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  • Sam Sloane
    Steve, You ve been around a long time if you can remember the year 1053! Sam _____ From: bbshop@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bbshop@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
    Message 1 of 14 , Apr 4, 2007
      Steve,

      You've been around a long time if you can remember the year 1053!

      Sam

      _____

      From: bbshop@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bbshop@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
      plumbbari@...
      Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:35 PM
      To: walterdods@...; bbshop@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [bbshop] Solve a puzzle

      In a message dated 4/4/2007 6:36:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
      walterdods@btintern <mailto:walterdods%40btinternet.com> et.com writes:
      > I have in my collection a plastic disc with the SPEBSQSA logo about 3"
      > across with a brass ring through it. On the reverse side is printed:
      >
      > "Champions"
      >
      > AREA 11
      >
      > 1953
      >

      Walter:

      Back in the '50s and '60s, when the Society was growing and each District
      was
      forming its own structure, several Districts grouped chapters in "Sections."

      These groups resembled today's Division structure, which, in fact, they
      became, when our headquarters reorganized the Society structure in the late
      '60s.

      "Sections" held their own contests, some of which qualified groups to go on
      to District competition, some of which were local championships. They were
      not
      all alike, by a long shot, but they flourished because they enabled local
      rivalries to form and for close-together chapters (clubs) to be active
      together.

      This medal from a California "section" sounds typical of the kind of local
      award that would have been presented in 1053.

      Steve Plumb
      50-year Society member
      Possessed of a clear memory of "olden" days, wishing I knew where my car
      keys
      are &8>)

      [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



      [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
    • Shelley Herman
      ... Like it was yesterday.....But I don t remember yesterday! ;-) Apropos this week- One of the benefits of growing old is that you can hide your own
      Message 2 of 14 , Apr 4, 2007
        > From: "Sam Sloane" <sed@...>
        > Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:55:08 -0400
        > To: <plumbbari@...>, <walterdods@...>, <bbshop@yahoogroups.com>
        > Subject: RE: [bbshop] Solve a puzzle
        >
        > Steve,
        >
        > You've been around a long time if you can remember the year 1053!
        >
        > Sam
        >
        Like it was yesterday.....But I don't remember yesterday! ;-)


        Apropos this week- One of the benefits of growing old is that you can hide
        your own Easter eggs!

        Shelley Herman
        saherman@...
      • Allan Webb
        As any of the old timers will tell you, Barbershop started going downhill after the Norman conquest 13 years later... Allan ... -- ... Allan Webb Senior Staff
        Message 3 of 14 , Apr 4, 2007
          As any of the old timers will tell you, Barbershop started going
          downhill after the Norman conquest 13 years later...

          Allan

          >Steve,
          >
          >You've been around a long time if you can remember the year 1053!
          >
          >Sam
          >
          >>Walter:
          >>
          >>Back in the '50s and '60s, when the Society was growing and each District
          >>was
          >>forming its own structure, several Districts grouped chapters in "Sections."
          >>
          >>These groups resembled today's Division structure, which, in fact, they
          >>became, when our headquarters reorganized the Society structure in the late
          >>'60s.
          >>
          >>"Sections" held their own contests, some of which qualified groups to go on
          >>to District competition, some of which were local championships. They were
          >>not
          >>all alike, by a long shot, but they flourished because they enabled local
          >>rivalries to form and for close-together chapters (clubs) to be active
          >>together.
          >>
          >>This medal from a California "section" sounds typical of the kind of local
          >>award that would have been presented in 1053.
          >>
          >>Steve Plumb
          >>50-year Society member
          >>Possessed of a clear memory of "olden" days, wishing I knew where my car
          >>keys
          >>are &8>)
          --
          -------------
          Allan Webb
          Senior Staff IT Engineer, MCSE
          Information Technology Department
          QUALCOMM Incorporated
          San Diego, CA
          awebb@...
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        • Walter Dods
          Thank you to everyone for their assistance. I think this piece of Barbershop history deserves to be in the hands of a historian. Would any suitable person
          Message 4 of 14 , Apr 5, 2007
            Thank you to everyone for their assistance.



