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Re: [beemonitoring] Propylene glycol and cats

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  • Leo Shapiro
    Yes, this is good for people to be aware of. But I m guessing cats are less inclined to drink the stuff than are many other animals (I m sure someone will
    Message 1 of 7 , Apr 6, 2011
      Yes, this is good for people to be aware of.  But I'm guessing cats are less inclined to drink the stuff than are many other animals (I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm mistaken!).

      Of course, cats should not be wandering around outdoors anyhow:


      Leo Shapiro



      On Apr 6, 2011, at 3:51 PM, Stoner, Kimberly wrote:


      In relation to propylene glycol and cats:

       

      Apparently cats do have unique sensitivity to propylene glycol, which is not true of humans, dogs, or cattle.

       

      See this publication by the American Chemistry Council, not a group of “chemophobes” by any stretch of the imagination:

      http://msdssearch.dow.com/PublishedLiteratureDOWCOM/dh_0046/0901b80380046c77.pdf?filepath=propyleneglycol/pdfs/noreg/117-01660.pdf&fromPage=GetDoc

       

      and this article on “Heinz body formation in cats” from a veterinary school:

      http://www.vet.uga.edu/vpp/clerk/tarigo/index.php

       

      Propylene glycol (PG) is a common cause of HzB in cats. PG is a polyhydric alcohol used commonly as a solvent and preservative in pharmaceuticals, and as an inexpensive carbohydrate source in semi-moist foods for animals.3”

      3. Christopher MM, White JG, Eaton JW. Erythrocyte pathology and mechanisms of Heinz body-mediated hemolysis in cats. Vet Pathol. 27:299-310. 1990.

      It would be wise to put the propylene glycol traps in locations where cats would not have access to them (inside fences, perhaps?)  I’ll think about that for the traps I intend to be putting out next week!

       

      Kim Stoner



    • Jil_Swearingen@nps.gov
      Leo and others, Bobcats and other wild felines could be affected. Does anyone have any information on that? Thanks, Jil ________________ JiL SWEARINGEN IPM &
      Message 2 of 7 , Apr 6, 2011
      Leo and others,

      Bobcats and other wild felines could be affected. Does anyone have any
      information on that?

      Thanks,

      Jil

      ________________
      JiL SWEARINGEN
      IPM & Invasive Species Specialist
      NCR Center for Urban Ecology
      Washington, DC 20007
      202-342-1443, ex 218
      www.nps.gov/cue | www.nps.gov/plants/alien
      www.invasiveplantatlas.org | www.maipc.org



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      Yes, this is good for people to be aware of. But I'm guessing cats are
      less inclined to drink the stuff than are many other animals (I'm sure
      someone will correct me if I'm mistaken!).



      Of course, cats should not be wandering around outdoors anyhow:

      http://www.abcbirds.org/abcprograms/policy/cats/index.html

      Leo Shapiro



      On Apr 6, 2011, at 3:51 PM, Stoner, Kimberly wrote:




      In relation to propylene glycol and cats:





      Apparently cats do have unique sensitivity to propylene glycol, which
      is not true of humans, dogs, or cattle.





      See this publication by the American Chemistry Council, not a group
      of “chemophobes” by any stretch of the imagination:


      http://msdssearch.dow.com/PublishedLiteratureDOWCOM/dh_0046/0901b80380046c77.pdf?filepath=propyleneglycol/pdfs/noreg/117-01660.pdf&fromPage=GetDoc





      and this article on “Heinz body formation in cats” from a veterinary
      school:


      http://www.vet.uga.edu/vpp/clerk/tarigo/index.php





      “Propylene glycol (PG) is a common cause of HzB in cats. PG is a
      polyhydric alcohol used commonly as a solvent and preservative in
      pharmaceuticals, and as an inexpensive carbohydrate source in
      semi-moist foods for animals.3”


      3. Christopher MM, White JG, Eaton JW. Erythrocyte pathology and
      mechanisms of Heinz body-mediated hemolysis in cats. Vet Pathol.
      27:299-310. 1990.


