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RE: [beachcats] Re: Jib problem

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  • Philip
    I m with ya, Dazz! Long live the 5.8. Great boat, takes a beating and is generally bulletproof. Thanks for you help over the past year with jibs, beams,
    Message 1 of 21 , Oct 1, 2005
      I'm with ya, Dazz! Long live the 5.8. Great boat, takes a beating and is
      generally bulletproof. Thanks for you help over the past year with jibs,
      beams, rigging, etc.

      Philip

      -----Original Message-----
      From: beachcats@yahoogroups.com [mailto:beachcats@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
      Of Dazz
      Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 1:34 AM
      To: beachcats@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [beachcats] Re: Jib problem

      Its not the first time I have heard the 5.8 is a dead class in the good ol
      usa.

      The version of events i heard was the P19 came out, started beating the
      5.8's
      then people jumped class to that, then hobie came out with a 20 footer,
      again people jumped class, nacra came out with the 6.0 which really sealed
      the fate the 5.8.

      Personally I think its annoying when people tear a class down to make
      another.

      Here in OZ, the dealers for the p19 didn't like the boat, as a result there
      are 4 P19's here, none racing. the H20 wasn't as fast as a OZ 5.8 so they
      never really flourished either.

      Today the 5.8 remains a dominant class at many Australian clubs, they suit
      the people that cant be bothered with spinnaker boats (f-18) and like some
      thing more substantial under them than say the taipan's and A-cats.

      many new 5.8's have been turned out this year, as a new boat they are great
      value, 2/3 the price of a f18 or A-cat yet 98% of thier speed and at 350lbs
      fully rigged easily managed.

      long live the 5.8's!

      Cheers

      Darren.