            I think this piece of Barbershop history deserves to be in the hands of a
            historian.



            Would any suitable person please get in touch and I shall gladly pass this
            medal on to them.



            Now, the "1053" question?



            That might explain why the French don't Barbershop. Not a lot of people know
            that King Harold, the Saxon is well known as to have founded the first
            Barbershop Society in the world in 1053 known as the "Society for the
            Preservation and Encouragement of Barbershop Quartet Singing in Saxon,
            England" or as it was known as SPEBSQSE. This so irritate William the
            Norman, back in Normandy that some Saxon had beat him to it, that he bided
            his time and 13 years later he invaded the SPEBSQSE convention with his own
            chorus.



            The Saxons were unprepared for the arrival of a chorus of that size from
            France as up to this time William had only promoted the forming of
            quartettes. This resulted in groups of young men, normally in fours hanging
            around street corners waiting for someone to come along and compose the
            first popular song so that they could woodshed the harmonies.



            William and his chorus decided to stay in England and he outlawed young men
            gathering together in groups of four. French women were so outraged at his
            decision that they swore an oath never to shave again.





            Walter Dods

            Lead

            Life's A Pitch Quartet

            &
            The Rolling Hills Chorus, British Assocation of Barbershop Singers

            &

            The Chorus of the Chesapeake, Dundalk Chapter of the Barbershop Harmony
            Society



            Former Lead

            Celtic Connection Winners of the Inaugural BABS Scratch Quartet Contest



            Former Tenor, Lead & Bass

            Easy Street Quartet



            Former Tenor

            Borderline Quartet



            _____

            From: Plumbbari@... [mailto:Plumbbari@...]
            Sent: 05 April 2007 00:35
            To: walterdods@...; bbshop@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [bbshop] Solve a puzzle



            In a message dated 4/4/2007 6:36:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
            walterdods@... writes:



            I have in my collection a plastic disc with the SPEBSQSA logo about 3"
            across with a brass ring through it. On the reverse side is printed:

            "Champions"

            AREA 11

            1953



            Walter:

            Back in the '50s and '60s, when the Society was growing and each District
            was forming its own structure, several Districts grouped chapters in
            "Sections." These groups resembled today's Division structure, which, in
            fact, they became, when our headquarters reorganized the Society structure
            in the late '60s.

            "Sections" held their own contests, some of which qualified groups to go on
            to District competition, some of which were local championships. They were
            not all alike, by a long shot, but they flourished because they enabled
            local rivalries to form and for close-together chapters (clubs) to be active
            together.

            This medal from a California "section" sounds typical of the kind of local
            award that would have been presented in 1053.

            Steve Plumb
            50-year Society member
            Possessed of a clear memory of "olden" days, wishing I knew where my car
            keys are &8>)



            [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          • Bob Patterson
            One would get the impression you don t think much of the French. Oh well, at least you re not still fighting the Colonies. I noticed when we were on your side
            Message 5 of 14 , Apr 5, 2007
              One would get the impression you don't think much of the French.
              Oh well, at least you're not still fighting the Colonies.
              I noticed when we were on your side of the Atlantic River that the dustup
              in 1776 has been expunged from your military history. For some reason,
              1812 still exists, at least to the extent of burning The Whitehouse.

              Bob Patterson, Bari
              Tortilla Flats
              who have decided to take Metropolis' place in contest this year.
              Oh! Did we miss international prelims again?

              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "Walter Dods" <walterdods@...>
              To: <bbshop@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 1:53 AM
              Subject: RE: [bbshop] Solve a puzzle


