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Re: [beam] Announcement: Solarbotics Experimenter's PCB...feedback?

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  • Dave Hrynkiw
    ... Sorry about the link oversight - I usually enclose my links in parenthesis so that they ll click properly. G night all.... ... Um, no - that s
    Message 1 of 10 , Sep 1, 2001
      At 11:18 PM 8/31/2001, Dave Hrynkiw wrote:

      >The images are a bit big to include in with email (~50kB), so here's the
      >links:
      >"http://downloads.solarbotics.net/misc/SB_experimenter's PCB.gif"
      >(or)
      >"http://downloads.solarbotics.net/misc/SB_experimenter's PCB.pdf"
      >
      >If you want to see what an actual PCB layout looks like, here's a link to
      >one of our beta-test boards.
      >"http://downloads.solarbotics.net/misc/SB_beta_pcb.pdf"

      Sorry about the link oversight - I usually enclose my links in parenthesis
      so that they'll "click" properly.

      G'night all....
      ---------------------------------------------------------------
      "Um, no - that's H,R,Y,N,K,I,W. No, not K,I,U,U, K,I,_W_. Yes,
      that's right. Yes, I know it looks like "HOCKYRINK." Yup, only
      2 vowels. Pronounciation? _SMITH_".
      http://www.solarbotics.com
    • Tom Blitch
      Wait a minute. That s the board? That looks huge! I m not sure exactly what there for. Tom ... Sorry about the link oversight - I usually enclose my links in
      Message 2 of 10 , Sep 1, 2001

        Wait a minute. That's the board? That looks huge! I'm not sure exactly what there for.

        Tom

         

          Dave Hrynkiw <sbcrap@...> wrote:

        At 11:18 PM 8/31/2001, Dave Hrynkiw wrote:

        >The images are a bit big to include in with email (~50kB), so here's the
        >links:
        >"http://downloads.solarbotics.net/misc/SB_experimenter's PCB.gif"
        >(or)
        >"http://downloads.solarbotics.net/misc/SB_experimenter's PCB.pdf"
        >
        >If you want to see what an actual PCB layout looks like, here's a link to
        >one of our beta-test boards.
        >"http://downloads.solarbotics.net/misc/SB_beta_pcb.pdf"

        Sorry about the link oversight - I usually enclose my links in parenthesis
        so that they'll "click" properly.

        G'night all....
        ---------------------------------------------------------------
        "Um, no - that's H,R,Y,N,K,I,W. No, not K,I,U,U, K,I,_W_.  Yes,
        that's right. Yes, I know it looks like "HOCKYRINK." Yup, only
                    2 vowels. Pronounciation? _SMITH_".
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      • Tom Blitch
        Oh okay. I was wondering when you would have somethihng like this. Judging on the prices of your kits Id say it s gonna waaaay beyond my budget. Well I hope
        Message 3 of 10 , Sep 1, 2001

          Oh okay. I was wondering when you would have somethihng like this. Judging on the prices of your kits Id' say it's gonna waaaay beyond my budget. Well I hope not anyway.

          Tom

            Dave Hrynkiw <sbcrap@...> wrote:

          Well, we're just about to get the PCB's assembled into a full board that
          can be snapped into sections.

          The images are a bit big to include in with email (~50kB), so here's the links:
          http://downloads.solarbotics.net/misc/SB_experimenter's PCB.gif
          (or)
          http://downloads.solarbotics.net/misc/SB_experimenter's PCB.pdf

          If you want to see what an actual PCB layout looks like, here's a link to
          one of our beta-test boards.
          http://downloads.solarbotics.net/misc/SB_beta_pcb.pdf
          It's only available as a PDF, as anything else doesn't have the resolution
          to see it in detail. Also, don't take all the sub-board designs as gospel -
          these are of the BETA, and there have been some tweaks to each layout.

          As you can see, we're planning to have the top 2 rows as just leg mounting
          pads - just enough to be used on practically everything on the board. From
          this version of the board, you can build:

          1 x ScoutWalker 2
          or
          2 x Bicore walkers

          1 x Turbot

          1 x Unmodified Servo Walker

          4 x Solarpowered somethings

          Additionally, there's options for making some of the designs battery or
          solar-powered. It's all up to the designer.

          Of course, there's the option that none of the above layouts will appeal to
          you, which is fine. Just snap the PCB apart, arrange the tiles, and
          resolder them together. As a default, most of the tiles will have grounds
          and Vcc rails connected.