      On 10/1/05, Philip <mummp@...> wrote:
      >
      > Surmise to say that the 5.8 class is dead. I know the fleet is strong down
      > under, but practically dead in the U.S. I have never seen a 5.8 one design
      > race in modern days, and they might have hade one in Michigan a few weeks
      > ago. But I agree with Mark, as he is most tenured with Nacra and well
      > experienced. The design is dead as far as racing boat to boat. As for the
      > jib sail being legal, Skip said that it was, and as far as I'm concerned,
      > his authority trumps all other opinions. If someone protests the sail,
      > I'll
      > pull out other one that should satisfy all concerned. It really is a mute
      > point, and I have been wrong before.
      >
      > As for the furling legality, I don't see where that is a problem, in
      > interpreting the rules. I can tell you this, when I'm racing, I'm usually
      > the only 5.8 on the course, I'm having fun, sailing with about 450 pounds,
      > and a cooler full of beer. I love the race, but more important, I love the
      > fellowship.
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: beachcats@yahoogroups.com [mailto:beachcats@yahoogroups.com] On
      > Behalf
      > Of Steve
      > Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 9:22 AM
      > To: beachcats@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [beachcats] Re: Jib problem
      >
      > I know it doesn't matter according to the letter of the rules, but I
      > don't see how a furler could be considered a performance
      > enhancement. Doesn't about 9" of material have to be cut off the
      > foot?
      >
      > --- In beachcats@yahoogroups.com, "John Schwartz" <pa38112@a...>
      > wrote:
      > > Personally, if I was going to protest this in a NACRA 5.8NA one
      > design race,
      > > I would go after the roller furler they have on the boat, not the
      > sail they
      > > had made to accommodate the roller furler. It would be a lot
      > easier to
      > > convince a race committee - who is to say they did not buy it from
      > NACRA,
      > > and have a sail maker adjust the battens.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: beachcats@yahoogroups.com [mailto:beachcats@yahoogroups.com]
      > On Behalf
      > > Of Mark Michaelsen
      > > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:16 PM
      > > To: beachcats@yahoogroups.com
      > > Subject: [beachcats] Re: Jib problem
      > >
      > >
      > > Actually Philip this is not correct. For the sail to be class legal
      > > it must be purchased through NACRA and not one of their licensed
      > > sailmakers. If you read the rule carefully that is exactly what it
      > > says. Now, is anyone going to enforce it? No, not unless you are at
      > > nationals.
      > >
      > > No one cares anymore,... the class is weak at best compared to the
      > > hay day of the mid 1990s when 50 NACRA 5.8s were at the state
      > > championships alone....
      > >
      > > I miss those days. Good boat, good people, great times....
      > >
      > >
      > > --- In beachcats@yahoogroups.com, "Philip" <mummp@b...> wrote:
      > > > The 5.8NA is a class legal Nacra design. The stock NA jib is a
      > > factory sail
      > > > and an active dealer product; therefore, you cannot order it
      > > directly from
      > > > EP. You "can" angle the battens, or leave one off, or modify the
      > > shape ever
      > > > so slightly, and EP will make the sail for you. I just did this
      > > last month
      > > > when I ordered an NA jib with the battens angled.
      > > >
      > > > Oddly enough, the jib with the angled battens is class legal, and
      > > can be
      > > > purchased from EP.
      > > >
      > > > Here is the rule:
      > > >
      > > > 5.6 EQUIPMENT may be added or changed to conform with current or
      > > previously
      > > > supplied Nacra series production equipment. All such equipment
      > > supplied by
      > > > Nacra shall be considered class legal.
      > > >
      > > > 5.6d Jib downhauls may not exceed 3:1 on 4.5, 5.0, 5.2, and 5.7.
      > > And 8:1 on
      > > > 5.5sl, 5.8na, and 6.0na. (Note: These purchases may void warranty)
      > > >
      > > > 6. SAILS AND BATTENS
      > > >
      > > > 6.1 CONSTRUCTION. The material, method of construction and design
      > > of the
      > > > sails shall be in accordance with the sail plan. The sails for the
      > > Nacra
      > > > 4.5, 4.5uni, 5.0, 5.2, 5.5 uni, 5.5 SL, 5.7, 5.8, 5.8na, and 6.0na
      > > shall be
      > > > built for Nacra from patterns and sail cloth approved by Nacra.
      > > Sails shall
      > > > be fabricated by builders licensed by Nacra for Nacra. Battens may
      > > be of
      > > > wood, carbon, foam fiberglass. A set may consist of a combination
      > > of these
      > > > types. All but the bottom batten must be used for racing (only one
      > > batten
      > > > per pocket is permitted).
      > > >
      > > > 6.2a ALTERATIONS. The jib sail may not be re-cut. Windows,
      > telltale
      > > windows,
      > > > and chart pockets are optional. Class insignias may not be
      > > repositioned or
      > > > altered in any manner.
      > > >
