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Re: Re: [beemonitoring] Wing Length As a Measure of Size

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  • Anita M. Collins
    USDA ID the morphometric measurements used to differentiate Africanized and European honey bees does use wing length as a quick and dirty field measurement.
    Message 1 of 11 , May 15, 2011
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       USDA ID the morphometric measurements used to differentiate Africanized and European honey bees does use wing length as a quick and dirty field measurement.  That will work for extremes of both types, but more intermediate sizes require a 23 (can't remember exactly) point measurement.  This includes other wing lengths and angles, as well as wax mirror length and width, and number of hamuli on the wings. 
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      On 04/29/11, Matthias Buck<buckmb@...> wrote:  

      Hi all,

      Yes, I am using wing length as a measure in Vespidae. I have never looked into how this precisely relates to other body measurements such as weight, size of thorax etc. However, the scope of my work has been purely taxonomic, so I have not been interested in fitness parameters, foraging ranges or that sort of thing. It simply serves me as an approximate indicator of body size.



      On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Sam Droege <sdroege@...> wrote:


      I believe Matthias  Buck often uses wing length in his vespid work as a measure of size.... I would assume that the regression people have looked at this with bees....?


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      From:Jack Neff <jlnatctmi@...>
      To:Sam Droege <sdroege@...>, beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com
      Cc:Nicole Freeman <ndfreeman@...>
      Date:04/29/2011 11:05 AM
      Subject:Re: [beemonitoring] Question about Intertegular Spans and Foraging Distance

      All:  The best way to measure size is to actually weigh the bees, but that's a bit messy with pinned specimens.  Transtegular span works as well as any single morphological measurement when comparing things which vary greatly in size.  Its utility decreases when dealing with things of roughly similar size (at least in one dimension) since it assumes everything is essentially the same shape, something that doesn't work well when comparing things like a Chelostoma and an Exomalopsis or anything with any form of allometry.  One should also be aware that the  folks who have concocted regression analyses leading to the formulas predicting mass from transtegular widths have all come up with slightly different equations based on the different datasets they analyzed.

      John L. Neff
      Central Texas Melittological Institute
      7307 Running Rope
      Austin,TX 78731 USA

      From: Sam Droege <sdroege@...>
      Nicole Freeman <ndfreeman@...>
      Thu, April 28, 2011 8:26:57 PM
      [beemonitoring] Question about Intertegular Spans and Foraging Distance



      Nicole Freeman asked me to past the question below.  You can either reply to her directly (
      Nicole Freeman <ndfreeman@...>) or to the group.  I think the topic is of general enough interest that it would be nice to see what the group thinks about using size as a surrogate for territory/foraging range from a trapping location as well as the notion that Intertegular Spans are the best way to measure size of a bee from dried specimens.  ... in addition to Nicole's question about whether there is any sort of compilation of such measurements.


      My name is Nicole Freeman and I am a Master's student working on a bee
      project in Little Rock Arkansas.  A point of interest in my study are
      possible sources for the bees that I collected last summer in the
      Little Rock area.

      I plan to identify these by mapping my study sites and placing a
      buffer (basically a circle) around each site that would be the
      foraging distance for each taxa collected.  I have found several
      references that indicate that you can estimate foraging distance using
      bee size.  They also indicate that intertegular spans (ITs) are the
      best way to calculate bee size without damaging specimens.

      I was wondering if anyone had a quick reference guide to genera IT spans.
      Apidae ITs are usual X mm....Megachlidae ITs are usually Y mm and so
      on.  Thank you so much for your time.

      Nicole Freeman

      Dr. Matthias Buck
      Invertebrate Zoology
      Royal Alberta Museum
      12845-102nd Avenue
      Edmonton, Alberta
      Canada, T5N 0M6
      Phone: (780) 453-9122
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