Fw: [beemonitoring] Radish flowers and bee - question
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From: Charles Guevara <icecilliate123@...>
To: Maria Van Dyke <mtv4h@...>
Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 8:01:19 PM
Subject: Re: [beemonitoring] Radish flowers and bee - questionHello , hennetjie, I had various bee ( never noticed wasps being so effected, yet plenty of wasps also visited the flowers) species which stayed in place on wild pepermint plants very near the purple flowers. You could gently nudge these lethargic bees with your finger...they would move a little, but not fly away. This especially occurred with bumble bee species. This was all summer, NY/NJ border region...noticed this for several summers.The backgarden wild pepermint plants attracted all sorts of wasps, bees, and a few types of flies. Between the purple flowers of the wild pepermint plants, and the six to seven foot tall fennel plants in flower, my back garden was a very busy airport for pollinators.The lethargic bees would eventually leave the garden...it only occurred with the purple wild pepermint flowers in my NY/NJ border region garden.charlie guevara, fingerlakes/US
From: Maria Van Dyke <mtv4h@...>
To: hennetjie <henpen@...>
Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 4:34:55 PM
Subject: Re: [beemonitoring] Radish flowers and bee - question
I have experienced this with Glacier Lilies up in the rockies. The bees seem to search it out. Our conclusion was fermented nectar...it happens!
My guess is that it doesn't necessarily have to do with toxic chemicals and more to do with fermentation.
mariaOn Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:56 AM, hennetjie <henpen@...> wrote:
a beekeeper asked the following on a beekeeping list and I wondered if any
of you know something more about the specific qualities of radish flowers /
pollen or bees getting drunk on them (in the Western Cape, South Africa):
" I have noticed some thing interesting by me, and don't know what to make
In my backyard I have 3 small swarms of bees. Have planted a patch of radish
a wile ago, witch went into flowering. Not thinking much about it, because
it is food for the bees. Now this is were it gets interesting. I have
noticed now for a few days, when the bees have visited the flowers, that
they cannot fly afterwards. Bees seems to be disorientated ( drunk) , then
walk in a general direction to the hives,about 6 meters, then after about an
hour or so,get it right to fly again(drunk-drunk) into the hive. Found the
bees walking only a meter or so around the radish, and in the direction of
the hives. Not in all directions, just from the radish to the hives. By
nightfall, most of the bees have found the hives. Pollination Beeks,any one
out there ,that have done pollination on radish for seed harvesting? Anyone
ever experience something like that? Have tilt the ground over this
afternoon to get rid of the flowers. I have studied this behavior now for 3
to 4 days, every day the same story.
Any one with any ideas?"
I have tried looking up more on the internet and only came across one
similar story about angelica and bees getting drunk ? poisoned?
Half-poisoned? Yet we eat angelica flowers.
I have now read that radishes are used in many home remedies across the
world, and that wild radish flowers are toxic (Australia) to some animals,
yet a mix of fresh plant material containing up to 60% radish seeds in feed,
etc. do them no harm. (Lost the link again, sorry), so it must have some
Does anyone know of nectar fermenting in such flowers? I would appreciate
any information (will also pass it on, if I may) in this regard.
Nature is so fascinating. And bees in particular.
All the best,
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University of Virginia
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