              > Thank you to everyone for their assistance.
              >
              >
              >
              > I think this piece of Barbershop history deserves to be in the hands of a
              > historian.
              >
              >
              >
              > Would any suitable person please get in touch and I shall gladly pass this
              > medal on to them.
              >
              >
              >
              > Now, the "1053" question?
              >
              >
              >
              > That might explain why the French don't Barbershop. Not a lot of people
              > know
              > that King Harold, the Saxon is well known as to have founded the first
              > Barbershop Society in the world in 1053 known as the "Society for the
              > Preservation and Encouragement of Barbershop Quartet Singing in Saxon,
              > England" or as it was known as SPEBSQSE. This so irritate William the
              > Norman, back in Normandy that some Saxon had beat him to it, that he bided
              > his time and 13 years later he invaded the SPEBSQSE convention with his
              > own
              > chorus.
              >
              >
              >
              > The Saxons were unprepared for the arrival of a chorus of that size from
              > France as up to this time William had only promoted the forming of
              > quartettes. This resulted in groups of young men, normally in fours
              > hanging
              > around street corners waiting for someone to come along and compose the
              > first popular song so that they could woodshed the harmonies.
              >
              >
              >
              > William and his chorus decided to stay in England and he outlawed young
              > men
              > gathering together in groups of four. French women were so outraged at his
              > decision that they swore an oath never to shave again.
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > Walter Dods
              >
              > Lead
              >
              > Life's A Pitch Quartet
              >
              > &
              > The Rolling Hills Chorus, British Assocation of Barbershop Singers
              >
              > &
              >
              > The Chorus of the Chesapeake, Dundalk Chapter of the Barbershop Harmony
              > Society
              >
              >
              >
              > Former Lead
              >
              > Celtic Connection Winners of the Inaugural BABS Scratch Quartet Contest
              >
              >
              >
              > Former Tenor, Lead & Bass
              >
              > Easy Street Quartet
              >
              >
              >
              > Former Tenor
              >
              > Borderline Quartet
              >
              >
              >
              > _____
              >
              > From: Plumbbari@... [mailto:Plumbbari@...]
              > Sent: 05 April 2007 00:35
              > To: walterdods@...; bbshop@yahoogroups.com
              > Subject: Re: [bbshop] Solve a puzzle
              >
              >
              >
              > In a message dated 4/4/2007 6:36:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
              > walterdods@... writes:
              >
              >
              >
              > I have in my collection a plastic disc with the SPEBSQSA logo about 3"
              > across with a brass ring through it. On the reverse side is printed:
              >
              > "Champions"
              >
              > AREA 11
              >
              > 1953
              >
              >
              >
              > Walter:
              >
              > Back in the '50s and '60s, when the Society was growing and each District
              > was forming its own structure, several Districts grouped chapters in
              > "Sections." These groups resembled today's Division structure, which, in
              > fact, they became, when our headquarters reorganized the Society structure
              > in the late '60s.
              >
              > "Sections" held their own contests, some of which qualified groups to go
              > on
              > to District competition, some of which were local championships. They
              > were
              > not all alike, by a long shot, but they flourished because they enabled
              > local rivalries to form and for close-together chapters (clubs) to be
              > active
              > together.
              >
              > This medal from a California "section" sounds typical of the kind of local
              > award that would have been presented in 1053.
              >
              > Steve Plumb
              > 50-year Society member
              > Possessed of a clear memory of "olden" days, wishing I knew where my car
              > keys are &8>)
              >
              >
              >
              > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              >
              >
              >
              >
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              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
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            • David Baker
              ... Barbershop ... known ... The rest of the story is even less well known. Society historians will tell you that SPEBSQSE drifted further and further from
              Message 6 of 14 , Apr 5, 2007
                > That might explain why the French don't Barbershop.
                > Not a lot of people know that King Harold, the Saxon
                > is well known as to have founded the first
                Barbershop
                > Society in the world in 1053 known as the "Society
                > for the Preservation and Encouragement of Barbershop
                > Quartet Singing in Saxon, England" or as it was
                known
                > as SPEBSQSE.

                The rest of the story is even less well known. Society
                historians will tell you that SPEBSQSE drifted further
                and further from Saxon harmonic traditions over the
                next century and a half. The society was much
                criticized for its permissiveness in allowing more and
                more influences from "continental a cappella" out of
                Normandy and even hairier places in Europe.

                Then, in 1215, a group of KIBber nobles forced King
                John and his chorus to sing the Magna Charta (or
                "great chart," which -- not surprisingly -- was
                arranged by David Wright), during the International
                contest at Runnymede. However, the King's Chorus was
                disqualified almost immediately when a music judge
                noticed that the lyrics of the opening verses (which
                were in Latin) repeatedly invoked the name of deity.


