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  • Ben Davidson
    I am writing to introduce ourselves and fish for any history on our new Boat. It is a Bayfield 36, green stripes on white. My wife Kristen and I have
    Message 1 of 25 , Nov 1, 2008
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      I am writing to introduce ourselves and fish for any history on our new
      Boat. It is a Bayfield 36, green stripes on white. My wife Kristen
      and I have purchased Wind-Borne in Oriental, NC and are currently on
      the hard, working hard. We intend to head south in a few weeks and
      visit the Bahamas if not further. The last owner was Luc Picard(real
      name, not captain of the enterprise) from Quebec. He only owned it a
      year though. Before that it had a hailing port of Key West and some
      owners that fit it out for extended cruising.
      We wanted to say Hi to all the other owners and would love to hear any
      history that anyone knows of this boat. This is not Wind-Borne III
      that has a website either...
      Thanks!
      Ben and Kristen Davidson
    • Tod Herrick
      Congrats! We have enjoyed Mandolin, our 1987 B-36 for about 5 seasons now. We find her to be a sea kindly boat that turns lots of heads. We have not had her on
      Message 2 of 25 , Nov 1, 2008
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        Congrats! We have enjoyed Mandolin, our 1987 B-36 for about 5 seasons now. We find her to be a sea kindly boat that turns lots of heads. We have not had her on any open water trips but have taken her coastal off of the NJ coast to NYC from the Chesapeake Bay. She is comfortable and solid.

        Welcome to the group.

        Tod

        May the winds be fair and the seas kindly.

        -----Original Message-----

        From: "Ben Davidson" <bennyd10@...>
        Subj: [BYOR] Wind-Borne is ours!!!!
        Date: Sat Nov 1, 2008 9:25 am
        Size: 13K
        To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com

        I am writing to introduce ourselves and fish for any history on our new
        Boat. It is a Bayfield 36, green stripes on white. My wife Kristen
        and I have purchased Wind-Borne in Oriental, NC and are currently on
        the hard, working hard. We intend to head south in a few weeks and
        visit the Bahamas if not further. The last owner was Luc Picard(real
        name, not captain of the enterprise) from Quebec. He only owned it a
        year though. Before that it had a hailing port of Key West and some
        owners that fit it out for extended cruising.
        We wanted to say Hi to all the other owners and would love to hear any
        history that anyone knows of this boat. This is not Wind-Borne III
        that has a website either...
        Thanks!
        Ben and Kristen Davidson
      • On the Sloop elan
        Welcome to the group - if you get close to Freeport, Bahamas let me know and you can drop anchor in our cove. Gary (B-29) Freeport, Bahamas To:
        Message 3 of 25 , Nov 1, 2008
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          Welcome to the group - if you get close to Freeport, Bahamas let me know and you can drop anchor in our cove.
          Gary (B-29)
          Freeport, Bahamas




          To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.comFrom: bennyd10@...: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 13:24:56 +0000Subject: [BYOR] Wind-Borne is ours!!!!



          I am writing to introduce ourselves and fish for any history on our new Boat. It is a Bayfield 36, green stripes on white. My wife Kristen and I have purchased Wind-Borne in Oriental, NC and are currently on the hard, working hard. We intend to head south in a few weeks and visit the Bahamas if not further. The last owner was Luc Picard(real name, not captain of the enterprise) from Quebec. He only owned it a year though. Before that it had a hailing port of Key West and some owners that fit it out for extended cruising. We wanted to say Hi to all the other owners and would love to hear any history that anyone knows of this boat. This is not Wind-Borne III that has a website either... Thanks!Ben and Kristen Davidson





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        • Norbert
          There is only ONE Wind-Borne listed in the Registry, and Quebec owners too, but it is listed as being build by CS. A Bayfield with that name is not shown,
          Message 4 of 25 , Nov 1, 2008
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            There is only ONE "Wind-Borne" listed in the Registry, and Quebec
            owners too, but it is listed as being build by CS. A Bayfield with
            that name is not shown, even with an expired registry.

            Btw, I was not aware that the registration expires after 3 yrs. Is that
            news to someone else too? I can not see any expiry date in my
            Registration papers. The cost is $ 50.00 to renew the registration, and
            a note in the Registrar website says:

            "Anyone operating a vessel with an invalid document is in contravention
            of the Canada Shipping Act and liable to prosecution".

            This is all somewhat confusing, cause I had my boat 10 yrs now, but
            it's registration only expired in march of this year, yet its supposed
            to be valid for 3 yrs. only.(???)

            Any comments?

            Thanks, Norbert
            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



            --- In bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com, "Ben Davidson" <bennyd10@...>
            wrote:
            >
            > I am writing to introduce ourselves and fish for any history on our
            new
            > Boat. It is a Bayfield 36, green stripes on white. My wife Kristen
            > and I have purchased Wind-Borne in Oriental, NC and are currently on
            > the hard, working hard. We intend to head south in a few weeks and
            > visit the Bahamas if not further. The last owner was Luc Picard(real
            > name, not captain of the enterprise) from Quebec. He only owned it a
            > year though. Before that it had a hailing port of Key West and some
            > owners that fit it out for extended cruising.
            > We wanted to say Hi to all the other owners and would love to hear
            any
            > history that anyone knows of this boat. This is not Wind-Borne III
            > that has a website either...
            > Thanks!
            > Ben and Kristen Davidson
            >
          • JD Jamieson
            Norbert I doubt that she was ever a registered vessel. If Picard bought her in the US and she was a documented vessel with the USGC a Canadian would not be
            Message 5 of 25 , Nov 1, 2008
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              Norbert

              I doubt that she was ever a registered vessel. If Picard bought her in the US and she was a documented vessel with the USGC a Canadian would not be able to legally own her (same as here, foreigners are not allowed to own registered vessels). So either the documentation didn't get changed or she is licensed (and will have numbers on each side of the bow). If not, Ben is going to have to get the documentation changed with the USCG.

              I have not been billed for my registration renewal either (it was renewed automatically after the three years in 2007 without any request for money). I sent in an address change last spring and the three year renewal date started again from that point, so go figure.

              John




              From: Norbert
              Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 2:33 PM
              To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!


              There is only ONE "Wind-Borne" listed in the Registry, and Quebec
              owners too, but it is listed as being build by CS. A Bayfield with
              that name is not shown, even with an expired registry.

              Btw, I was not aware that the registration expires after 3 yrs. Is that
              news to someone else too? I can not see any expiry date in my
              Registration papers. The cost is $ 50.00 to renew the registration, and
              a note in the Registrar website says:

              "Anyone operating a vessel with an invalid document is in contravention
              of the Canada Shipping Act and liable to prosecution".

              This is all somewhat confusing, cause I had my boat 10 yrs now, but
              it's registration only expired in march of this year, yet its supposed
              to be valid for 3 yrs. only.(???)

              Any comments?

              Thanks, Norbert
              ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

              --- In bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com, "Ben Davidson" <bennyd10@...>
              wrote:
              >
              > I am writing to introduce ourselves and fish for any history on our
              new
              > Boat. It is a Bayfield 36, green stripes on white. My wife Kristen
              > and I have purchased Wind-Borne in Oriental, NC and are currently on
              > the hard, working hard. We intend to head south in a few weeks and
              > visit the Bahamas if not further. The last owner was Luc Picard(real
              > name, not captain of the enterprise) from Quebec. He only owned it a
              > year though. Before that it had a hailing port of Key West and some
              > owners that fit it out for extended cruising.
              > We wanted to say Hi to all the other owners and would love to hear
              any
              > history that anyone knows of this boat. This is not Wind-Borne III
              > that has a website either...
              > Thanks!
              > Ben and Kristen Davidson
              >





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            • Rod or Ondine Brandon
              Rules changed about 6 years ago. Previously, when a boat was federally registered at a given port (I believe Toronto was 50) the registration was good for
              Message 6 of 25 , Nov 1, 2008
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                Rules changed about 6 years ago.

                Previously, when a boat was federally registered at a given port (I believe
                Toronto was 50) the registration was good for life. The boat had 3 inch
                numbers at the bow on each side starting with the registration port ID
                number. Registration proved title.

                6 years ago this all changed. Licensing was introduded. No cost. Good for
                life. Doesn't prove title. Provincially administered. 3" bow numbers start
                with ON in Ontario.

                When licensing came about, registration became renewable every 3 years, with
                fairly significant fees, $150 for 3 year renewal I think.

                Ramlin' Rod
                s/v SeaQuell and Silhouette
                Mac 26D and Doglas 32


                -----Original Message-----
                From: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                [mailto:bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Norbert
                Sent: November 1, 2008 02:34 PM
                To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!


                There is only ONE "Wind-Borne" listed in the Registry, and Quebec
                owners too, but it is listed as being build by CS. A Bayfield with
                that name is not shown, even with an expired registry.

                Btw, I was not aware that the registration expires after 3 yrs. Is that
                news to someone else too? I can not see any expiry date in my
                Registration papers. The cost is $ 50.00 to renew the registration, and
                a note in the Registrar website says:

                "Anyone operating a vessel with an invalid document is in contravention
                of the Canada Shipping Act and liable to prosecution".

