              > shake me, and growl.
              >
              > - Wendell Berry
              >
              >
              >
              > From: Charley Eiseman <ceiseman@...> To:
              > Cheryl Fimbel <cfimbel@...>
              > Cc: beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com Date: 08/04/2011 11:55 AM Subject: Re:
              > [beemonitoring] pocket gopher mounds and bees Sent by:
              > beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com
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              > This spring I saw a number of *Lasioglossum* bees nesting in a *Formica*ant mound (as discussed here:
              > *http://bugtracks.wordpress.com/2011/05/06/bee-burrows/*<http://bugtracks.wordpress.com/2011/05/06/bee-burrows/>),
              > and it seems plausible that the same thing might happen in soil excavated by
              > a mammal, though I haven't come across it. It would be a similar case of
              > another animal providing bees with otherwise unavailable bare soil. I'd be
              > curious to hear if anyone has heard of or seen bees nesting in ant mounds
              > before.
              >
              > Charley Eiseman
              >
              > On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Cheryl Fimbel <*cfimbel@...*<cfimbel@...>>
              > wrote:
              >
              >
              > Is anyone aware of the use of pocket gopher or mole mounds (the mounds of
              > dirt they push up onto the surface) by bees in any way?
              >
              >
              >
              > Thank you,
              >
              > Cheryl Fimbel
              >
              > Olympia WA
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
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              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > --
              > Ecological services: *www.charleyeiseman.com*<http://www.charleyeiseman.com/>
              >
              > Blog: *bugtracks.wordpress.com* <http://bugtracks.wordpress.com/>
              > Book & natural history programs: *www.northernnaturalists.com*<http://www.northernnaturalists.com/>
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