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  • Your Friendly Hogfather
    Well, now we know who Mr. Happy is, eh? People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along? Can we get along? Rodney King, May 1, 1992, third day of
    Message 1 of 20 , Jan 31, 2008
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      Well, now we know who Mr. Happy is, eh?

      "People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along? Can we get along?"

      Rodney King, May 1, 1992, third day of the LA riots

      Sorry, Jesse, but you don't make much of a diplomat. For my part, the answer is "no".


      > LANL, (R)obosapien, they were a way for Mark T to make money.
      > After all the man has to eat, right?

      When Tilden left the Lab, he was making more money a year than I was. At that time, I was making six figures (y'know, more than $100k US/year). Precisely how much money does he need in order to pay for his food? Perhaps it is more a question of how much money he needs to keep himself supplied with stylish hats.

      Let's cover the

      > they were a way for Mark T to make money

      part now, OK? All during his stay at the Lab Tilden -always- stood on his _position_ as a SCIENTIST (each letter falling into place with a sound like the thud of leaden plates, to misquote Pratchett). In fact, he was rather insufferable about it. He never, ever wanted to taint his work with any thought of commercialism (this refers to a direct comment he made directly to me, in his office, concerning the gold-on-black substrate circuits being not unlike the jewelry or art seen in Santa Fe).

      And then he goes off to become a TOYmaker?

      Kindly don't try to give his title more of a polish than that. Perhaps he was an "engineer of toys", but he wasn't/isn't a "robo-scientist".


      How about a direct argument against Grant's hearsay statement concerning "what the U.S. Government will allow Tilden to publish."

      Friends and neighbors, Tilden was (at that time, at least) a Canadian citizen. As a result, he was simply NOT permitted to work on any classified material whatsoever. He was NOT permitted to hold a clearance.

      Back when he was working here, if he happened to leave his office door open when he went off to lunch, The Dastardly Terrorists (who might have been parked across the street at Occupational Medicine) could have stealthily gone through the loading dock and across the fifty-or-so feet to Tilden's office and picked up his computer(s), papers, robots, parts, whatever. His office wasn't even in a "Protected Property" zone (i.e. building is always locked)!!!

      The Lab make absolutely certain that all of the employees know what is or is not legal because the employees all have to take a yearly course in Export Laws (btw: sending stuff to Canada without permissions from three different organizations is illegal); the U.S. doesn't like Canada either, at least with regard to intellectual property dissemination; Computer Security and Electronic Countermeasures. These classes make it quite obvious what Tilden WAS allowed and was NOT allowed to hand out.

      Because the U.S. Government likes to put everything in a pigeon-hole somewhere, his work comes under the heading of something more-or-less like "For Official Use Only".

      Guess what - the phonebook for the Laboratory is rated as "For Official Use Only". I honestly can't see either the Lab, nor NNSA, nor DOE chasing after ANYONE for publishing the Lab phonebook. Likewise, I can't see them attempting to make a case about Tilden's old work, either. Moreover, now that he has sold his property in the U.S., it isn't as if it can be attached. And then - do you think that Hong Kong has an extradition treaty concerning "criminals" whose "crimes" are at a definite non-felony level? C'mon, give me a break!

      That is the sort of thing I mean by Mark's tendency towards "self-aggrandizement". He's just got this incredible urge to make himself appear more important than he is.

      The Lab obviously didn't care about him divulging stuff when he worked there, however. If they did, they'd require him to publish under something called an LA-UR. He came up with exactly two: LA-UR-94-2636 and LA-UR-95-2638. Go look them up yourself with Google - for that matter, the text is probably kept in PDF format on one of the BEAM sites. According to the rules, he was supposed to obtain such permissions for EVERYTHING he told anyone outside of the Lab.

      However, is it not true that he continued to provide information NOT covered by those documents over the years? Why, yes, it IS true that he kept on "leaking" "official" information. By those rights, he has already broken the law but why, then, didn't anyone do anything about it?


      BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T CARE!


      Mark Tilden may publish anything he damned well pleases and he knows it. Saying otherwise flies in the face of all of the evidence.


      Finally, there is the "but what have you done for me lately" question. Exactly WHAT has Mark done for the aid and benefit of BEAM over the past several years? I mean, other than his vicious attack on Hasl Brosslacher, Tilden's (primary) co-author of "Theoretical Foundations of Nervous Nets..."? This guy was the one that Mark used to use as a reference to support his claim that he (Mark) was working on the practical use of chaotic systems. Yeah, I guess some total amateur like Tilden no longer needs the support of the expert he used to depend on.