                This is all somewhat confusing, cause I had my boat 10 yrs now, but
                it's registration only expired in march of this year, yet its supposed
                to be valid for 3 yrs. only.(???)

                Any comments?

                Thanks, Norbert
                ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

                --- In bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com, "Ben Davidson" <bennyd10@...>
                wrote:
                >
                > I am writing to introduce ourselves and fish for any history on our
                new
                > Boat. It is a Bayfield 36, green stripes on white. My wife Kristen
                > and I have purchased Wind-Borne in Oriental, NC and are currently on
                > the hard, working hard. We intend to head south in a few weeks and
                > visit the Bahamas if not further. The last owner was Luc Picard(real
                > name, not captain of the enterprise) from Quebec. He only owned it a
                > year though. Before that it had a hailing port of Key West and some
                > owners that fit it out for extended cruising.
                > We wanted to say Hi to all the other owners and would love to hear
                any
                > history that anyone knows of this boat. This is not Wind-Borne III
                > that has a website either...
                > Thanks!
                > Ben and Kristen Davidson
                >






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              • jimball
                We just registered our B-29 Elizabeth Bennet in Victoria B.C. We were told that the registration was renewed every three years but at no cost. Also since the
                Message 7 of 25 , Nov 1, 2008
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                  We just registered our B-29 Elizabeth Bennet in Victoria B.C. We were
                  told that the registration was renewed every three years but at no cost.
                  Also since the boat was now registered, all that was required on the
                  bow, and in our case the stern as well was the name. If the boat is
                  only licenced then those numbers must appear on the bow. We registered
                  her in Sept. of this year.

                  Jim
                  B-29
                  Victoria B.C.

                  -----Original Message-----
                  From: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                  [mailto:bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rod or Ondine
                  Brandon
                  Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:08 PM
                  To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: RE: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!

                  Rules changed about 6 years ago.

                  Previously, when a boat was federally registered at a given port (I
                  believe
                  Toronto was 50) the registration was good for life. The boat had 3 inch
                  numbers at the bow on each side starting with the registration port ID
                  number. Registration proved title.

                  6 years ago this all changed. Licensing was introduded. No cost. Good
                  for
                  life. Doesn't prove title. Provincially administered. 3" bow numbers
                  start
                  with ON in Ontario.

                  When licensing came about, registration became renewable every 3 years,
                  with
                  fairly significant fees, $150 for 3 year renewal I think.

                  Ramlin' Rod
                  s/v SeaQuell and Silhouette
                  Mac 26D and Doglas 32

                  -----Original Message-----
                  From: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                  yahoogroups.com
                  [mailto:bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                  yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Norbert
                  Sent: November 1, 2008 02:34 PM
                  To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                  yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!

                  There is only ONE "Wind-Borne" listed in the Registry, and Quebec
                  owners too, but it is listed as being build by CS. A Bayfield with
                  that name is not shown, even with an expired registry.

                  Btw, I was not aware that the registration expires after 3 yrs. Is that
                  news to someone else too? I can not see any expiry date in my
                  Registration papers. The cost is $ 50.00 to renew the registration, and
                  a note in the Registrar website says:

                  "Anyone operating a vessel with an invalid document is in contravention
                  of the Canada Shipping Act and liable to prosecution".

                  This is all somewhat confusing, cause I had my boat 10 yrs now, but
                  it's registration only expired in march of this year, yet its supposed
                  to be valid for 3 yrs. only.(???)

                  Any comments?

                  Thanks, Norbert
                  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

                  --- In bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                  yahoogroups.com, "Ben Davidson" <bennyd10@...>
                  wrote:
                  >
                  > I am writing to introduce ourselves and fish for any history on our
                  new
                  > Boat. It is a Bayfield 36, green stripes on white. My wife Kristen
                  > and I have purchased Wind-Borne in Oriental, NC and are currently on
                  > the hard, working hard. We intend to head south in a few weeks and
                  > visit the Bahamas if not further. The last owner was Luc Picard(real
                  > name, not captain of the enterprise) from Quebec. He only owned it a
                  > year though. Before that it had a hailing port of Key West and some
                  > owners that fit it out for extended cruising.
                  > We wanted to say Hi to all the other owners and would love to hear
                  any
                  > history that anyone knows of this boat. This is not Wind-Borne III
                  > that has a website either...
                  > Thanks!
                  > Ben and Kristen Davidson
                  >

                  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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                • dave
                  I didn t think it was possible to egiste a vessel under 30 in length. Dave Wind Rose ll ... From: jimball Subject: RE: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne
                  Message 8 of 25 , Nov 1, 2008
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                    I didn't think it was possible to egiste a vessel under 30' in length.
                    Dave
                    Wind Rose ll

                    --- On Sat, 11/1/08, jimball <jkball@...> wrote:

                    From: jimball <jkball@...>
                    Subject: RE: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!
                    To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                    Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 3:55 PM






                    We just registered our B-29 Elizabeth Bennet in Victoria B.C. We were
                    told that the registration was renewed every three years but at no cost.
                    Also since the boat was now registered, all that was required on the
                    bow, and in our case the stern as well was the name. If the boat is
                    only licenced then those numbers must appear on the bow. We registered
                    her in Sept. of this year.

                    Jim
                    B-29
                    Victoria B.C.

                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: bayfieldyachts@ yahoogroups. com
                    [mailto:bayfieldyachts@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Rod or Ondine
                    Brandon
                    Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:08 PM
                    To: bayfieldyachts@ yahoogroups. com
                    Subject: RE: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!

                    Rules changed about 6 years ago.

                    Previously, when a boat was federally registered at a given port (I
                    believe
                    Toronto was 50) the registration was good for life. The boat had 3 inch
                    numbers at the bow on each side starting with the registration port ID
                    number. Registration proved title.

                    6 years ago this all changed. Licensing was introduded. No cost. Good
                    for
                    life. Doesn't prove title. Provincially administered. 3" bow numbers
                    start
                    with ON in Ontario.

                    When licensing came about, registration became renewable every 3 years,
                    with
                    fairly significant fees, $150 for 3 year renewal I think.

                    Ramlin' Rod
                    s/v SeaQuell and Silhouette
                    Mac 26D and Doglas 32

                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyac hts%40yahoogroup s.com>
                    yahoogroups. com
                    [mailto:bayfieldyac hts@ <mailto:bayfieldyac hts%40yahoogroup s.com>
                    yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Norbert
                    Sent: November 1, 2008 02:34 PM
                    To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyac hts%40yahoogroup s.com>
                    yahoogroups. com
                    Subject: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!

                    There is only ONE "Wind-Borne" listed in the Registry, and Quebec
                    owners too, but it is listed as being build by CS. A Bayfield with
                    that name is not shown, even with an expired registry.

                    Btw, I was not aware that the registration expires after 3 yrs. Is that
                    news to someone else too? I can not see any expiry date in my
                    Registration papers. The cost is $ 50.00 to renew the registration, and
                    a note in the Registrar website says:

                    "Anyone operating a vessel with an invalid document is in contravention
                    of the Canada Shipping Act and liable to prosecution" .

                    This is all somewhat confusing, cause I had my boat 10 yrs now, but
                    it's registration only expired in march of this year, yet its supposed
                    to be valid for 3 yrs. only.(???)

                    Any comments?

                    Thanks, Norbert
                    ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~

                    --- In bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyac hts%40yahoogroup s.com>
                    yahoogroups. com, "Ben Davidson" <bennyd10@.. .>
                    wrote:
                    >
                    > I am writing to introduce ourselves and fish for any history on our
                    new
                    > Boat. It is a Bayfield 36, green stripes on white. My wife Kristen
                    > and I have purchased Wind-Borne in Oriental, NC and are currently on
                    > the hard, working hard. We intend to head south in a few weeks and
                    > visit the Bahamas if not further. The last owner was Luc Picard(real
                    > name, not captain of the enterprise) from Quebec. He only owned it a
                    > year though. Before that it had a hailing port of Key West and some
                    > owners that fit it out for extended cruising.
                    > We wanted to say Hi to all the other owners and would love to hear
                    any
                    > history that anyone knows of this boat. This is not Wind-Borne III
                    > that has a website either...
                    > Thanks!
                    > Ben and Kristen Davidson
                    >

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                  • JD Jamieson
                    OK. Was trying to think of a way to state this less bluntly but didn t come up with a satisfactory solution. Unfortunately most of Rod s post is
                    Message 9 of 25 , Nov 1, 2008
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                      OK. Was trying to think of a way to state this less bluntly but didn't come up with a satisfactory solution. Unfortunately most of Rod's post is misinformation.

                      The rules for registration have been in effect since Confederation and have not changed. Registered vessels are still registered under the Canada Shipping Act. They are given an official number O.N. which is to be carved in the main beam of the vessel (try to find one of those on a Bayfield). Most of us with registered vessels affix a plaque with the O.N. on it to the forward bulkhead. The name of the vessel is also to be placed on the bows and the stern (along with the port of registry). Registering a vessel also proves title and allows you to have a mortgage on the vessel. This and the US federal documentation system are similar and are used for both commercial and pleasure craft (down to a specified minimum size),

                      Licensed vessels are administered by Canada Customs (and that goes back a long way - I licensed my first boat in 1960 (in Oakville which was 54E at the time and the system was in effect long before this - Toronto was 50E, Hamilton was 18E, Parry Sound was 35E etc - I know I have licensed boats in all of them). The licenses were and are still issued provincially, only the numbering and application system has changed which is what may have confused Rod. The new system has been introduced to conform with the US state license system and begins with the first two letters of the provincial abbreviation ie. ON for Ontario. This number is to be placed on both bows of the vessel. Licensing a vessel does not prove title nor does it allow you to have a mortgage on the vessel.