          Again, here's the key for the names:
          BC1 - '240 breadboard
          BC2 - Standard Bicore with triple buffers
          BC3 - 2 Separately enabled Bicores with buffered outputs
          IMx - Standard "MattMux"
          MD2 - Motor Driver, using a 240
          MSE - Miller Solarengine, with optional voltage divider adjust
          PM3 - Fully adjustable hysterisis Maxim 8212 Solarengine
          Sc1 - ServoCore, for driving unmodified servos with settable endpoint
          adjust and oscillation period (slaveable too!)
          25c BB - 1/4 sized Breadboard (25 cents, get it?)
          25c Chg - 1/4 sized charging jack / power switch board
          25c 8pin - 1/4 sized 8-pin DIP board for what-have-you
          Strange brown board up to - leg mounting pads for servo-arm attachment

          So, we're planning on shipping the design out for quote on Tuesday. I have
          until then to take feedback and make any necessary modifications to this
          layout. Production will hopefully happen in October, with full parts kits
          ready by November. (Sorry - no IDEA what price yet. Never done something of
          this magnitude before)

          Regards,
          Dave
          ---------------------------------------------------------------
          "Um, no - that's H,R,Y,N,K,I,W. No, not K,I,U,U, K,I,_W_.  Yes,
          that's right. Yes, I know it looks like "HOCKYRINK." Yup, only
                      2 vowels. Pronounciation? _SMITH_".
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        • David Simmons
          That s nice to hear, as many people have the more common parts already and could really use a way to put together a neat (clean) control board. SMT would also
          Message 4 of 10 , Sep 1, 2001
            That's nice to hear, as many people have the more common parts already and
            could really use a way to put together a neat (clean) control board. SMT
            would also be great, but really only if populated for most beginners, even
            Kyle with his steady little hands and great eyesight has stopped playing
            with freeformed SMT, for now.

            Can't wait for the first run, Kyle would like to add to his forty+ bots even
            faster:) God help me:)

            Leg mount boards are a great idea, enough people have had problems mounting
            legs to servos that these come in real handy for both beginner and long term
            BEAMers. Kyle has been using two-sided blank boards cut to shape and mounted
            to the servo horn. Hint, solder the leg on without the horn mounted, not
            that Kyle would ever do something as silly as that:)


            Regards,
            Dave Simmons

            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Dave Hrynkiw <sbcrap@...>
            To: <beam@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 5:10 PM
            Subject: Re: [beam] Announcement: Solarbotics Experimenter's PCB...feedback?


            > At 02:05 AM 9/1/2001, Tom Blitch wrote:
            > >Oh okay. I was wondering when you would have somethihng like this.
            Judging
            > >on the prices of your kits Id' say it's gonna waaaay beyond my budget.
            > >Well I hope not anyway.
            >
            > When we know a price, we'll announce it. But, the PCBs will be available
            as
            > raw, plain boards, or as part of a whole kit with the parts to populate
            it,
            > so there will be a cheaper version too.
            >
            > Regards
            > Dave
            >
            > ---------------------------------------------------------------
            > "Um, no - that's H,R,Y,N,K,I,W. No, not K,I,U,U, K,I,_W_. Yes,
            > that's right. Yes, I know it looks like "HOCKYRINK." Yup, only
            > 2 vowels. Pronounciation? _SMITH_".
            > http://www.solarbotics.com
            >
            >
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          • Jeff Steele
            Dave, It looks great. Personally I had hopes that there would be pads for surface mount parts. Keeps the weight and size down and I know from experience that
            Message 5 of 10 , Sep 1, 2001
              Dave,

              It looks great. Personally I had hopes that there
              would be pads for surface mount parts. Keeps the
              weight and size down and I know from experience that
              these little parts are hard to freeform.

