[beam] Re: humanoid beam robot
> Jonathan Challinger wrote:As Bruce said it's probably more a matter of what someone is able to
> why wouldn't it be possible to make a humanoid
> walker with beam tech?
complete as opposed to what the technology is actually capable of. If you
want a humanoid that is a good approximation of all the human gaits, for
instance, you'll have to conquer the problem of dynamic stability. I'm sure
that it's possible to interface accelerometers to BEAM to do that, though I
haven't seen it done anywhere. Once you get past that obstacle, and I
certianly think it's possible, you still have to build a system to control
many different motors. All in all I'd say it's just a problem of degrees.
If you define possible as 'I can design and build it in 12 hours' I'd say a
humanoid isn't possible. If, however, you were willing to spend a number of
months (or years) and build it one step at a time I don't see any reason to
think that it wasn't possible.
Martin Jay McKee
- Long ago, I spoke with Mr. Tilden on the phone and he made mention of
a "BEAM Humanoid" that he was working on. I think that the simian
robot that Hasbro is making is the very thingy that he was talking
- At 08:38 AM 5/1/2003, Franknendaddy wrote:
>Long ago,Ain't it always the case (sorry, just being heretical here).
>I think that the simian robot that Hasbro is making is the very thingyUm, do you have a hard reference for this? Hasbro seems to be tied up with
>that he was talking about.
Transformers(TM) this year. WowWee, on the other hand, has a "coming soon"
for something that looks like vaguely a typical toy-manufacturer-least-cost
version of the neat thing referenced in the AllNerdReview page. Makes you
wonder what the prototype BIOBugs looked like.
In any case, the pendulum bit -
>Tilden mentioned that his movement was based on something to do with ais old technology. It has even been done with LEGO:
P.S. What an incredible joke also found in the AllNerdReview article:
>During the tour he gave us, he frequently made reference to his work forYeah, right, pull the other one it has bells on. Just to begin with, it was
>NASA. He essentially revealed that he helped design, or designed in full,
>I can't remember, the Mars rover thingie.
JPL that designed the thing, not "NASA".
- Franknendaddy wrote:
>> Tilden mentioned that his movement was based on something to doHogfather heretically replied:
>> with a pendulum...
> is old technology. It has even been done with LEGO:Having yet to be able to read or see anything on Tilden's designs, my
understanding is incomplete. However, I would venture that the
technology is significantly older than many people think.
In "Living Machines" , Tilden references "Passive Dynamic Walking"
 at the second to last page. This was some fascinating work done
by McGeer (sorry, no link). Appropriately enough, you can trace
McGreer's work back to two toy patents [3,4].
Given that Tilden's humanoid walker has been in the past 10 or so
years, and given that Lego's originally came out in 1949, and given
that the patents go back to 1912 and 1888, I think that we can safely
establish prior art.
J Wolfgang Goerlich
1. Brosl Hasslacher and Mark Tilden, "Living Machines", 1995
2. T. McGeer, "Passive dynamic walking", 1990
3. George Fallis, "Walking Toy", Letters Patent 376,588, 1888
4. Balduin Bechstein, "Improvements in and relating to Toys", U.S.
Patent 7453, 1912
- John A. deVries II wrote:
> WowWee, on the other hand, has a "coming soon" advertisement (...)I remember seeing that Bionetic Ape when looking for the RoboSapien.
> for something that looks like vaguely a typical toy-manufacturer-
> least-cost version of the neat thing referenced in the
> AllNerdReview page.
I have not been able to bring up the Wowwee page since you posted
(router down in Ottawa).
At the time, I did not connect it with the RoboSapien. I had two
reasons for this. First, in my mind it did not bear much physical
resemblance. Second, Wowwee listed the Ape under remote controlled
toys. Electronically, I would think that is different from the
BioBugs with their "Bicore on a blob."
On the other hand, I have been unable to find any information out
about the "RoboSapien" outside of the AllNerdReview article. I would
not be surprised if Wowwee stripped the toy down and repackaged it.
J Wolfgang Goerlich
That Wowee ape looks like it walks on slightly different principles. The closest robot I know of is the 'Meka Toro'. The site had a good description of how it worked, but it seems to be gone. Maybe the Internet Archive has a copy. Failing that, I included a picture of it. Basically, it wobbles from side to side, using the wobble to pick up the legs for the return stroke. Pretty fast, too. http://t4l.freeservers.com/MEKATORO.HTM -Martin THE resource for beginners http://beamlinks.botic.com http://beamlinks.solarbotics.net "The best of everyone's BEAM" ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/KXUxcA/fNtFAA/uetFAA/7brrlB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: email@example.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
- That Wowee ape looks like it walks on slightly different principles.
The closest robot I know of is the 'Meka Toro'. The site had a good
description of how it worked, but it seems to be gone. Maybe the
Internet Archive has a copy. Failing that, I included a picture of it.
Basically, it wobbles from side to side, using the wobble to pick up the
legs for the return stroke. Pretty fast, too.
THE resource for beginners
"The best of everyone's BEAM"
- Total Robots is selling a bipedal robot kit. I ran across the Total
Robots web site looking for a Solarbotics UK distributor, and noticed
the Sted-E-Man kit. The price is £285 GBP; which is $473 USD, or
$635 CDN. Here is the link:
Total Robots > Sted-E-Man
There are a few videos, and it looks to me like Sted-E-Man builds off
of the "Bigfoot" concept. Would it be possible to build something
along these lines with a servocore?
J Wolfgang Goerlich
Bruce Robinson wrote:
> A couple of very skilled BEAMers have tried to make multi-joint
> humanoid walkers using several motors (e.g. up to 10). The results
> haven't met their expectations, mainly due to the problems of
> controlling so many motors. Personally I think the best BEAM
> approach is to start with two motors, similar to "Bigfoot"