                      As I said in my previous post, my registration has been renewed twice without a fee.

                      Hope this helps

                      John


                      From: Rod or Ondine Brandon
                      Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:08 PM
                      To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: RE: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!


                      Rules changed about 6 years ago.

                      Previously, when a boat was federally registered at a given port (I believe
                      Toronto was 50) the registration was good for life. The boat had 3 inch
                      numbers at the bow on each side starting with the registration port ID
                      number. Registration proved title.

                      6 years ago this all changed. Licensing was introduded. No cost. Good for
                      life. Doesn't prove title. Provincially administered. 3" bow numbers start
                      with ON in Ontario.

                      When licensing came about, registration became renewable every 3 years, with
                      fairly significant fees, $150 for 3 year renewal I think.

                      Ramlin' Rod
                      s/v SeaQuell and Silhouette
                      Mac 26D and Doglas 32

                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                      [mailto:bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Norbert
                      Sent: November 1, 2008 02:34 PM
                      To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!

                      There is only ONE "Wind-Borne" listed in the Registry, and Quebec
                      owners too, but it is listed as being build by CS. A Bayfield with
                      that name is not shown, even with an expired registry.

                      Btw, I was not aware that the registration expires after 3 yrs. Is that
                      news to someone else too? I can not see any expiry date in my
                      Registration papers. The cost is $ 50.00 to renew the registration, and
                      a note in the Registrar website says:

                      "Anyone operating a vessel with an invalid document is in contravention
                      of the Canada Shipping Act and liable to prosecution".

                      This is all somewhat confusing, cause I had my boat 10 yrs now, but
                      it's registration only expired in march of this year, yet its supposed
                      to be valid for 3 yrs. only.(???)

                      Any comments?

                      Thanks, Norbert
                      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

                      --- In bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com, "Ben Davidson" <bennyd10@...>
                      wrote:
                      >
                      > I am writing to introduce ourselves and fish for any history on our
                      new
                      > Boat. It is a Bayfield 36, green stripes on white. My wife Kristen
                      > and I have purchased Wind-Borne in Oriental, NC and are currently on
                      > the hard, working hard. We intend to head south in a few weeks and
                      > visit the Bahamas if not further. The last owner was Luc Picard(real
                      > name, not captain of the enterprise) from Quebec. He only owned it a
                      > year though. Before that it had a hailing port of Key West and some
                      > owners that fit it out for extended cruising.
                      > We wanted to say Hi to all the other owners and would love to hear
                      any
                      > history that anyone knows of this boat. This is not Wind-Borne III
                      > that has a website either...
                      > Thanks!
                      > Ben and Kristen Davidson
                      >

                      [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





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                    • JD Jamieson
                      Dave That used to be the case but I can t see anything that states that in current regulations Norbert. The fee schedule doesn t say anything about renewal -
                      Message 10 of 25 , Nov 1, 2008
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                        Dave

                        That used to be the case but I can't see anything that states that in current regulations

                        Norbert. The fee schedule doesn't say anything about renewal - just reinstatement which costs $50. That has to be done if you have taken it off the register for some reason.

                        John


                        From: dave
                        Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:58 PM
                        To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: RE: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!


                        I didn't think it was possible to egiste a vessel under 30' in length.
                        Dave
                        Wind Rose ll

                        --- On Sat, 11/1/08, jimball <jkball@...> wrote:

                        From: jimball <jkball@...>
                        Subject: RE: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!
                        To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                        Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 3:55 PM

                        We just registered our B-29 Elizabeth Bennet in Victoria B.C. We were
                        told that the registration was renewed every three years but at no cost.
                        Also since the boat was now registered, all that was required on the
                        bow, and in our case the stern as well was the name. If the boat is
                        only licenced then those numbers must appear on the bow. We registered
                        her in Sept. of this year.

                        Jim
                        B-29
                        Victoria B.C.

                        -----Original Message-----
                        From: bayfieldyachts@ yahoogroups. com
                        [mailto:bayfieldyachts@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Rod or Ondine
                        Brandon
                        Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:08 PM
                        To: bayfieldyachts@ yahoogroups. com
                        Subject: RE: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!

                        Rules changed about 6 years ago.

                        Previously, when a boat was federally registered at a given port (I
                        believe
                        Toronto was 50) the registration was good for life. The boat had 3 inch
                        numbers at the bow on each side starting with the registration port ID
                        number. Registration proved title.

                        6 years ago this all changed. Licensing was introduded. No cost. Good
                        for
                        life. Doesn't prove title. Provincially administered. 3" bow numbers
                        start
                        with ON in Ontario.

                        When licensing came about, registration became renewable every 3 years,
                        with
                        fairly significant fees, $150 for 3 year renewal I think.

                        Ramlin' Rod
                        s/v SeaQuell and Silhouette
                        Mac 26D and Doglas 32

                        -----Original Message-----
                        From: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyac hts%40yahoogroup s.com>
                        yahoogroups. com
                        [mailto:bayfieldyac hts@ <mailto:bayfieldyac hts%40yahoogroup s.com>
                        yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Norbert
                        Sent: November 1, 2008 02:34 PM
                        To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyac hts%40yahoogroup s.com>
                        yahoogroups. com
                        Subject: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!

                        There is only ONE "Wind-Borne" listed in the Registry, and Quebec
                        owners too, but it is listed as being build by CS. A Bayfield with
                        that name is not shown, even with an expired registry.

                        Btw, I was not aware that the registration expires after 3 yrs. Is that
                        news to someone else too? I can not see any expiry date in my
                        Registration papers. The cost is $ 50.00 to renew the registration, and
                        a note in the Registrar website says:

                        "Anyone operating a vessel with an invalid document is in contravention
                        of the Canada Shipping Act and liable to prosecution" .

                        This is all somewhat confusing, cause I had my boat 10 yrs now, but
                        it's registration only expired in march of this year, yet its supposed
                        to be valid for 3 yrs. only.(???)

                        Any comments?

                        Thanks, Norbert
                        ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~

                        --- In bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyac hts%40yahoogroup s.com>
                        yahoogroups. com, "Ben Davidson" <bennyd10@.. .>
                        wrote:
                        >
                        > I am writing to introduce ourselves and fish for any history on our
                        new
                        > Boat. It is a Bayfield 36, green stripes on white. My wife Kristen
                        > and I have purchased Wind-Borne in Oriental, NC and are currently on
                        > the hard, working hard. We intend to head south in a few weeks and
                        > visit the Bahamas if not further. The last owner was Luc Picard(real
                        > name, not captain of the enterprise) from Quebec. He only owned it a
                        > year though. Before that it had a hailing port of Key West and some
                        > owners that fit it out for extended cruising.
                        > We wanted to say Hi to all the other owners and would love to hear
                        any
                        > history that anyone knows of this boat. This is not Wind-Borne III
                        > that has a website either...
                        > Thanks!
                        > Ben and Kristen Davidson
                        >

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                      • Norbert
                        Ok, thanks for the info. Will call them on monday as I never received the renewal form - guess I been moving too many times, lol. Norbert ... in current
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                          Ok, thanks for the info. Will call them on monday as I never received
                          the renewal form - guess I been moving too many times, lol.

