Re: [Possible spam] Re: [bbshop] Re: If I started a chapter today (formerly BHS (SPEBSQSA))
- Hi Helen --
Indeed, audio media exist for converting learning tracks from left-right balance recordings. Do most chapters have this now? Certainly a goodly number of our members don't have the equipment and ability to do the conversion. You mention MP3s: I know a whole bunch of men who still have TAPE recorders. They can't even play CDs, let alone MP3s.
You have misquoted me: I ASKED "What if, just what if, members don't have the time, the dedication, the music-reading skills, the left/right balance equipment in their home, and are unwilling to sit in their vehicles to play learning tracks as they look at charts?" One or more of those is a reality for the majority of our BHS choruses. That's where we get the lag singing and other problems -- and end up teaching/learning/fixing stuff on the risers.
And you have misquoted me once again about the Painlessly learning process. You refer to "reps" or repetitions meaning one-time each. That is not what I said: I wrote that the Painlessly method "makes error-free learning possible in three to four SESSIONS of 20-minutes each."
Obviously you are an excellent chorus director and you sing with an excellent, high-achieving quartet. And I am aware of Jay's teaching method (which is similar to the Painlessly method -- in fact it even cites Jay favorably. (I admire all he has done for our hobby!) However, Jay's method does not cover the specifics in detail that Painlessly does-- and the Painlessly manual provides essential steps that Jay's doesn't. Further, it has been proven to work -- even with a rag-tag bunch of seniors in a declining chorus.
My records show that you have not requested a copy of the manual. So you could not have read it and certainly have not tried it. So may I suggest that criticizing something you have never seen -- and misinterpreting others' statements about it -- is inappropriate?
Anything I write about adult learning, leadership, or marketing/PR draws upon current, proven research in those fields. I try to address the concerns barbershoppers share with me and one of those issues is that we have an overwhelming number of high socializers in our chapters, and nowhere near as many high achievers. While socializers will say they want to sing well, I doubt that you would find many of them doing all you do to listen to learning tracks. I doubt that many of them (even the moderate achievers) would do all that you go through just to learn a song.
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Subject: [Possible spam] Re: [bbshop] Re: If I started a chapter today (formerly BHS (SPEBSQSA))
You don't have to be in your car to enjoy and learn from learning tracks?!
Surely a singer can eke out SOME sort of time in their day to sing
along with tracks?
(And there are work-arounds for creating any serviceable audio media from
whatever source material they are initially recorded.)
For ex, I carry my .mp3 player and ear buds with me when I'm working
Are you saying that the ONLY time that people make time to learn music
is at rehearsal? If so, I find that - well - just plain lazy.
About all it really takes for 3 - 4 reps of a 2 - 3 min song is 10 -
Also the "excuse" that "my car only has a cassette player" is a lazy excuse too
I don't buy the profuse excuse-making - period - even as a chorus director.
We have too many ways to help teach people of varying learning styles,
by giving them great learning tools with a variety of teaching methods,
to have to accept that they can ONLY learn on chorus time which is only 3 hours
a week out of 168 hours in a week.
- Helen Giallombardo
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