      It would be wise to put the propylene glycol traps in locations where
      cats would not have access to them (inside fences, perhaps?) I’ll
      think about that for the traps I intend to be putting out next week!





      Kim Stoner
    • H
      All- Quinine (quinine sulfate / quinine bisulfate) will discourage most all would be drinkers. I can t give you any exact doses but it will it does work.
      Message 3 of 7 , Apr 6, 2011
        All-

        Quinine (quinine sulfate / quinine bisulfate) will discourage most all would be drinkers. I can't give you any exact doses but it will it does work. Should act like a salt in solution but the quantity I used (ten years ago - can't remember) did not affect the mounted quality of the bees to any noticeable degree.

        Buying the "anti-parasitic" medication for pond fish is the cheapest way of getting it.

        There is also the advantage of  Quinine being very sensitive to ultraviolet light (UV) as it will fluoresce in direct sunlight....


        Best,
        H




        HW Ikerd
        Hikerd@...
        435-227-5711 (Google Voice)
        435-797-2425(work)



        On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Stoner, Kimberly <Kimberly.Stoner@...> wrote:
         

        In relation to propylene glycol and cats:

         

        Apparently cats do have unique sensitivity to propylene glycol, which is not true of humans, dogs, or cattle.

         

        See this publication by the American Chemistry Council, not a group of “chemophobes” by any stretch of the imagination:

        http://msdssearch.dow.com/PublishedLiteratureDOWCOM/dh_0046/0901b80380046c77.pdf?filepath=propyleneglycol/pdfs/noreg/117-01660.pdf&fromPage=GetDoc

         

        and this article on “Heinz body formation in cats” from a veterinary school:

        http://www.vet.uga.edu/vpp/clerk/tarigo/index.php

         

        Propylene glycol (PG) is a common cause of HzB in cats. PG is a polyhydric alcohol used commonly as a solvent and preservative in pharmaceuticals, and as an inexpensive carbohydrate source in semi-moist foods for animals.3”

        3. Christopher MM, White JG, Eaton JW. Erythrocyte pathology and mechanisms of Heinz body-mediated hemolysis in cats. Vet Pathol. 27:299-310. 1990.

        It would be wise to put the propylene glycol traps in locations where cats would not have access to them (inside fences, perhaps?)  I’ll think about that for the traps I intend to be putting out next week!

         

        Kim Stoner


      • Leo Shapiro
        I don t know that anyone has collected data on the effect of propylene glycol on wild felines, but it would certainly not be surprising if they showed
        Message 4 of 7 , Apr 6, 2011
          I don't know that anyone has collected data on the effect of propylene glycol on wild felines, but it would certainly not be surprising if they showed sensitivity similar to that seen in domestic cats, so that may be a reasonable concern in some areas.

          Sam or others who've been trapping with propylene glycol for a while: do you see much evidence of ANY mammals drinking it?  One advantage over ethylene glycol is supposed to be the lack of a sweet taste possibly making it less appealing (of course, domestic cats supposedly can't taste "sweet" anyhow). I think the main reason there has been research on the impact of propylene glycol on cats is with respect to its use as a food additive.



          On Apr 6, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Jil_Swearingen@... wrote:

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          Leo and others, 

          Bobcats and other wild felines could be affected. Does anyone have any 
          information on that? 

          Thanks, 

          Jil 

          ________________ 
          JiL SWEARINGEN 
          IPM & Invasive Species Specialist 
          NCR Center for Urban Ecology 
          Washington, DC 20007 
          202-342-1443, ex 218 
          www.nps.gov/cue | www.nps.gov/plants/alien 
          www.invasiveplantatlas.org | www.maipc.org 



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          glycol and cats 













          Yes, this is good for people to be aware of. But I'm guessing cats are 
          less inclined to drink the stuff than are many other animals (I'm sure 
          someone will correct me if I'm mistaken!). 