                          Norbert
                          ~~~~~~~



                          --- In bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com, "JD Jamieson" <jdjamieson@...>
                          wrote:
                          >
                          > Dave
                          >
                          > That used to be the case but I can't see anything that states that
                          in current regulations
                          >
                          > Norbert. The fee schedule doesn't say anything about renewal -
                          just reinstatement which costs $50. That has to be done if you have
                          taken it off the register for some reason.
                          >
                          > John
                          >
                          >
                          > From: dave
                          > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:58 PM
                          > To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                          > Subject: RE: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!
                          >
                          >
                          > I didn't think it was possible to egiste a vessel under 30' in
                          length.
                          > Dave
                          > Wind Rose ll
                          >
                          > --- On Sat, 11/1/08, jimball <jkball@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > From: jimball <jkball@...>
                          > Subject: RE: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!
                          > To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                          > Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 3:55 PM
                          >
                          > We just registered our B-29 Elizabeth Bennet in Victoria B.C. We
                          were
                          > told that the registration was renewed every three years but at no
                          cost.
                          > Also since the boat was now registered, all that was required on the
                          > bow, and in our case the stern as well was the name. If the boat is
                          > only licenced then those numbers must appear on the bow. We
                          registered
                          > her in Sept. of this year.
                          >
                          > Jim
                          > B-29
                          > Victoria B.C.
                          >
                          > -----Original Message-----
                          > From: bayfieldyachts@ yahoogroups. com
                          > [mailto:bayfieldyachts@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Rod or Ondine
                          > Brandon
                          > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:08 PM
                          > To: bayfieldyachts@ yahoogroups. com
                          > Subject: RE: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!
                          >
                          > Rules changed about 6 years ago.
                          >
                          > Previously, when a boat was federally registered at a given port (I
                          > believe
                          > Toronto was 50) the registration was good for life. The boat had 3
                          inch
                          > numbers at the bow on each side starting with the registration port
                          ID
                          > number. Registration proved title.
                          >
                          > 6 years ago this all changed. Licensing was introduded. No cost.
                          Good
                          > for
                          > life. Doesn't prove title. Provincially administered. 3" bow numbers
                          > start
                          > with ON in Ontario.
                          >
                          > When licensing came about, registration became renewable every 3
                          years,
                          > with
                          > fairly significant fees, $150 for 3 year renewal I think.
                          >
                          > Ramlin' Rod
                          > s/v SeaQuell and Silhouette
                          > Mac 26D and Doglas 32
                          >
                          > -----Original Message-----
                          > From: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyac hts%40yahoogroup s.com>
                          > yahoogroups. com
                          > [mailto:bayfieldyac hts@ <mailto:bayfieldyac hts%40yahoogroup s.com>
                          > yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Norbert
                          > Sent: November 1, 2008 02:34 PM
                          > To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyac hts%40yahoogroup s.com>
                          > yahoogroups. com
                          > Subject: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!
                          >
                          > There is only ONE "Wind-Borne" listed in the Registry, and Quebec
                          > owners too, but it is listed as being build by CS. A Bayfield with
                          > that name is not shown, even with an expired registry.
                          >
                          > Btw, I was not aware that the registration expires after 3 yrs. Is
                          that
                          > news to someone else too? I can not see any expiry date in my
                          > Registration papers. The cost is $ 50.00 to renew the registration,
                          and
                          > a note in the Registrar website says:
                          >
                          > "Anyone operating a vessel with an invalid document is in
                          contravention
                          > of the Canada Shipping Act and liable to prosecution" .
                          >
                          > This is all somewhat confusing, cause I had my boat 10 yrs now, but
                          > it's registration only expired in march of this year, yet its
                          supposed
                          > to be valid for 3 yrs. only.(???)
                          >
                          > Any comments?
                          >
                          > Thanks, Norbert
                          > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~
                          >
                          > --- In bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyac hts%40yahoogroup s.com>
                          > yahoogroups. com, "Ben Davidson" <bennyd10@ .>
                          > wrote:
                          > >
                          > > I am writing to introduce ourselves and fish for any history on
                          our
                          > new
                          > > Boat. It is a Bayfield 36, green stripes on white. My wife Kristen
                          > > and I have purchased Wind-Borne in Oriental, NC and are currently
                          on
                          > > the hard, working hard. We intend to head south in a few weeks and
                          > > visit the Bahamas if not further. The last owner was Luc Picard
                          (real
                          > > name, not captain of the enterprise) from Quebec. He only owned
                          it a
                          > > year though. Before that it had a hailing port of Key West and
                          some
                          > > owners that fit it out for extended cruising.
                          > > We wanted to say Hi to all the other owners and would love to hear
                          > any
                          > > history that anyone knows of this boat. This is not Wind-Borne III
                          > > that has a website either...
                          > > Thanks!
                          > > Ben and Kristen Davidson
                          > >
                          >
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                        • JD Jamieson
                          Have the same problem - but a moving target is harder to hit. You are supposed to send them address changes every time you do it though. Looks like they
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                            Have the same problem - but a moving target is harder to hit. You are supposed to send them address changes every time you do it though. Looks like they start the 3 year countdown again every time you tell them you have moved.


                            From: Norbert
                            Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:14 PM
                            To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!


                            Ok, thanks for the info. Will call them on monday as I never received
                            the renewal form - guess I been moving too many times, lol.

                            Norbert
                            ~~~~~~~

                            --- In bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com, "JD Jamieson" <jdjamieson@...>
                            wrote:
                            >
                            > Dave
                            >
                            > That used to be the case but I can't see anything that states that
                            in current regulations
                            >
                            > Norbert. The fee schedule doesn't say anything about renewal -
                            just reinstatement which costs $50. That has to be done if you have
                            taken it off the register for some reason.
                            >
                            > John
                            >
                            >
                            > From: dave
                            > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:58 PM
                            > To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                            > Subject: RE: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!
                            >
                            >
                            > I didn't think it was possible to egiste a vessel under 30' in
                            length.
                            > Dave
                            > Wind Rose ll
                            >
                            > --- On Sat, 11/1/08, jimball <jkball@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > From: jimball <jkball@...>
                            > Subject: RE: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!
                            > To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                            > Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 3:55 PM
                            >
                            > We just registered our B-29 Elizabeth Bennet in Victoria B.C. We
                            were
                            > told that the registration was renewed every three years but at no
                            cost.
                            > Also since the boat was now registered, all that was required on the
                            > bow, and in our case the stern as well was the name. If the boat is
                            > only licenced then those numbers must appear on the bow. We
                            registered
                            > her in Sept. of this year.
                            >
                            > Jim
                            > B-29
                            > Victoria B.C.
                            >
                            > -----Original Message-----
                            > From: bayfieldyachts@ yahoogroups. com
                            > [mailto:bayfieldyachts@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Rod or Ondine
                            > Brandon
                            > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:08 PM
                            > To: bayfieldyachts@ yahoogroups. com
                            > Subject: RE: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!
                            >
                            > Rules changed about 6 years ago.
                            >
                            > Previously, when a boat was federally registered at a given port (I
                            > believe
                            > Toronto was 50) the registration was good for life. The boat had 3
                            inch
                            > numbers at the bow on each side starting with the registration port
                            ID
                            > number. Registration proved title.
                            >
                            > 6 years ago this all changed. Licensing was introduded. No cost.
                            Good
                            > for
                            > life. Doesn't prove title. Provincially administered. 3" bow numbers
                            > start
                            > with ON in Ontario.
                            >
                            > When licensing came about, registration became renewable every 3
                            years,
                            > with
                            > fairly significant fees, $150 for 3 year renewal I think.
                            >
                            > Ramlin' Rod
                            > s/v SeaQuell and Silhouette
                            > Mac 26D and Doglas 32
                            >
                            > -----Original Message-----
                            > From: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyac hts%40yahoogroup s.com>
                            > yahoogroups. com
                            > [mailto:bayfieldyac hts@ <mailto:bayfieldyac hts%40yahoogroup s.com>
                            > yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Norbert
                            > Sent: November 1, 2008 02:34 PM
                            > To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyac hts%40yahoogroup s.com>
                            > yahoogroups. com
                            > Subject: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!
                            >
                            > There is only ONE "Wind-Borne" listed in the Registry, and Quebec
                            > owners too, but it is listed as being build by CS. A Bayfield with
                            > that name is not shown, even with an expired registry.
                            >
                            > Btw, I was not aware that the registration expires after 3 yrs. Is
                            that
                            > news to someone else too? I can not see any expiry date in my
                            > Registration papers. The cost is $ 50.00 to renew the registration,
                            and
                            > a note in the Registrar website says:
                            >
                            > "Anyone operating a vessel with an invalid document is in
                            contravention
                            > of the Canada Shipping Act and liable to prosecution" .
                            >
                            > This is all somewhat confusing, cause I had my boat 10 yrs now, but
                            > it's registration only expired in march of this year, yet its
                            supposed
                            > to be valid for 3 yrs. only.(???)
                            >
                            > Any comments?
                            >
                            > Thanks, Norbert
                            > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~
                            >
                            > --- In bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyac hts%40yahoogroup s.com>
                            > yahoogroups. com, "Ben Davidson" <bennyd10@ .>
                            > wrote:
                            > >
                            > > I am writing to introduce ourselves and fish for any history on
                            our
                            > new
                            > > Boat. It is a Bayfield 36, green stripes on white. My wife Kristen
                            > > and I have purchased Wind-Borne in Oriental, NC and are currently
                            on
                            > > the hard, working hard. We intend to head south in a few weeks and
                            > > visit the Bahamas if not further. The last owner was Luc Picard
                            (real
                            > > name, not captain of the enterprise) from Quebec. He only owned
                            it a
                            > > year though. Before that it had a hailing port of Key West and
                            some
                            > > owners that fit it out for extended cruising.
                            > > We wanted to say Hi to all the other owners and would love to hear
                            > any
                            > > history that anyone knows of this boat. This is not Wind-Borne III
                            > > that has a website either...
                            > > Thanks!
                            > > Ben and Kristen Davidson
                            > >
                            >
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                          • On the Sloop elan
                            The B-29 I have in Freeport, Bahamas is Registered (Federally) in Canada and has been for years. To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.comFrom:
                            Message 13 of 25 , Nov 2, 2008
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                              The B-29 I have in Freeport, Bahamas is Registered (Federally) in Canada and has been for years.

                              To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.comFrom: wind_rose_2@...: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:58:43 -0700Subject: RE: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!



