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RE: [beam] Re: Whoa, Breakthrough!

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  • Lee
    Drpdj posts he sells CNC routers Robot42 replies More like Spam than Beam! You post right after it that you have your new lathe and mill and say nothing
    Message 1 of 50 , Oct 6, 2012
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      Drpdj posts he sells CNC routers

      Robot42 replies "More like Spam than Beam!"

      You post right after it that you have your new lathe and mill and say nothing about BEAM

      I reply and ask "What does this have to do with BEAM or is it connected to the previous Pilot Pro CNC routers Spam"

       

      My reply to your "I even got an XP install code from my neighbor" was meant to maybe give you the idea that it looks like piracy and not a good to post about it.  OEM codes still need to be licensed and paid for by someone.  We had 1500 PCs all with the same install code and purchased licenses in blocks of 250 and kept them on file. I hope your neighbor gives you a license along with that code.  It too bad you could not use your original code.

       

      The comment to connor was a joke.  How could I answer "Nope" if I was not home? Hmmmm

       

      Sorry for pushing your buttons.

       

      Lee

       

      -----Original Message-----
      From: beam@yahoogroups.com [mailto:beam@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Piotter
      Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 5:37 AM
      To: beam@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [beam] Re: Whoa, Breakthrough!

       

      What is it with you, Lee...

       

      Every time I say something, I swear you seem to want to pipe in with some rude comment and construe things in the worst possible way. I had a legit install of XP. Between too many upgrades to my hardware, it stopped booting, and eventually the whole dumb computer just ended up failing before I got the issues resolved. I actually lost most of my data when that happened.

       

      My neighbor is in the computer business, and has an OEM license. I've done a few favors for him lately since I moved next to his apartment, so he's considering that his payment for computer services. I didn't steal a code from my neighbor. He provided me a LEGIT code for me to use to get my machine up and running. But hey, you just like to look at the worst in people, right?

       

      Learn to shut your mouth before sticking your foot in it... Again.

      Do you like the taste of foot, or something???

       

      Seriously dude... You really are getting on my nerves. First there was that snarky spam comment when I mentioned how freakin' happy I was to have my mill and lathe moved and accessible again, and how that'd be a nice point to get back into my robots. Then there was your trollish comment to Connor a few days ago, and now this... Your words are useless and caustic. I am nearly convinced you're nothing more than a useless troll.

       

      If you really want to contribute to the list, then do so, but rude comments like these do not paint you in a good light.

       

      It just makes me realize you are not a very kind person.

       

      Richard Piotter

       

       

      Begin forwarded message:

      > From: "Lee" <mr.olson@...>

      > Date: October 5, 2012 8:49:59 AM CDT

      > To: <beam@yahoogroups.com>

      > Subject: RE: [beam] Re: Whoa, Breakthrough!

      > Reply-To: beam@yahoogroups.com

      >  

      >  

      > Do you have other illegal software you like to install like that XP

      > with your neighbors code?

      >  

      > -----Original Message-----

      > From: beam@yahoogroups.com [mailto:beam@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of

      > Richard Piotter

      > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 8:50 PM

      > To: beam@yahoogroups.com

      > Subject: Re: [beam] Re: Whoa, Breakthrough!

      >  

      > I'll admit, the more basic concepts don't draw me anymore. I wanna go

      > big or not at all. I've been doing nothing but brainstorming and

      > gearmotor collecting since 2002. I officially finished my move today.

      > The last box is either in storage, or in my apartment. I even got an

      > XP install code from my neighbor, so I might finally get my dumb old

      > PC working again!

      >  

      > I for one am looking forward to getting back into the game!

      > It's been FAR too long.

      >  

      > Richard Piotter

      >  

      > Begin forwarded message:

      > > From: "connor_ramsey@..." <connor_ramsey@...>

      > > Date: October 4, 2012 3:32:05 PM CDT

      > > To: beam@yahoogroups.com

      > > Subject: [beam] Re: Whoa, Breakthrough!

      > > Reply-To: beam@yahoogroups.com

      > >

      > > --- In beam@yahoogroups.com, Martin McKee <martinjaymckee@...>

      > wrote:

      > > >

      > > > I have no argument that instinct must go beyond reflexes and that

      > > it can be

      > > > distinct from intelligence. I am not convinced that it must entail

      > > > computation in the form of mathematics. The problem with

      > > mathematics is,

      > > > simply, that it is precise. The world is not precise. This is the

      > > reason

      > > > that many current approaches to AI have been so brittle. Pattern

      > > matching

      > > > ( with memory ) is another form of computation, one which has the

      > > advantage

      > > > ( in many cases ) of being able to generalize.

      > > >

      > > > I guess the main thing I am saying is this: I would approach

      > > ( have been

      > > > considering ) the problem from a different viewpoint. I don't

      > > think that

      > > > your view would be any less productive to follow however. The idea

      > > of

      > > > implementing this as PWM in analog components will allow it to

      > > generalize

      > > > better.

