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Re: [bbshop] Re: Rose chord

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  • Lauren Rants
    Finally, ...the Harmonet is interesting again! Thank you Joe and Larry. Lauren Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. Sent
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      Finally, ...the Harmonet is interesting again!

      Thank you Joe and Larry.

      Lauren

      Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.

      Sent from my iPhone.

      On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:18 PM, Joe Liles <joelilesmusic@...> wrote:

      > The old-timers called this three-chord progression the "Rose Chord" because
      > it was the opening sequence of "Broadway Rose." It is also used in the
      > last line of "Sweet Roses of Morn" . . . "you're the i-deal (of my dreams)"
      >
      > It's one of my favorite progressions, so I opened "One More Song" with it.
      > On the first chord, the bass needs to be high and light. He's on the third
      > of the Bb chord and that D sends off harmonics that are soon dissonant with
      > the root and fifth. The lead is on the fifth and as he moves to the F#
      > (Gb) in the second chord, he needs to sing a full half-step and bring out
      > the root of the second chord.
      >
      > In the second chord (a Gb 7th, or F# 7th), the tenor sings the 7th of the
      > chord (tuning low, like he should) and that seventh becomes the third in
      > the next chord (C7th) and that third must be raised to tune properly to the
      > harmonics. This makes two different versions of the "same" note.
      >
      > The bari is just the opposite, being a third in the second chord and a 7th
      > in the last chord. The old-time barbershoppers called this chord
      > relationship an "across-the-clock" move. I'll not bother you with the
      > reason. You need to attend my tune-it-or-die class at Harmony U. You
      > seldom hear it sung correctly anymore. It takes a careful ear, but it is
      > so much fun to sing it right!!!
      >
      > So . . . Yes . . . the Rose Chord is a three-chord combo.
      >
      > Joe
      >
      > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Larry Triplett <larrycfc@...>wrote:
      >
      >> **
      >>
      >>
      >> I've always heard the reference as referring to the first chord in the
      >> progression, though it always implies the entire sequence of three
      >> chords. But it's that 1st inversion starting chord that is unusual, and
      >> warrants coming up with a name in the first place. Sure, it's logical
      >> that rose chord would mean the chord sung on "rose" but that's just too
      >> obvious, ;-) Jargon seldom develops on logical lines.
      >>
      >> On 11/27/2012 3:44 AM, Jay wrote:
      >>> As for the "Rose Chord"....this is the progression.
      >>> The Rose Chord, I assume, is the C7 ... Top down
      >>>
      >>> "Good"
      >>> F
      >>> Bb
      >>> F
      >>> D
      >>>
      >>> "Bye"
      >>> E
      >>> Bb
      >>> Gb
      >>> Db
      >>>
      >>> "Rose"
      >>> E
      >>> Bb
      >>> G
      >>> C
      >>>
      >>> ...with is the opening of the refrain from the song, "Goodbye, Rose".
      >>
      >> --
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      >>
      >> Larry Triplett, CFC
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      >> Durham, NC 27715
      >> larrycfc@... <mailto:larrycfc@...>
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      >
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