                              I didn't think it was possible to egiste a vessel under 30' in length.DaveWind Rose ll--- On Sat, 11/1/08, jimball <jkball@...> wrote:From: jimball <jkball@...>Subject: RE: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.comDate: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 3:55 PMWe just registered our B-29 Elizabeth Bennet in Victoria B.C. We weretold that the registration was renewed every three years but at no cost.Also since the boat was now registered, all that was required on thebow, and in our case the stern as well was the name. If the boat isonly licenced then those numbers must appear on the bow. We registeredher in Sept. of this year.JimB-29Victoria B.C.-----Original Message-----From: bayfieldyachts@ yahoogroups. com[mailto:bayfieldyachts@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Rod or OndineBrandonSent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:08 PMTo: bayfieldyachts@ yahoogroups. comSubject: RE: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!Rules changed about 6 years ago.Previously, when a boat was federally registered at a given port (IbelieveToronto was 50) the registration was good for life. The boat had 3 inchnumbers at the bow on each side starting with the registration port IDnumber. Registration proved title.6 years ago this all changed. Licensing was introduded. No cost. Goodforlife. Doesn't prove title. Provincially administered. 3" bow numbersstartwith ON in Ontario.When licensing came about, registration became renewable every 3 years,withfairly significant fees, $150 for 3 year renewal I think.Ramlin' Rods/v SeaQuell and SilhouetteMac 26D and Doglas 32-----Original Message-----From: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyac hts%40yahoogroup s.com>yahoogroups. com[mailto:bayfieldyac hts@ <mailto:bayfieldyac hts%40yahoogroup s.com>yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of NorbertSent: November 1, 2008 02:34 PMTo: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyac hts%40yahoogroup s.com>yahoogroups. comSubject: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!There is only ONE "Wind-Borne" listed in the Registry, and Quebecowners too, but it is listed as being build by CS. A Bayfield withthat name is not shown, even with an expired registry.Btw, I was not aware that the registration expires after 3 yrs. Is thatnews to someone else too? I can not see any expiry date in myRegistration papers. The cost is $ 50.00 to renew the registration, anda note in the Registrar website says:"Anyone operating a vessel with an invalid document is in contraventionof the Canada Shipping Act and liable to prosecution" .This is all somewhat confusing, cause I had my boat 10 yrs now, butit's registration only expired in march of this year, yet its supposedto be valid for 3 yrs. only.(???)Any comments?Thanks, Norbert~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~--- In bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyac hts%40yahoogroup s.com>yahoogroups. com, "Ben Davidson" <bennyd10@.. .>wrote:>> I am writing to introduce ourselves and fish for any history on ournew> Boat. It is a Bayfield 36, green stripes on white. My wife Kristen> and I have purchased Wind-Borne in Oriental, NC and are currently on> the hard, working hard. We intend to head south in a few weeks and> visit the Bahamas if not further. The last owner was Luc Picard(real> name, not captain of the enterprise) from Quebec. He only owned it a> year though. Before that it had a hailing port of Key West and some> owners that fit it out for extended cruising.> We wanted to say Hi to all the other owners and would love to hearany> history that anyone knows of this boat. This is not Wind-Borne III> that has a website either...> Thanks!> Ben and Kristen Davidson>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





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                            • Rod or Ondine Brandon
                              If one gets a vessel registered on the commercial registry, (so as to prove title and hold a mortgage), the iniital fee is quite steep ($250), and changes to
                              Message 14 of 25 , Nov 2, 2008
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                                If one gets a vessel registered on the commercial registry, (so as to prove
                                title and hold a mortgage), the iniital fee is quite steep ($250), and
                                changes to the registration are also a costly. Renewal every 3 years is
                                free.

                                Else if vessel is under 15 tons, to prove title but without mortgage, it may
                                be done via the small boat registry, requiring renewal every 5 years for
                                $50.

                                Else if it's a pleasure vessel, and neither mortgage nor title proof is
                                required, it may be licensed, no charge, no renewal.

                                Best Regards,
                                Ramblin Rod

                                -----Original Message-----
                                From: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                [mailto:bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of JD Jamieson
                                Sent: November 1, 2008 07:32 PM
                                To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: Re: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!


                                OK. Was trying to think of a way to state this less bluntly but didn't
                                come up with a satisfactory solution. Unfortunately most of Rod's post is
                                misinformation.

                                The rules for registration have been in effect since Confederation and
                                have not changed. Registered vessels are still registered under the Canada
                                Shipping Act. They are given an official number O.N. which is to be carved
                                in the main beam of the vessel (try to find one of those on a Bayfield).
                                Most of us with registered vessels affix a plaque with the O.N. on it to the
                                forward bulkhead. The name of the vessel is also to be placed on the bows
                                and the stern (along with the port of registry). Registering a vessel also
                                proves title and allows you to have a mortgage on the vessel. This and the
                                US federal documentation system are similar and are used for both commercial
                                and pleasure craft (down to a specified minimum size),

                                Licensed vessels are administered by Canada Customs (and that goes back a
                                long way - I licensed my first boat in 1960 (in Oakville which was 54E at
                                the time and the system was in effect long before this - Toronto was 50E,
                                Hamilton was 18E, Parry Sound was 35E etc - I know I have licensed boats in
                                all of them). The licenses were and are still issued provincially, only the
                                numbering and application system has changed which is what may have confused
                                Rod. The new system has been introduced to conform with the US state license
                                system and begins with the first two letters of the provincial abbreviation
                                ie. ON for Ontario. This number is to be placed on both bows of the vessel.
                                Licensing a vessel does not prove title nor does it allow you to have a
                                mortgage on the vessel.

                                As I said in my previous post, my registration has been renewed twice
                                without a fee.

                                Hope this helps

                                John

                                From: Rod or Ondine Brandon
                                Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:08 PM
                                To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: RE: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!

                                Rules changed about 6 years ago.

                                Previously, when a boat was federally registered at a given port (I
                                believe
                                Toronto was 50) the registration was good for life. The boat had 3 inch
                                numbers at the bow on each side starting with the registration port ID
                                number. Registration proved title.

                                6 years ago this all changed. Licensing was introduded. No cost. Good for
                                life. Doesn't prove title. Provincially administered. 3" bow numbers start
                                with ON in Ontario.

                                When licensing came about, registration became renewable every 3 years,
                                with
                                fairly significant fees, $150 for 3 year renewal I think.

                                Ramlin' Rod
                                s/v SeaQuell and Silhouette
                                Mac 26D and Doglas 32

                                -----Original Message-----
                                From: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                [mailto:bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Norbert
                                Sent: November 1, 2008 02:34 PM
                                To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!

                                There is only ONE "Wind-Borne" listed in the Registry, and Quebec
                                owners too, but it is listed as being build by CS. A Bayfield with
                                that name is not shown, even with an expired registry.

                                Btw, I was not aware that the registration expires after 3 yrs. Is that
                                news to someone else too? I can not see any expiry date in my
                                Registration papers. The cost is $ 50.00 to renew the registration, and
                                a note in the Registrar website says:

                                "Anyone operating a vessel with an invalid document is in contravention
                                of the Canada Shipping Act and liable to prosecution".

                                This is all somewhat confusing, cause I had my boat 10 yrs now, but
                                it's registration only expired in march of this year, yet its supposed
                                to be valid for 3 yrs. only.(???)

                                Any comments?

                                Thanks, Norbert
                                ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

                                --- In bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com, "Ben Davidson" <bennyd10@...>
                                wrote:
                                >
                                > I am writing to introduce ourselves and fish for any history on our
                                new
                                > Boat. It is a Bayfield 36, green stripes on white. My wife Kristen
                                > and I have purchased Wind-Borne in Oriental, NC and are currently on
                                > the hard, working hard. We intend to head south in a few weeks and
                                > visit the Bahamas if not further. The last owner was Luc Picard(real
                                > name, not captain of the enterprise) from Quebec. He only owned it a
                                > year though. Before that it had a hailing port of Key West and some
                                > owners that fit it out for extended cruising.
                                > We wanted to say Hi to all the other owners and would love to hear
                                any
                                > history that anyone knows of this boat. This is not Wind-Borne III
                                > that has a website either...
                                > Thanks!
                                > Ben and Kristen Davidson
                                >

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                              • JD Jamieson
                                Rod Normally pleasure craft owners who register their vessels only change registration on the sale of a vessel and cost $150 for the new owner to re-register.
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                                  Rod

                                  Normally pleasure craft owners who register their vessels only change registration on the sale of a vessel and cost $150 for the new owner to re-register. Otherwise there is just the initial registration fee and nothing else. The system which you call the Commercial Registry is mandatory for commercial vessels not on the small vessel registry and voluntary for pleasure vessels. From my reading of the regulations, the small vessel registry is for commercial vessels only and normally would not apply to a Bayfield.

                                  John


                                  From: Rod or Ondine Brandon
                                  Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:22 AM
                                  To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: [BYOR] Registration / Licensing


                                  If one gets a vessel registered on the commercial registry, (so as to prove
                                  title and hold a mortgage), the iniital fee is quite steep ($250), and
                                  changes to the registration are also a costly. Renewal every 3 years is
                                  free.

                                  Else if vessel is under 15 tons, to prove title but without mortgage, it may
                                  be done via the small boat registry, requiring renewal every 5 years for
                                  $50.

                                  Else if it's a pleasure vessel, and neither mortgage nor title proof is
                                  required, it may be licensed, no charge, no renewal.

                                  Best Regards,
                                  Ramblin Rod

                                  -----Original Message-----
                                  From: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                  [mailto:bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of JD Jamieson
                                  Sent: November 1, 2008 07:32 PM
                                  To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: Re: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!