                Dave Baker



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              • JHunna1@AOL.COM
                In a message dated 4/5/2007 12:21:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, equinoxtenor@yahoo.com writes: However, the King s Chorus was disqualified almost immediately
                Message 7 of 14 , Apr 5, 2007
                  In a message dated 4/5/2007 12:21:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
                  equinoxtenor@... writes:

                  However, the King's Chorus was
                  disqualified almost immediately when a music judge
                  noticed that the lyrics of the opening verses (which
                  were in Latin) repeatedly invoked the name of deity.

                  Dave Baker



                  I will point out a factual error here. Just as in modern times, the
                  responsibility for whether a song is religious or not was the responsibility of ye
                  olde Presentation judge, not Music. Of course the penalty for disqualification
                  was to burn the perpetrators at the stake. Thus creating the saying " I was
                  burned by the judges again"

                  Joe Hunter
                  Presentation Category Specialist
                  Just Trying to Set the Record Straight



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                • Djbqpa@aol.com
                  ... Uh . . . . maybe this was an early example of Ye Common Ground? (8^D) Dick Johnson Great Falls, MT ************************************** See what s free
                  Message 8 of 14 , Apr 5, 2007
                    In a message dated 4/5/07 10:38:02 AM, JHunna1@... writes:


                    >
                    > I will point out a factual error here. Just as in modern times, the
                    > responsibility for whether a song is religious or not was the responsibility
                    > of ye
                    > olde Presentation judge, not Music.
                    >

                    Uh . . . . maybe this was an early example of Ye Common Ground?

                    (8^D)



                    Dick Johnson
                    Great Falls, MT



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                  • Chris Slacke
                    ... Me thinks t would be but a Phoenician could speake thusly? Chris
                    Message 9 of 14 , Apr 5, 2007
                      --- In bbshop@yahoogroups.com, JHunna1@... wrote:

                      >Of course the penalty for disqualification
                      > was to burn the perpetrators at the stake.
                      >Thus creating the saying " I was
                      > burned by the judges again"
                      >
                      > Joe Hunter
                      > Presentation Category Specialist
                      > Just Trying to Set the Record Straight
                      >



                      Me thinks t'would be but a Phoenician could speake thusly?


                      Chris
                    • jed3713@juno.com
                      Chris...Whadaya crazy??? They re from Noo Yawk and dey are VENICIANS. So dey act like dey are Eyetralians. Jus look at the soots!!! Jethro
                      Message 10 of 14 , Apr 5, 2007
                        Chris...Whadaya crazy??? They're from Noo Yawk and dey are VENICIANS. So
                        dey act like dey are Eyetralians. Jus look at the soots!!! Jethro
                      • Chris Slacke
                        ... So ... Well, burned again was my Phoenetic impulse, J-low. But Mr. Dods period 2 HOTW1 class was quite inspiring. Chris
                        Message 11 of 14 , Apr 6, 2007
                          --- In bbshop@yahoogroups.com, jed3713@... wrote:
                          >
                          > Chris...Whadaya crazy??? They're from Noo Yawk and dey are VENICIANS.
                          So
                          > dey act like dey are Eyetralians. Jus look at the soots!!! Jethro
                          >


                          Well, 'burned again' was my Phoenetic impulse, J-low.

                          But Mr. Dods period 2 HOTW1 class was quite inspiring.


                          Chris
                        • Djbqpa@aol.com
                          ... My Dad used to say, One of the advantages of Alzheimer s is - you get to meet brand new people every day! Dick Johnson Great Falls, MT
                          Message 12 of 14 , Apr 6, 2007
                            In a message dated 4/6/07 7:42:19 AM, saherman@... writes:


                            > One of the benefits of growing old is that you can hide
                            > your own Easter eggs!
                            >
                            >

                            My Dad used to say, "One of the advantages of Alzheimer's is -
                            you get to meet brand new people every day!"



                            Dick Johnson
                            Great Falls, MT



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