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  • Dan Roberson
    Hi, netters, This may have been discussed before, but I missed it - How are the judges selected to be judges at International? Seniority? Availablity? Some
    Message 1 of 4 , Jul 1, 2003
      Hi, netters,

      This may have been discussed before, but I
      missed it - How are the judges selected to be
      judges at International? Seniority? Availablity?
      Some other formulas or criterium? I'm curious.

      Dan Roberson
      Roswell Firehouse Harmony Brigade
      Roswell, GA


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    • Dan Roberson
      Hi, Netters, I d like to say thanks to Dan Smith, David Bailey-Aldrich, Jim West and Walt Miller for their answers to my question on selecting judges for
      Message 2 of 4 , Jul 2, 2003
        Hi, Netters,
        I'd like to say thanks to
        Dan Smith, David Bailey-Aldrich,
        Jim West and Walt Miller for their
        answers to my question on selecting
        judges for International. What knowledgable
        people and what a great source of
        information is the Harmonet.

        In harmony,
        Dan Roberson
        Roswell Firehouse Harmony Brigade
        Roswell, GA


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      • Dan Roberson
        Several people have asked about the answers I got in response to my queation about how the judges are selected for Int l. So here they are: Dan Smith wrote:
        Message 3 of 4 , Jul 2, 2003
          Several people have asked about the answers I
          got in response to my queation about how the
          judges are selected for Int'l. So here they are:

          Dan Smith wrote:

          First and foremost, it's based on availablity. Next, among those who have expressed availability, there is a comparison that is done to see who the best qualified people are. Now, it varies from category to category on who goes. However, in the Singing Category, the Category Specialist (if not competing) gets an automatic invite. Next, the (B)oard (O)f (R)eview of that category specialist get an invite as well (that's three more). Finally, out of all the guys expressing interest to go, there is one more that's chosen. The way they (C.S. and B.O.R.) determine the lucky guy is to utilize statistics from past contests during the year. The main focus is an individual's accuracy percentage on scoring. A lot of people don't realize this, but every judge is monitored on scoring. If there is a constant variance being witnessed, that individual's placement within the judging community may be threatened when the next certification school arrives. That's why we ALL strive to get our numbers as CLOSE as possible to each other.

          It's a tough procedure, but hopefully I made some sense of it (well, for the singing category that is.)

          Take care,
          Dan Smith, Jr.
          SNG - ILL

          David Bailey-Aldrich wrote:

          I'm sure you'll get more detailed replies, but my understanding, from
          talking with my friends who are judges, is that the judges at
          International are chosen by how well they score.

          The C&J community has a system that tracks EVERY judge's scores and
          compares them with every other judge in that category. The judges
          who are shown to be the most consistent and accurate are chosen,
          along with the Category specialists.

          Other factors include whether the judge competes in a chorus or
          quartet. I do remember that one guy actually competed in the first
          two rounds of the quartet contest, then judged the chorus competition
          on Saturday morning, and competed in the quartet finals that night.
          Wow!

          I hope this helps a little bit. Like I said, I'm sure you'll get
          answers from judges that are more detailed.

          David Bailey-Aldrich
          Lead - Great Northern Union
          Hilltop MN chapter

          Jim West wrote:

          The International Judges are usually each Category Specialist and his
          board of review, for each category, a total of nine of the of the fifteen
          judges.
          This is their reward [ punishment?] for all the long hours and hard work
          they put in during their tenure. The two remaining judges in each category
          are the judges who scored the highest during all the practice at the last
          Category School. Of course, often, these men can't judge because they're
          also competitors, so the invitation is extended to the next highest scoring
          people. Believe me when I say that the scores are so close in category
          school, that any of our certified judges are quite capable of doing the job
          at the International Contest.

          Hummmmmmmmbly yours,
          Jim West
          a former Music Judge who never got the honor of judging an International.


          and finally, Walt Miller wrote:

          I answered this offline because, though I'm pretty certain of my answer, I'm
          not inviting flames for not being exactly correct.

          Each of the categories, has what is known as a category specialist for that
          year. It is this judge who is the head of that particular category and to
          whom complaints or discrepencies are directed. I believe that the category
          specialist is responsible for picking 4 others of his category to judge the
          International contest. This would make the five judges in each category. I
          believe that the choice is his to make, perhaps with the approval of the
          International Contest and Judging Chairman, who, of course, is the head of
          the International Judging Panel.

          Walt Miller
          Singing Buckeyes

          Please, no flames for Walt, since I didn't get his permission
          to put this up publically!!

          Dan Roberson
          Roswell Firehouse Harmony Brigade
          Roswell, GA

          PS Just heard Sat Eve Post on the webcast --- WOW!!


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        • Condon Thomas A KPWA
          Folks, One thing that hasn t been mentioned in the Judging Selection comments is that there is a rule limiting appearances as a judge. Only the Category
          Message 4 of 4 , Jul 7, 2003
            Folks,

            One thing that hasn't been mentioned in the Judging Selection comments is
            that there is a rule limiting appearances as a judge. Only the Category
            Specialists (the Chairman of Judges may fall into this category, too) may
            judge two international contests consecutively. So the BOR and best scoring
            judges don't show *every* year. Of course, the second best scoring judge is
            hardly a drop from the best, since the margin for error to certify isn't
            that large. What this means is that there are a constant cycling of judges
            (we don't get 9-12 of the same judges each year).

            Also, since the Category Specialist is a 3 year post (that may be repeated,
            but usually he is pretty worn out by then) this person changes now and then,
            too. CS and BoR members may be changed due to varying personal
            circumstances as well.


            In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord,

            Tom :-})

            Thomas A. Condon
            Barbershop Bass Singer
            Registered Linux User #154358
            A Jester Unemployed
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