                                  OK. Was trying to think of a way to state this less bluntly but didn't
                                  come up with a satisfactory solution. Unfortunately most of Rod's post is
                                  misinformation.

                                  The rules for registration have been in effect since Confederation and
                                  have not changed. Registered vessels are still registered under the Canada
                                  Shipping Act. They are given an official number O.N. which is to be carved
                                  in the main beam of the vessel (try to find one of those on a Bayfield).
                                  Most of us with registered vessels affix a plaque with the O.N. on it to the
                                  forward bulkhead. The name of the vessel is also to be placed on the bows
                                  and the stern (along with the port of registry). Registering a vessel also
                                  proves title and allows you to have a mortgage on the vessel. This and the
                                  US federal documentation system are similar and are used for both commercial
                                  and pleasure craft (down to a specified minimum size),

                                  Licensed vessels are administered by Canada Customs (and that goes back a
                                  long way - I licensed my first boat in 1960 (in Oakville which was 54E at
                                  the time and the system was in effect long before this - Toronto was 50E,
                                  Hamilton was 18E, Parry Sound was 35E etc - I know I have licensed boats in
                                  all of them). The licenses were and are still issued provincially, only the
                                  numbering and application system has changed which is what may have confused
                                  Rod. The new system has been introduced to conform with the US state license
                                  system and begins with the first two letters of the provincial abbreviation
                                  ie. ON for Ontario. This number is to be placed on both bows of the vessel.
                                  Licensing a vessel does not prove title nor does it allow you to have a
                                  mortgage on the vessel.

                                  As I said in my previous post, my registration has been renewed twice
                                  without a fee.

                                  Hope this helps

                                  John

                                  From: Rod or Ondine Brandon
                                  Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:08 PM
                                  To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: RE: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!

                                  Rules changed about 6 years ago.

                                  Previously, when a boat was federally registered at a given port (I
                                  believe
                                  Toronto was 50) the registration was good for life. The boat had 3 inch
                                  numbers at the bow on each side starting with the registration port ID
                                  number. Registration proved title.

                                  6 years ago this all changed. Licensing was introduded. No cost. Good for
                                  life. Doesn't prove title. Provincially administered. 3" bow numbers start
                                  with ON in Ontario.

                                  When licensing came about, registration became renewable every 3 years,
                                  with
                                  fairly significant fees, $150 for 3 year renewal I think.

                                  Ramlin' Rod
                                  s/v SeaQuell and Silhouette
                                  Mac 26D and Doglas 32

                                  -----Original Message-----
                                  From: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                  [mailto:bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Norbert
                                  Sent: November 1, 2008 02:34 PM
                                  To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!

                                  There is only ONE "Wind-Borne" listed in the Registry, and Quebec
                                  owners too, but it is listed as being build by CS. A Bayfield with
                                  that name is not shown, even with an expired registry.

                                  Btw, I was not aware that the registration expires after 3 yrs. Is that
                                  news to someone else too? I can not see any expiry date in my
                                  Registration papers. The cost is $ 50.00 to renew the registration, and
                                  a note in the Registrar website says:

                                  "Anyone operating a vessel with an invalid document is in contravention
                                  of the Canada Shipping Act and liable to prosecution".

                                  This is all somewhat confusing, cause I had my boat 10 yrs now, but
                                  it's registration only expired in march of this year, yet its supposed
                                  to be valid for 3 yrs. only.(???)

                                  Any comments?

                                  Thanks, Norbert
                                  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

                                  --- In bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com, "Ben Davidson" <bennyd10@...>
                                  wrote:
                                  >
                                  > I am writing to introduce ourselves and fish for any history on our
                                  new
                                  > Boat. It is a Bayfield 36, green stripes on white. My wife Kristen
                                  > and I have purchased Wind-Borne in Oriental, NC and are currently on
                                  > the hard, working hard. We intend to head south in a few weeks and
                                  > visit the Bahamas if not further. The last owner was Luc Picard(real
                                  > name, not captain of the enterprise) from Quebec. He only owned it a
                                  > year though. Before that it had a hailing port of Key West and some
                                  > owners that fit it out for extended cruising.
                                  > We wanted to say Hi to all the other owners and would love to hear
                                  any
                                  > history that anyone knows of this boat. This is not Wind-Borne III
                                  > that has a website either...
                                  > Thanks!
                                  > Ben and Kristen Davidson
                                  >

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                                • Rod or Ondine Brandon
                                  This discussion thread has forced me to research the actual authorities rather than just shoot from memory (which seems to be more fallible for some reason as
                                  Message 16 of 25 , Nov 2, 2008
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                                    This discussion thread has forced me to research the actual authorities
                                    rather than just shoot from memory (which seems to be more fallible for some
                                    reason as years roll by). ;-)

                                    There are 3 different forms of valid vessel registration/licensing available
                                    in Canada. (No wonder this is confusing.)

                                    1. Registration of vessels. All commerical vessels over 15 tons and
                                    voluntary pleaure craft. Proves ownership, required for holding mortage.
                                    Most expensive initially, and lots of fees for changes in registration
                                    status.
                                    http://www.tc.gc.ca/acts-regulations/GENERAL/C/csa2001/regulations/001/0
                                    05/csa2001-5.htm

                                    2. Small vessel registry. All commerical vessels under 15 tons and voluntary
                                    pleasure craft. Proves ownership, no mortgage.
                                    Lower initial cost, but renewal fees apply.
                                    http://www.tc.gc.ca/marinesafety/CES/Small-Commercial-Vessels/Registrati
                                    on-Licensing.htm

                                    3. Pleasure craft licensing. All pleasure craft 10 HP and over, (hence
                                    propensity of 9.9s).
                                    Minimum required to go between Canada and US, or traverse the Trent
                                    Severn system (and possibly other locks). Seperate proof of ownership
                                    required.
                                    No cost, (except triggers payment of sales tax if not already paid, esp.
                                    on private sale).
                                    http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/en/sc/boats/pcl.shtml

                                    In Canada, small dinghies and tenders (powered 9.9 and under or non-powered)
                                    don't require registration or licensing. However, in some states in the US,
                                    registeration (which is about equal to Canadian licensingi) s required, even
                                    for unpowered small craft). If you head south from Canada, you are well
                                    advised to license your dinghy. We were pulled over in our inflatble in the
                                    Keys, because our license numbers (mounted on placards hung on the bow) had
                                    flipped over, and the marine patrol couldn't see our "registration numbers".

                                    Fair Winds,
                                    Ramblin' Rod

                                    -----Original Message-----
                                    From: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                    [mailto:bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of JD Jamieson
                                    Sent: November 2, 2008 10:13 AM
                                    To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                    Subject: Re: [BYOR] Registration / Licensing


                                    Rod

                                    Normally pleasure craft owners who register their vessels only change
                                    registration on the sale of a vessel and cost $150 for the new owner to
                                    re-register. Otherwise there is just the initial registration fee and
                                    nothing else. The system which you call the Commercial Registry is mandatory
                                    for commercial vessels not on the small vessel registry and voluntary for
                                    pleasure vessels. From my reading of the regulations, the small vessel
                                    registry is for commercial vessels only and normally would not apply to a
                                    Bayfield.

                                    John

                                    From: Rod or Ondine Brandon
                                    Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:22 AM
                                    To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                    Subject: [BYOR] Registration / Licensing

                                    If one gets a vessel registered on the commercial registry, (so as to
                                    prove
                                    title and hold a mortgage), the iniital fee is quite steep ($250), and
                                    changes to the registration are also a costly. Renewal every 3 years is
                                    free.

                                    Else if vessel is under 15 tons, to prove title but without mortgage, it
                                    may
                                    be done via the small boat registry, requiring renewal every 5 years for
                                    $50.

                                    Else if it's a pleasure vessel, and neither mortgage nor title proof is
                                    required, it may be licensed, no charge, no renewal.

                                    Best Regards,
                                    Ramblin Rod

                                    -----Original Message-----
                                    From: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                    [mailto:bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of JD Jamieson
                                    Sent: November 1, 2008 07:32 PM
                                    To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                    Subject: Re: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!

                                    OK. Was trying to think of a way to state this less bluntly but didn't
                                    come up with a satisfactory solution. Unfortunately most of Rod's post is
                                    misinformation.

                                    The rules for registration have been in effect since Confederation and
                                    have not changed. Registered vessels are still registered under the Canada
                                    Shipping Act. They are given an official number O.N. which is to be carved
                                    in the main beam of the vessel (try to find one of those on a Bayfield).
                                    Most of us with registered vessels affix a plaque with the O.N. on it to
                                    the
                                    forward bulkhead. The name of the vessel is also to be placed on the bows
                                    and the stern (along with the port of registry). Registering a vessel also
                                    proves title and allows you to have a mortgage on the vessel. This and the
                                    US federal documentation system are similar and are used for both
                                    commercial
                                    and pleasure craft (down to a specified minimum size),

                                    Licensed vessels are administered by Canada Customs (and that goes back a
                                    long way - I licensed my first boat in 1960 (in Oakville which was 54E at
                                    the time and the system was in effect long before this - Toronto was 50E,
                                    Hamilton was 18E, Parry Sound was 35E etc - I know I have licensed boats
                                    in
                                    all of them). The licenses were and are still issued provincially, only
                                    the
                                    numbering and application system has changed which is what may have
                                    confused
                                    Rod. The new system has been introduced to conform with the US state
                                    license
                                    system and begins with the first two letters of the provincial
                                    abbreviation
                                    ie. ON for Ontario. This number is to be placed on both bows of the
                                    vessel.
                                    Licensing a vessel does not prove title nor does it allow you to have a
                                    mortgage on the vessel.

