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Re: Re: [beemonitoring] Propylene glycol and cats

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  • Anita M. Collins
    Quinine as an addition is a good possibility. Honey bees don t taste it. They used quinine to spike sugar sold to beekeepers during WWII so that it could not
    Message 1 of 7 , Apr 6 8:01 PM
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      Quinine as an addition is a good possibility.  Honey bees don't taste it.  They used quinine to spike sugar sold to beekeepers during WWII so that it could not be resold on the black market, just used to feed colonies.
       
      Anita
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      Apr 6, 2011 04:45:18 PM, HIkerd@... wrote:
       

      All-

      Quinine (quinine sulfate / quinine bisulfate) will discourage most all would be drinkers. I can't give you any exact doses but it will it does work. Should act like a salt in solution but the quantity I used (ten years ago - can't remember) did not affect the mounted quality of the bees to any noticeable degree.

      Buying the "anti-parasitic" medication for pond fish is the cheapest way of getting it.

      There is also the advantage of  Quinine being very sensitive to ultraviolet light (UV) as it will fluoresce in direct sunlight....


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      On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Stoner, Kimberly <Kimberly.Stoner@...> wrote:
       

      In relation to propylene glycol and cats:

       

      Apparently cats do have unique sensitivity to propylene glycol, which is not true of humans, dogs, or cattle.

       

      See this publication by the American Chemistry Council, not a group of “chemophobes” by any stretch of the imagination:

      http://msdssearch.dow.com/PublishedLiteratureDOWCOM/dh_0046/0901b80380046c77.pdf?filepath=propyleneglycol/pdfs/noreg/117-01660.pdf&fromPage=GetDoc

       

      and this article on “Heinz body formation in cats” from a veterinary school:

      http://www.vet.uga.edu/vpp/clerk/tarigo/index.php

       

      Propylene glycol (PG) is a common cause of HzB in cats. PG is a polyhydric alcohol used commonly as a solvent and preservative in pharmaceuticals, and as an inexpensive carbohydrate source in semi-moist foods for animals.3”

      3. Christopher MM, White JG, Eaton JW. Erythrocyte pathology and mechanisms of Heinz body-mediated hemolysis in cats. Vet Pathol. 27:299-310. 1990.

      It would be wise to put the propylene glycol traps in locations where cats would not have access to them (inside fences, perhaps?)  I’ll think about that for the traps I intend to be putting out next week!

       

      Kim Stoner


    • Sam Droege
      We had no evidence of any animal drinking the material from around the country. Additionally, I had a whole series of traps in my yard with a dog and cat that
      Message 2 of 7 , Apr 7 2:42 AM
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        We had no evidence of any animal drinking the material from around the country.  Additionally, I had a whole series of traps in my yard with a dog and cat that both eat all sorts of disgusting things and they completely ignored the traps which were right at convenient drinking height.

        PG is used commonly by vets for lubricating pills for dogs and reaching inside of large animals....(but apparently not reaching inside of cats).  Vet supply houses are good places to buy gallon stocks of pure PG.

        sam

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        From:Leo Shapiro <leoshapiro99@...>
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        I don't know that anyone has collected data on the effect of propylene glycol on wild felines, but it would certainly not be surprising if they showed sensitivity similar to that seen in domestic cats, so that may be a reasonable concern in some areas.

        Sam or others who've been trapping with propylene glycol for a while: do you see much evidence of ANY mammals drinking it?  One advantage over ethylene glycol is supposed to be the lack of a sweet taste possibly making it less appealing (of course, domestic cats supposedly can't taste "sweet" anyhow). I think the main reason there has been research on the impact of propylene glycol on cats is with respect to its use as a food additive.



        On Apr 6, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Jil_Swearingen@... wrote:

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        Leo and others,

        Bobcats and other wild felines could be affected. Does anyone have any
        information on that?

        Thanks,

        Jil

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        Yes, this is good for people to be aware of. But I'm guessing cats are
        less inclined to drink the stuff than are many other animals (I'm sure
        someone will correct me if I'm mistaken!).



        Of course, cats should not be wandering around outdoors anyhow:

        http://www.abcbirds.org/abcprograms/policy/cats/index.html

        Leo Shapiro



        On Apr 6, 2011, at 3:51 PM, Stoner, Kimberly wrote:




        In relation to propylene glycol and cats:





        Apparently cats do have unique sensitivity to propylene glycol, which
        is not true of humans, dogs, or cattle.





        See this publication by the American Chemistry Council, not a group
        of “chemophobes” by any stretch of the imagination:


        http://msdssearch.dow.com/PublishedLiteratureDOWCOM/dh_0046/0901b80380046c77.pdf?filepath=propyleneglycol/pdfs/noreg/117-01660.pdf&fromPage=GetDoc





        and this article on “Heinz body formation in cats” from a veterinary
        school:


        http://www.vet.uga.edu/vpp/clerk/tarigo/index.php





        “Propylene glycol (PG) is a common cause of HzB in cats. PG is a
        polyhydric alcohol used commonly as a solvent and preservative in
        pharmaceuticals, and as an inexpensive carbohydrate source in
        semi-moist foods for animals.3”


        3. Christopher MM, White JG, Eaton JW. Erythrocyte pathology and
        mechanisms of Heinz body-mediated hemolysis in cats. Vet Pathol.
        27:299-310. 1990.


        It would be wise to put the propylene glycol traps in locations where
        cats would not have access to them (inside fences, perhaps?) I’ll
        think about that for the traps I intend to be putting out next week!





        Kim Stoner







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