          Of course, cats should not be wandering around outdoors anyhow: 

          http://www.abcbirds.org/abcprograms/policy/cats/index.html 

          Leo Shapiro 



          On Apr 6, 2011, at 3:51 PM, Stoner, Kimberly wrote: 




          In relation to propylene glycol and cats: 





          Apparently cats do have unique sensitivity to propylene glycol, which 
          is not true of humans, dogs, or cattle. 





          See this publication by the American Chemistry Council, not a group 
          of “chemophobes” by any stretch of the imagination: 


          http://msdssearch.dow.com/PublishedLiteratureDOWCOM/dh_0046/0901b80380046c77.pdf?filepath=propyleneglycol/pdfs/noreg/117-01660.pdf&fromPage=GetDoc





          and this article on “Heinz body formation in cats” from a veterinary 
          school: 


          http://www.vet.uga.edu/vpp/clerk/tarigo/index.php 





          “Propylene glycol (PG) is a common cause of HzB in cats. PG is a 
          polyhydric alcohol used commonly as a solvent and preservative in 
          pharmaceuticals, and as an inexpensive carbohydrate source in 
          semi-moist foods for animals.3” 


          3. Christopher MM, White JG, Eaton JW. Erythrocyte pathology and 
          mechanisms of Heinz body-mediated hemolysis in cats. Vet Pathol. 
          27:299-310. 1990. 


          It would be wise to put the propylene glycol traps in locations where 
          cats would not have access to them (inside fences, perhaps?) I’ll 
          think about that for the traps I intend to be putting out next week! 





          Kim Stoner 







        • Anita M. Collins
          Quinine as an addition is a good possibility. Honey bees don t taste it. They used quinine to spike sugar sold to beekeepers during WWII so that it could not
          Message 5 of 7 , Apr 6, 2011
            Quinine as an addition is a good possibility.  Honey bees don't taste it.  They used quinine to spike sugar sold to beekeepers during WWII so that it could not be resold on the black market, just used to feed colonies.
             
            Anita
            If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be research.
            Albert Einstein

            Apr 6, 2011 04:45:18 PM, HIkerd@... wrote:
             

            All-

            Quinine (quinine sulfate / quinine bisulfate) will discourage most all would be drinkers. I can't give you any exact doses but it will it does work. Should act like a salt in solution but the quantity I used (ten years ago - can't remember) did not affect the mounted quality of the bees to any noticeable degree.

            Buying the "anti-parasitic" medication for pond fish is the cheapest way of getting it.

            There is also the advantage of  Quinine being very sensitive to ultraviolet light (UV) as it will fluoresce in direct sunlight....


            Best,
            H




            HW Ikerd
            Hikerd@...
            435-227-5711 (Google Voice)
            435-797-2425(work)



            On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Stoner, Kimberly <Kimberly.Stoner@...> wrote:
             

            In relation to propylene glycol and cats:

             

            Apparently cats do have unique sensitivity to propylene glycol, which is not true of humans, dogs, or cattle.

             

            See this publication by the American Chemistry Council, not a group of “chemophobes” by any stretch of the imagination:

            http://msdssearch.dow.com/PublishedLiteratureDOWCOM/dh_0046/0901b80380046c77.pdf?filepath=propyleneglycol/pdfs/noreg/117-01660.pdf&fromPage=GetDoc

             

            and this article on “Heinz body formation in cats” from a veterinary school:

            http://www.vet.uga.edu/vpp/clerk/tarigo/index.php

             

            Propylene glycol (PG) is a common cause of HzB in cats. PG is a polyhydric alcohol used commonly as a solvent and preservative in pharmaceuticals, and as an inexpensive carbohydrate source in semi-moist foods for animals.3”

            3. Christopher MM, White JG, Eaton JW. Erythrocyte pathology and mechanisms of Heinz body-mediated hemolysis in cats. Vet Pathol. 27:299-310. 1990.