      Bweh!

      yfh
    • Dave Hrynkiw
      ... Well, I d like to say they re a priority to get back in stock, but I ve got a few other fish to fry first. HVWTech.com has taken quite a bit of effort to
      Message 2 of 20 , Feb 1, 2008
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        Your Friendly Hogfather wrote:
        > Also by the way - has anyone else noticed that we haven't been able to obtain the "Bicore Experimenters PCB" for months upon months now? Hey Dave - are bicores completely out of fashion or something? Or is everyone supposed to free-form their circuits? Actually, this is a friendly question (although you may doubt that) simply because the BEP is such a great product.
        >
        Well, I'd like to say they're a priority to get back in stock, but I've
        got a few other fish to fry first. HVWTech.com has taken quite a bit of
        effort to learn. Fact of the matter is that they took about 6 years to
        move the 100 we had made. We'll see about doing a shorter run soon 'nuff.

        Newest thing we've done is an I2C-based Sharp GP2D12 sensor. Not very
        BEAMish, but there's other projects on the boiler...

        Regards,
        Dave
      • Bug'n'Bots
        Hey YFH I happen to have 2 or 3 board sets in stock if you are truly interested, please contact me off list at stevejones@bugnbots.com Cheers, Steve Jones ...
        Message 3 of 20 , Feb 1, 2008
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          Hey YFH I happen to have 2 or 3 board sets in stock if you are truly interested, please contact me off list at stevejones@...
           
          Cheers,
           
          Steve Jones
          ----- Original Message -----
          Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 5:39 PM
          Subject: Re: [beam] Tilden And Bot's

          Your Friendly Hogfather wrote:
          > Also by the way - has anyone else noticed that we haven't been able to obtain the "Bicore Experimenters PCB" for months upon months now? Hey Dave - are bicores completely out of fashion or something? Or is everyone supposed to free-form their circuits? Actually, this is a friendly question (although you may doubt that) simply because the BEP is such a great product.
          >
          Well, I'd like to say they're a priority to get back in stock, but I've
          got a few other fish to fry first. HVWTech.com has taken quite a bit of
          effort to learn. Fact of the matter is that they took about 6 years to
          move the 100 we had made. We'll see about doing a shorter run soon 'nuff.

          Newest thing we've done is an I2C-based Sharp GP2D12 sensor. Not very
          BEAMish, but there's other projects on the boiler...

          Regards,
          Dave

        • J Wolfgang Goerlich
          Good idea. Jab, when you upload a video to YouTube, it gives you an Html string for embedding the video on a website (looks like ... ). If you
          Message 4 of 20 , Feb 2, 2008
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            Good idea. Jab, when you upload a video to YouTube, it gives you an
            Html string for embedding the video on a website (looks like
            <object>...</object>). If you ship this over to me, I can add the video
            to the article.

            J Wolfgang Goerlich

            --- In beam@yahoogroups.com, Tom Gray <grayed@...> wrote:
            >
            > Jab
            > You should put the video link on Wolf's site too!
            > Keep BEAMing and dreaming
            > Tom
            >
          • caleb pearson
            Grant, do you know when tilden is going to be back from europe? I m wondering how long its gonna be till you guys start documenting those bots. :P Thanks Caleb
            Message 5 of 20 , Feb 3, 2008
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              Grant, do you know when tilden is going to be back from europe?
              I'm wondering how long its gonna be till you guys start documenting those bots. :P
              Thanks
              Caleb





              To: beam@yahoogroups.com
              From: stevejones@...
              Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 17:46:19 -0500
              Subject: Re: [beam] Tilden And Bot's

              
              Hey YFH I happen to have 2 or 3 board sets in stock if you are truly interested, please contact me off list at stevejones@bugnbots .com
               
              Cheers,
               
              Steve Jones
              ----- Original Message -----
              Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 5:39 PM
              Subject: Re: [beam] Tilden And Bot's

              Your Friendly Hogfather wrote:
              > Also by the way - has anyone else noticed that we haven't been able to obtain the "Bicore Experimenters PCB" for months upon months now? Hey Dave - are bicores completely out of fashion or something? Or is everyone supposed to free-form their circuits? Actually, this is a friendly question (although you may doubt that) simply because the BEP is such a great product.
              >
              Well, I'd like to say they're a priority to get back in stock, but I've
              got a few other fish to fry first. HVWTech.com has taken quite a bit of
              effort to learn. Fact of the matter is that they took about 6 years to
              move the 100 we had made. We'll see about doing a shorter run soon 'nuff.

              Newest thing we've done is an I2C-based Sharp GP2D12 sensor. Not very
              BEAMish, but there's other projects on the boiler...

              Regards,
              Dave




            • GrantM.
              He s back on the 15th of February, I hope to have some up before the end of February. GrantM.
              Message 6 of 20 , Feb 3, 2008
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                He's back on the 15th of February, I hope to have some up before the end
                of February.

                GrantM.

                caleb pearson wrote:
                >
                > Grant, do you know when tilden is going to be back from europe?
                > I'm wondering how long its gonna be till you guys start documenting
                > those bots. :P
                > Thanks
                > Caleb
                >
              • Tom Gray
                Jab You should put the video link on Wolf s site too! Keep BEAMing and dreaming Tom
                Message 7 of 20 , Feb 28, 2008
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                  Jab
                  You should put the video link on Wolf's site too!
                  Keep BEAMing and dreaming
                  Tom
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