                                    As I said in my previous post, my registration has been renewed twice
                                    without a fee.

                                    Hope this helps

                                    John

                                    From: Rod or Ondine Brandon
                                    Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:08 PM
                                    To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                    Subject: RE: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!

                                    Rules changed about 6 years ago.

                                    Previously, when a boat was federally registered at a given port (I
                                    believe
                                    Toronto was 50) the registration was good for life. The boat had 3 inch
                                    numbers at the bow on each side starting with the registration port ID
                                    number. Registration proved title.

                                    6 years ago this all changed. Licensing was introduded. No cost. Good for
                                    life. Doesn't prove title. Provincially administered. 3" bow numbers start
                                    with ON in Ontario.

                                    When licensing came about, registration became renewable every 3 years,
                                    with
                                    fairly significant fees, $150 for 3 year renewal I think.

                                    Ramlin' Rod
                                    s/v SeaQuell and Silhouette
                                    Mac 26D and Doglas 32

                                    -----Original Message-----
                                    From: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                    [mailto:bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Norbert
                                    Sent: November 1, 2008 02:34 PM
                                    To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                    Subject: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!

                                    There is only ONE "Wind-Borne" listed in the Registry, and Quebec
                                    owners too, but it is listed as being build by CS. A Bayfield with
                                    that name is not shown, even with an expired registry.

                                    Btw, I was not aware that the registration expires after 3 yrs. Is that
                                    news to someone else too? I can not see any expiry date in my
                                    Registration papers. The cost is $ 50.00 to renew the registration, and
                                    a note in the Registrar website says:

                                    "Anyone operating a vessel with an invalid document is in contravention
                                    of the Canada Shipping Act and liable to prosecution".

                                    This is all somewhat confusing, cause I had my boat 10 yrs now, but
                                    it's registration only expired in march of this year, yet its supposed
                                    to be valid for 3 yrs. only.(???)

                                    Any comments?

                                    Thanks, Norbert
                                    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

                                    --- In bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com, "Ben Davidson" <bennyd10@...>
                                    wrote:
                                    >
                                    > I am writing to introduce ourselves and fish for any history on our
                                    new
                                    > Boat. It is a Bayfield 36, green stripes on white. My wife Kristen
                                    > and I have purchased Wind-Borne in Oriental, NC and are currently on
                                    > the hard, working hard. We intend to head south in a few weeks and
                                    > visit the Bahamas if not further. The last owner was Luc Picard(real
                                    > name, not captain of the enterprise) from Quebec. He only owned it a
                                    > year though. Before that it had a hailing port of Key West and some
                                    > owners that fit it out for extended cruising.
                                    > We wanted to say Hi to all the other owners and would love to hear
                                    any
                                    > history that anyone knows of this boat. This is not Wind-Borne III
                                    > that has a website either...
                                    > Thanks!
                                    > Ben and Kristen Davidson
                                    >

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                                  • JD Jamieson
                                    Rod I have been using the original documents as my source as well. However I cannot see where pleasure craft can be registered in the small vessel registry
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                                      Rod

                                      I have been using the original documents as my source as well. However I cannot see where pleasure craft can be registered in the small vessel registry which appears to be commercial only. Where did you see that the small vessel registry can be used for pleasure craft as well?

                                      John


                                      From: Rod or Ondine Brandon
                                      Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:47 AM
                                      To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                      Subject: RE: [BYOR] Registration / Licensing


                                      This discussion thread has forced me to research the actual authorities
                                      rather than just shoot from memory (which seems to be more fallible for some
                                      reason as years roll by). ;-)

                                      There are 3 different forms of valid vessel registration/licensing available
                                      in Canada. (No wonder this is confusing.)

                                      1. Registration of vessels. All commerical vessels over 15 tons and
                                      voluntary pleaure craft. Proves ownership, required for holding mortage.
                                      Most expensive initially, and lots of fees for changes in registration
                                      status.
                                      http://www.tc.gc.ca/acts-regulations/GENERAL/C/csa2001/regulations/001/0
                                      05/csa2001-5.htm

                                      2. Small vessel registry. All commerical vessels under 15 tons and voluntary
                                      pleasure craft. Proves ownership, no mortgage.
                                      Lower initial cost, but renewal fees apply.
                                      http://www.tc.gc.ca/marinesafety/CES/Small-Commercial-Vessels/Registrati
                                      on-Licensing.htm

                                      3. Pleasure craft licensing. All pleasure craft 10 HP and over, (hence
                                      propensity of 9.9s).
                                      Minimum required to go between Canada and US, or traverse the Trent
                                      Severn system (and possibly other locks). Seperate proof of ownership
                                      required.
                                      No cost, (except triggers payment of sales tax if not already paid, esp.
                                      on private sale).
                                      http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/en/sc/boats/pcl.shtml

                                      In Canada, small dinghies and tenders (powered 9.9 and under or non-powered)
                                      don't require registration or licensing. However, in some states in the US,
                                      registeration (which is about equal to Canadian licensingi) s required, even
                                      for unpowered small craft). If you head south from Canada, you are well
                                      advised to license your dinghy. We were pulled over in our inflatble in the
                                      Keys, because our license numbers (mounted on placards hung on the bow) had
                                      flipped over, and the marine patrol couldn't see our "registration numbers".

                                      Fair Winds,
                                      Ramblin' Rod

                                      -----Original Message-----
                                      From: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                      [mailto:bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of JD Jamieson
                                      Sent: November 2, 2008 10:13 AM
                                      To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                      Subject: Re: [BYOR] Registration / Licensing

                                      Rod

                                      Normally pleasure craft owners who register their vessels only change
                                      registration on the sale of a vessel and cost $150 for the new owner to
                                      re-register. Otherwise there is just the initial registration fee and
                                      nothing else. The system which you call the Commercial Registry is mandatory
                                      for commercial vessels not on the small vessel registry and voluntary for
                                      pleasure vessels. From my reading of the regulations, the small vessel
                                      registry is for commercial vessels only and normally would not apply to a
                                      Bayfield.

                                      John

                                      From: Rod or Ondine Brandon
                                      Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:22 AM
                                      To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                      Subject: [BYOR] Registration / Licensing

                                      If one gets a vessel registered on the commercial registry, (so as to
                                      prove
                                      title and hold a mortgage), the iniital fee is quite steep ($250), and
                                      changes to the registration are also a costly. Renewal every 3 years is
                                      free.

                                      Else if vessel is under 15 tons, to prove title but without mortgage, it
                                      may
                                      be done via the small boat registry, requiring renewal every 5 years for
                                      $50.

                                      Else if it's a pleasure vessel, and neither mortgage nor title proof is
                                      required, it may be licensed, no charge, no renewal.

                                      Best Regards,
                                      Ramblin Rod

                                      -----Original Message-----
                                      From: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                      [mailto:bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of JD Jamieson
                                      Sent: November 1, 2008 07:32 PM
                                      To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                      Subject: Re: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!

                                      OK. Was trying to think of a way to state this less bluntly but didn't
                                      come up with a satisfactory solution. Unfortunately most of Rod's post is
                                      misinformation.

                                      The rules for registration have been in effect since Confederation and
                                      have not changed. Registered vessels are still registered under the Canada
                                      Shipping Act. They are given an official number O.N. which is to be carved
                                      in the main beam of the vessel (try to find one of those on a Bayfield).
                                      Most of us with registered vessels affix a plaque with the O.N. on it to
                                      the
                                      forward bulkhead. The name of the vessel is also to be placed on the bows
                                      and the stern (along with the port of registry). Registering a vessel also
                                      proves title and allows you to have a mortgage on the vessel. This and the
                                      US federal documentation system are similar and are used for both
                                      commercial
                                      and pleasure craft (down to a specified minimum size),

                                      Licensed vessels are administered by Canada Customs (and that goes back a
                                      long way - I licensed my first boat in 1960 (in Oakville which was 54E at
                                      the time and the system was in effect long before this - Toronto was 50E,
                                      Hamilton was 18E, Parry Sound was 35E etc - I know I have licensed boats
                                      in
                                      all of them). The licenses were and are still issued provincially, only
                                      the
                                      numbering and application system has changed which is what may have
                                      confused
                                      Rod. The new system has been introduced to conform with the US state
                                      license
                                      system and begins with the first two letters of the provincial
                                      abbreviation
                                      ie. ON for Ontario. This number is to be placed on both bows of the
                                      vessel.
                                      Licensing a vessel does not prove title nor does it allow you to have a
                                      mortgage on the vessel.

                                      As I said in my previous post, my registration has been renewed twice
                                      without a fee.

                                      Hope this helps

                                      John

                                      From: Rod or Ondine Brandon
                                      Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:08 PM
                                      To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                      Subject: RE: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!

                                      Rules changed about 6 years ago.