              Jeff

              --- Dave Hrynkiw <sbcrap@...> wrote:
              > Well, we're just about to get the PCB's assembled
              > into a full board that
              > can be snapped into sections.
              >
              > The images are a bit big to include in with email
              > (~50kB), so here's the links:
              >
              http://downloads.solarbotics.net/misc/SB_experimenter's
              > PCB.gif
              > (or)
              >
              http://downloads.solarbotics.net/misc/SB_experimenter's
              > PCB.pdf
              >
              > If you want to see what an actual PCB layout looks
              > like, here's a link to
              > one of our beta-test boards.
              >
              http://downloads.solarbotics.net/misc/SB_beta_pcb.pdf
              > It's only available as a PDF, as anything else
              > doesn't have the resolution
              > to see it in detail. Also, don't take all the
              > sub-board designs as gospel -
              > these are of the BETA, and there have been some
              > tweaks to each layout.
              >
              > As you can see, we're planning to have the top 2
              > rows as just leg mounting
              > pads - just enough to be used on practically
              > everything on the board. From
              > this version of the board, you can build:
              >
              > 1 x ScoutWalker 2
              > or
              > 2 x Bicore walkers
              >
              > 1 x Turbot
              >
              > 1 x Unmodified Servo Walker
              >
              > 4 x Solarpowered somethings
              >
              > Additionally, there's options for making some of the
              > designs battery or
              > solar-powered. It's all up to the designer.
              >
              > Of course, there's the option that none of the above
              > layouts will appeal to
              > you, which is fine. Just snap the PCB apart, arrange
              > the tiles, and
              > resolder them together. As a default, most of the
              > tiles will have grounds
              > and Vcc rails connected.
              >
              > Again, here's the key for the names:
              > BC1 - '240 breadboard
              > BC2 - Standard Bicore with triple buffers
              > BC3 - 2 Separately enabled Bicores with buffered
              > outputs
              > IMx - Standard "MattMux"
              > MD2 - Motor Driver, using a 240
              > MSE - Miller Solarengine, with optional voltage
              > divider adjust
              > PM3 - Fully adjustable hysterisis Maxim 8212
              > Solarengine
              > Sc1 - ServoCore, for driving unmodified servos with
              > settable endpoint
              > adjust and oscillation period (slaveable too!)
              > 25c BB - 1/4 sized Breadboard (25 cents, get it?)
              > 25c Chg - 1/4 sized charging jack / power switch
              > board
              > 25c 8pin - 1/4 sized 8-pin DIP board for
              > what-have-you
              > Strange brown board up to - leg mounting pads for
              > servo-arm attachment
              >
              > So, we're planning on shipping the design out for
              > quote on Tuesday. I have
              > until then to take feedback and make any necessary
              > modifications to this
              > layout. Production will hopefully happen in October,
              > with full parts kits
              > ready by November. (Sorry - no IDEA what price yet.
              > Never done something of
              > this magnitude before)
              >
              > Regards,
              > Dave
              >
              ---------------------------------------------------------------
              > "Um, no - that's H,R,Y,N,K,I,W. No, not K,I,U,U,
              > K,I,_W_. Yes,
              > that's right. Yes, I know it looks like "HOCKYRINK."
              > Yup, only
              > 2 vowels. Pronounciation? _SMITH_".
              > http://www.solarbotics.com
              >
              >


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            • Dave Hrynkiw
              ... We thought we evolve these boards a bit. Version 1 using commonly available parts, version 2 being a different circuit selection, and version 3 *perhaps*
              Message 6 of 10 , Sep 1, 2001
                At 06:45 AM 9/1/2001, Jeff Steele wrote:
                >It looks great. Personally I had hopes that there
                >would be pads for surface mount parts. Keeps the
                >weight and size down and I know from experience that
                >these little parts are hard to freeform.


                We thought we evolve these boards a bit. Version 1 using commonly
                available parts, version 2 being a different circuit selection, and
                version 3 *perhaps* being an SMT version. Unfortunately, SMT may be quite
                expensive to get done properly...we'll have to see.

                If nothing else, we know we'll be using these boards LOTS for internal
                development, so work will continue.

                Regards,
                Dave

                ---------------------------------------------------------------
                "Um, no - that's H,R,Y,N,K,I,W. No, not K,I,U,U, K,I,_W_. Yes,
                that's right. Yes, I know it looks like "HOCKYRINK." Yup, only
                2 vowels. Pronounciation? _SMITH_".
                http://www.solarbotics.com
              • Dave Hrynkiw
                ... When we know a price, we ll announce it. But, the PCBs will be available as raw, plain boards, or as part of a whole kit with the parts to populate it, so
                Message 7 of 10 , Sep 1, 2001
                  At 02:05 AM 9/1/2001, Tom Blitch wrote:
                  >Oh okay. I was wondering when you would have somethihng like this. Judging
                  >on the prices of your kits Id' say it's gonna waaaay beyond my budget.
                  >Well I hope not anyway.

                  When we know a price, we'll announce it. But, the PCBs will be available as
                  raw, plain boards, or as part of a whole kit with the parts to populate it,
                  so there will be a cheaper version too.

                  Regards
                  Dave

                  ---------------------------------------------------------------
                  "Um, no - that's H,R,Y,N,K,I,W. No, not K,I,U,U, K,I,_W_. Yes,
                  that's right. Yes, I know it looks like "HOCKYRINK." Yup, only
                  2 vowels. Pronounciation? _SMITH_".
                  http://www.solarbotics.com
                • Tom Blitch
                  Okay cool. Tom   Dave Hrynkiw <sbcrap@solarbotics.com> wrote:
                  Message 8 of 10 , Sep 1, 2001
                    <P> Okay cool.
                    <P>Tom
                    <P>  <B><I>Dave Hrynkiw
                    <sbcrap@...></I></B> wrote:
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                    wondering when you would have somethihng like this.
                    Judging <BR>>on the prices of your kits Id' say
                    it's gonna waaaay beyond my budget. <BR>>Well I
                    hope not anyway.<BR><BR>When we know a price, we'll
                    announce it. But, the PCBs will be available as
                    <BR>raw, plain boards, or as part of a whole kit with
                    the parts to populate it, <BR>so there will be a
                    cheaper version
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