      > > >

      > > > At the same time, I think that it makes sense to continue

      > > exploring ( as

      > > > many paths as possible in fact ). One of the main reasons that

      > > have fallen

      > > > from the "true calling" of BEAM robotics is the lack of progress

      > > that has

      > > > been seen in the past decade or so. The current crop of BEAM

      > > robots are

      > > > capable enough... but they could be more so. Perhaps when I get

      > more

      > > > time... ( one can always dream ).

      > > >

      > > > Martin Jay McKee

      > >

      > >

      > > I know right? Of all things, the one that really bothers me is the

      > > fact that at least 3 quarters of all BEAMbots out there are either

      > > photopoppers or bicore/microcore walkers. Here's my opinion:

      > >

      > > NO. MORE. BICORE WALKERS. OR PHOTOPOPPERS. EVER. PERIOD.

      > >

      > > Ok, not necessarily. It's not that they're terrible. Well, not

      > > entirely. It's just that they're so, SO numerous that they're

      > clogging

      > > the development of BEAM in general. Sure, they're great for

      > beginners

      > > and hobbyists, but not so good for us "serious" BEAMers.

      > > There's nothing wrong with a species becoming successful. I truly

      > > admire these simple species for their enormous success. Photopoppers

      > > and symets are extremely successful, microcore walkers were very

      > > successful, but were gradually replaced by bicore walkers. Bicore

      > > walkers are now very successful as well, not quite as common as

      > > photopoppers, but they're still everywhere. You might still see a

      > > microcore walker here and there.

      > >

      > > But seriously, photopoppers are over two decades old now, and most

      > two

      > > motor walkers go back 1-2 decades. You hardly see any new designs

      > > anymore. After 20 years, you'd think we'd have them complex enough

      > > that they might even copy themselves and be REALLY successful. Or

      > > actually DO something practical. But nope. All they do so far is

      > bump

      > > into each other and fall off tables!

      > >

      > > Well, the falling off tables thing is easy enough to deal with, but

      > > you get my point. Many bots don't even have sensors! And the rest

      > that

      > > do often don't have enough internal complexity to match external

      > > complexity( as Mark himself would put it).

      > >

      > > Now there ARE the select few machines that are actually innovative

      > and

      > > adept. Those that have both the mechanical and electronic complexity

      > > to interact with their world more intuitively than the rest. 5 motor

      > > walkers are probably the best example.

      > >

      > > And then there are those that actually perform their tasks more

      > > efficiently when simplified entirely. I cannot think of a better

      > > example for this than the amazing turbot. With only four nerves and

      > > two flagella, they can problem solve and negotiate their world both

      > > faster and more efficiently than most walkers can ever dream of. Or

      > > take uCrawler for another example. It's basically a severely

      > devolved

      > > descendant of the 2M walker. Most would consider it degenerate. But

      > > while it's not quite as good on hard surfaces where 2M walkers

      > excel,

      > > uCrawler actually performs outstandingly on soft or plush surfaces,

      > > like shag carpet or beds. And it also works very well on outdoor

      > > terrain, like grass, gravel, or dirt. Most of these areas many 2M

      > > walkers perform poorly in. It really depends on the particular

      > design.

      > >

      > > I guess what I'm really saying is that BEAMers need to either

      > > complicate or simplify their designs based on what and where the

      > robot

      > > is intended for. Standard just doesn't cut it anymore. As if ever. 

      > The

      > > only real purposes I can think of for 2M walkers are a) turbot food,

      > > lawls, and b) experimental platforms for new and innovative

      > > technologies. Or revised takes on older technologies. But many 2M

      > > walkers simply don't belong outside the Robot Jurassic Park.

      > >

      > > So about the actual topic, that's exactly what I was getting at, PWM

      > > calculating is just one of many paths to explore. I won't abandon

      > the

      > > idea that calculating is an important part of neural operation, but

      > > it's only one of many important functions, and those should probably

      > > be delved into first, since calculation relies on many of these more

      > > important functions, however some rely on calculation and/ or

      > others.

      > > Therefore more complicated functions are axiomatically less

      > important

      > > than others, yet it doesn't necessarily mean they can't be explored

      > > simultaneously. I'll certainly give you that. And generalization

      > is a

      > > remarkable advantage. What I suppose is that both forms of computing

      > > operated in parallel would likely be ideal.

      > > Both have equal perks, and both are observed in nature, often

      > > simultaneously. So why not do the same in a robot?

      > >

      > > Ideas? Connor.

      > >

      > >

      > >

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    • Tom Gray
      re: Suntekstore gear motors I ve ordered from this outfit; suntekstore.ca ships from Hong Kong in about 10 days to Canada. I m happy with them and their
      Message 50 of 50 , Oct 13, 2012
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        re: Suntekstore gear motors
         
        I've ordered from this outfit; suntekstore.ca ships from Hong Kong in about 10 days to Canada.  I'm happy with them and their products.  Not always top quality, but good value for the price.
         
        Prices vary on the same item, creeping up a few cents each day.  Something I ordered a month ago for $3.95 is now $6.78! The site will hold things in your cart for a while (30 days?) and that will hold the price too.  Some prices have gone down (LED lamps for example) You have to watch for sales, too.
         
        Keep Beaming and dreaming
        Tom
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