            It would be wise to put the propylene glycol traps in locations where cats would not have access to them (inside fences, perhaps?)  I’ll think about that for the traps I intend to be putting out next week!

             

            Kim Stoner


          • Sam Droege
            We had no evidence of any animal drinking the material from around the country. Additionally, I had a whole series of traps in my yard with a dog and cat that
            Message 6 of 7 , Apr 7, 2011
              We had no evidence of any animal drinking the material from around the country.  Additionally, I had a whole series of traps in my yard with a dog and cat that both eat all sorts of disgusting things and they completely ignored the traps which were right at convenient drinking height.

              PG is used commonly by vets for lubricating pills for dogs and reaching inside of large animals....(but apparently not reaching inside of cats).  Vet supply houses are good places to buy gallon stocks of pure PG.

              sam

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              I don't know that anyone has collected data on the effect of propylene glycol on wild felines, but it would certainly not be surprising if they showed sensitivity similar to that seen in domestic cats, so that may be a reasonable concern in some areas.

              Sam or others who've been trapping with propylene glycol for a while: do you see much evidence of ANY mammals drinking it?  One advantage over ethylene glycol is supposed to be the lack of a sweet taste possibly making it less appealing (of course, domestic cats supposedly can't taste "sweet" anyhow). I think the main reason there has been research on the impact of propylene glycol on cats is with respect to its use as a food additive.



              On Apr 6, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Jil_Swearingen@... wrote:

              [Attachment(s) from Jil_Swearingen@... included below]

              Leo and others,

              Bobcats and other wild felines could be affected. Does anyone have any
              information on that?

              Thanks,

              Jil

              ________________
              JiL SWEARINGEN
              IPM & Invasive Species Specialist
              NCR Center for Urban Ecology
              Washington, DC 20007
              202-342-1443, ex 218

              www.nps.gov/cue | www.nps.gov/plants/alien
              www.invasiveplantatlas.org | www.maipc.org



              Leo Shapiro
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              Re: [beemonitoring] Propylene
              glycol and cats













              Yes, this is good for people to be aware of. But I'm guessing cats are
              less inclined to drink the stuff than are many other animals (I'm sure
              someone will correct me if I'm mistaken!).



              Of course, cats should not be wandering around outdoors anyhow:

              http://www.abcbirds.org/abcprograms/policy/cats/index.html

              Leo Shapiro



              On Apr 6, 2011, at 3:51 PM, Stoner, Kimberly wrote:




              In relation to propylene glycol and cats:





              Apparently cats do have unique sensitivity to propylene glycol, which
              is not true of humans, dogs, or cattle.





              See this publication by the American Chemistry Council, not a group
              of “chemophobes” by any stretch of the imagination:


              http://msdssearch.dow.com/PublishedLiteratureDOWCOM/dh_0046/0901b80380046c77.pdf?filepath=propyleneglycol/pdfs/noreg/117-01660.pdf&fromPage=GetDoc





              and this article on “Heinz body formation in cats” from a veterinary
              school:


              http://www.vet.uga.edu/vpp/clerk/tarigo/index.php





              “Propylene glycol (PG) is a common cause of HzB in cats. PG is a
              polyhydric alcohol used commonly as a solvent and preservative in
              pharmaceuticals, and as an inexpensive carbohydrate source in
              semi-moist foods for animals.3”


              3. Christopher MM, White JG, Eaton JW. Erythrocyte pathology and
              mechanisms of Heinz body-mediated hemolysis in cats. Vet Pathol.
              27:299-310. 1990.


              It would be wise to put the propylene glycol traps in locations where
              cats would not have access to them (inside fences, perhaps?) I’ll
              think about that for the traps I intend to be putting out next week!





              Kim Stoner







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