      > > > 6.2b SAIL REINFORCEMENT. Chaffing strips may be added to the
      > > mainsail
      > > > batten pockets where they come in contact with the shrouds.
      > > Spreader patches
      > > > are allowed.
      > > >
      > > > 6.3 LUFF ROPE. The entire mainsail luff rope must be in the mast
      > > luff
      > > > grooves except where the sail extends below the bottom of the
      > > extrusion on
      > > > boomless rigs.
      > > >
      > > > 6.4 CLEW TRAVELER. A clew traveler assembly (factory supplied) may
      > > be added
      > > > to any boomless sail plan that was not equipped with one
      > originally.
      > > >
      > > > 6.5 SAIL REPAIR. Any sail maker may make minor repairs to a
      > damaged
      > > Nacra
      > > > sail. Minor repair is defined as a repair that does not alter the
      > > original
      > > > shape or outline of the sail. Should a sail be so badly damaged as
      > > to
      > > > require a large percentage of new material, such as a complete
      > panel
      > > > replacement, it should be returned to an INCA licensed sail maker.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > http://www.nacraclass.com/northamerica/NAINDEX.htm (go to rules
      > > Nacra 4.5
      > > > thru 6.0NA)
      > > > http://tinyurl.com/7vghv
      > > >
      > > > Philip
      > > > Nacra 5.8NA
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > -----Original Message-----
      > > > From: beachcats@yahoogroups.com [mailto:beachcats@yahoogroups.com]
      > > On Behalf
      > > > Of Ron Waterstreet
      > > > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 5:46 PM
      > > > To: beachcats@yahoogroups.com
      > > > Subject: Re: [beachcats] Re: Jib problem
      > > >
      > > > Tim you are right it is not class legal. But because it is not a
      > > class
      > > > legal sail you can buy it direct from Elliott/Pattison. They can
      > > only
      > > > sell class legal sails to dealers or the factory.
      > > > Buzz
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Tim Dry wrote:
      > > >
      > > > > I had Danger/Ullman do the same thing for me a couple of years
      > > > >ago. I don't believe it is class legal, but it is much nicer
      > for
      > > it
      > > > >to furl cleanly.
      > > > >
      > > > > -Tim
      > > > >
      > > > >--- In beachcats@yahoogroups.com, Ron Waterstreet <buzz4@s...>
      > > wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >>Tim if you have a furler on the jib you can have the battens
      > > > >>
      > > > >>
      > > > >angled so
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >>that they will furl properly. Elliott/Pattison made my new jib
      > > > >>
      > > > >>
      > > > >this way
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >>and it sails great and furls great.
      > > > >>Buzz
      > > > >>
      > > > >>
      > > > >>Tim Dry wrote:
      > > > >>
      > > > >>
      > > > >>
      > > > >>> Are there any battens in the jib leach? Most Nacras have 2-3
      > > > >>>
      > > > >>>
      > > > >jib
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >>>leach battens that are about 6" long and are inserted in small
      > > > >>>pockets along the leach. On boats with roller furling, these
      > > > >>>present a problem because they don't roll well and they often
      > > > >>>
      > > > >>>
      > > > >punch
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >>>holes in the batten pockets and become lost.
      > > > >>>
      > > > >>> If you do have battens, then you either need to continue
      > moving
      > > > >>>the jib leads forward and tightening the jib or have a
      > sailmaker
      > > > >>>look at the jib to see if it needs to be re-cut or replaced.
      > > > >>>
      > > > >>>Tim Dry
      > > > >>>Nacra 6.0 #32
      > > > >>>Minden, NV
      > > > >>>
      > > > >>>--- In beachcats@yahoogroups.com, B Kowerchuk <kowerchukb@y...>
      > > > >>>wrote:
      > > > >>>
      > > > >>>
      > > > >>>
      > > > >>>
      > > > >>>>I'm just getting used to my Nacra 5.8 (a month now),
      > > > >>>>and I've only sailed on my Hobie 14 Turbo for about a year
      > before
      > > > >>>>that. I'm hoping to get some advise, as I don't know what I'm
      > > > >>>>doing wrong.
      > > > >>>>
      > > > >>>>I have 2 jibs with the Nacra; turns out they're the
      > > > >>>>same cut, just one is old and patched, the other is
      > > > >>>>crisp and looks much newer. However, both jibs seem to have
      > the
      > > > >>>>same problem... As soon as there's a bit of wind (say above
      > about
      > > > >>>>10kn), going upwind, the leach of the jib starts
      > > > >>>>flapping. Tightening the jib and/or moving the jib car
      > > > >>>>forward or back on the track doesn't seem to
      > > > >>>>completely fix it.
      > > > >>>>One other thing, the boat has a 3-1 block setup for
      > > > >>>>the jib rope part of the halyard, but right now the
      > > > >>>>rope halyard is too short, so it was setup 1-1 only;
      > > > >>>>so the luff may be a bit slack?
      > > > >>>>
      > > > >>>>Anyway, I would greatly appreciate any suggestions. Thanks!
      > > > >>>>BradK
      > > > >>>>H14T, Nacra 5.8
      > > > >>>>
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