                                      Previously, when a boat was federally registered at a given port (I
                                      believe
                                      Toronto was 50) the registration was good for life. The boat had 3 inch
                                      numbers at the bow on each side starting with the registration port ID
                                      number. Registration proved title.

                                      6 years ago this all changed. Licensing was introduded. No cost. Good for
                                      life. Doesn't prove title. Provincially administered. 3" bow numbers start
                                      with ON in Ontario.

                                      When licensing came about, registration became renewable every 3 years,
                                      with
                                      fairly significant fees, $150 for 3 year renewal I think.

                                      Ramlin' Rod
                                      s/v SeaQuell and Silhouette
                                      Mac 26D and Doglas 32

                                      -----Original Message-----
                                      From: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                      [mailto:bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Norbert
                                      Sent: November 1, 2008 02:34 PM
                                      To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                      Subject: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!

                                      There is only ONE "Wind-Borne" listed in the Registry, and Quebec
                                      owners too, but it is listed as being build by CS. A Bayfield with
                                      that name is not shown, even with an expired registry.

                                      Btw, I was not aware that the registration expires after 3 yrs. Is that
                                      news to someone else too? I can not see any expiry date in my
                                      Registration papers. The cost is $ 50.00 to renew the registration, and
                                      a note in the Registrar website says:

                                      "Anyone operating a vessel with an invalid document is in contravention
                                      of the Canada Shipping Act and liable to prosecution".

                                      This is all somewhat confusing, cause I had my boat 10 yrs now, but
                                      it's registration only expired in march of this year, yet its supposed
                                      to be valid for 3 yrs. only.(???)

                                      Any comments?

                                      Thanks, Norbert
                                      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

                                      --- In bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com, "Ben Davidson" <bennyd10@...>
                                      wrote:
                                      >
                                      > I am writing to introduce ourselves and fish for any history on our
                                      new
                                      > Boat. It is a Bayfield 36, green stripes on white. My wife Kristen
                                      > and I have purchased Wind-Borne in Oriental, NC and are currently on
                                      > the hard, working hard. We intend to head south in a few weeks and
                                      > visit the Bahamas if not further. The last owner was Luc Picard(real
                                      > name, not captain of the enterprise) from Quebec. He only owned it a
                                      > year though. Before that it had a hailing port of Key West and some
                                      > owners that fit it out for extended cruising.
                                      > We wanted to say Hi to all the other owners and would love to hear
                                      any
                                      > history that anyone knows of this boat. This is not Wind-Borne III
                                      > that has a website either...
                                      > Thanks!
                                      > Ben and Kristen Davidson
                                      >

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                                    • jimball
                                      When we registered our boat this year in Victoria, we were told that registering our 29ft Bayfield was the same process as registering a large commercial
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                                        When we registered our boat this year in Victoria, we were told that
                                        registering our 29ft Bayfield was the same process as registering a
                                        large commercial vessel.

                                        Jim

                                        -----Original Message-----
                                        From: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                        [mailto:bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JD Jamieson
                                        Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:27 AM
                                        To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                        Subject: Re: [BYOR] Registration / Licensing

                                        Rod

                                        I have been using the original documents as my source as well. However I
                                        cannot see where pleasure craft can be registered in the small vessel
                                        registry which appears to be commercial only. Where did you see that the
                                        small vessel registry can be used for pleasure craft as well?

                                        John

                                        From: Rod or Ondine Brandon
                                        Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:47 AM
                                        To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                        yahoogroups.com
                                        Subject: RE: [BYOR] Registration / Licensing

                                        This discussion thread has forced me to research the actual authorities
                                        rather than just shoot from memory (which seems to be more fallible for
                                        some
                                        reason as years roll by). ;-)

                                        There are 3 different forms of valid vessel registration/licensing
                                        available
                                        in Canada. (No wonder this is confusing.)

                                        1. Registration of vessels. All commerical vessels over 15 tons and
                                        voluntary pleaure craft. Proves ownership, required for holding mortage.
                                        Most expensive initially, and lots of fees for changes in registration
                                        status.
                                        http://www.tc
                                        <http://www.tc.gc.ca/acts-regulations/GENERAL/C/csa2001/regulations/001/
                                        0> gc.ca/acts-regulations/GENERAL/C/csa2001/regulations/001/0
                                        05/csa2001-5.htm

                                        2. Small vessel registry. All commerical vessels under 15 tons and
                                        voluntary
                                        pleasure craft. Proves ownership, no mortgage.
                                        Lower initial cost, but renewal fees apply.
                                        http://www.tc
                                        <http://www.tc.gc.ca/marinesafety/CES/Small-Commercial-Vessels/Registrat
                                        i> gc.ca/marinesafety/CES/Small-Commercial-Vessels/Registrati
                                        on-Licensing.htm

                                        3. Pleasure craft licensing. All pleasure craft 10 HP and over, (hence
                                        propensity of 9.9s).
                                        Minimum required to go between Canada and US, or traverse the Trent
                                        Severn system (and possibly other locks). Seperate proof of ownership
                                        required.
                                        No cost, (except triggers payment of sales tax if not already paid, esp.
                                        on private sale).
                                        http://www.servicec
                                        <http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/en/sc/boats/pcl.shtml>
                                        anada.gc.ca/en/sc/boats/pcl.shtml

                                        In Canada, small dinghies and tenders (powered 9.9 and under or
                                        non-powered)
                                        don't require registration or licensing. However, in some states in the
                                        US,
                                        registeration (which is about equal to Canadian licensingi) s required,
                                        even
                                        for unpowered small craft). If you head south from Canada, you are well
                                        advised to license your dinghy. We were pulled over in our inflatble in
                                        the
                                        Keys, because our license numbers (mounted on placards hung on the bow)
                                        had
                                        flipped over, and the marine patrol couldn't see our "registration
                                        numbers".

                                        Fair Winds,
                                        Ramblin' Rod

                                        -----Original Message-----
                                        From: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                        yahoogroups.com
                                        [mailto:bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                        yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of JD Jamieson
                                        Sent: November 2, 2008 10:13 AM
                                        To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                        yahoogroups.com
                                        Subject: Re: [BYOR] Registration / Licensing

                                        Rod

                                        Normally pleasure craft owners who register their vessels only change
                                        registration on the sale of a vessel and cost $150 for the new owner to
                                        re-register. Otherwise there is just the initial registration fee and
                                        nothing else. The system which you call the Commercial Registry is
                                        mandatory
                                        for commercial vessels not on the small vessel registry and voluntary
                                        for
                                        pleasure vessels. From my reading of the regulations, the small vessel
                                        registry is for commercial vessels only and normally would not apply to
                                        a
                                        Bayfield.

                                        John

                                        From: Rod or Ondine Brandon
                                        Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:22 AM
                                        To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                        yahoogroups.com
                                        Subject: [BYOR] Registration / Licensing

                                        If one gets a vessel registered on the commercial registry, (so as to
                                        prove
                                        title and hold a mortgage), the iniital fee is quite steep ($250), and
                                        changes to the registration are also a costly. Renewal every 3 years is
                                        free.

                                        Else if vessel is under 15 tons, to prove title but without mortgage, it
                                        may
                                        be done via the small boat registry, requiring renewal every 5 years for
                                        $50.

                                        Else if it's a pleasure vessel, and neither mortgage nor title proof is
                                        required, it may be licensed, no charge, no renewal.

                                        Best Regards,
                                        Ramblin Rod

                                        -----Original Message-----
                                        From: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                        yahoogroups.com
                                        [mailto:bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                        yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of JD Jamieson
                                        Sent: November 1, 2008 07:32 PM
                                        To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                        yahoogroups.com
                                        Subject: Re: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!

                                        OK. Was trying to think of a way to state this less bluntly but didn't
                                        come up with a satisfactory solution. Unfortunately most of Rod's post
                                        is
                                        misinformation.

                                        The rules for registration have been in effect since Confederation and
                                        have not changed. Registered vessels are still registered under the
                                        Canada
                                        Shipping Act. They are given an official number O.N. which is to be
                                        carved
                                        in the main beam of the vessel (try to find one of those on a Bayfield).
                                        Most of us with registered vessels affix a plaque with the O.N. on it to
                                        the
                                        forward bulkhead. The name of the vessel is also to be placed on the
                                        bows
                                        and the stern (along with the port of registry). Registering a vessel
                                        also
                                        proves title and allows you to have a mortgage on the vessel. This and
                                        the
                                        US federal documentation system are similar and are used for both
                                        commercial
                                        and pleasure craft (down to a specified minimum size),

                                        Licensed vessels are administered by Canada Customs (and that goes back
                                        a
                                        long way - I licensed my first boat in 1960 (in Oakville which was 54E
                                        at
                                        the time and the system was in effect long before this - Toronto was
                                        50E,
                                        Hamilton was 18E, Parry Sound was 35E etc - I know I have licensed boats
                                        in
                                        all of them). The licenses were and are still issued provincially, only
                                        the
                                        numbering and application system has changed which is what may have
                                        confused
                                        Rod. The new system has been introduced to conform with the US state
                                        license
                                        system and begins with the first two letters of the provincial
                                        abbreviation
                                        ie. ON for Ontario. This number is to be placed on both bows of the
                                        vessel.
                                        Licensing a vessel does not prove title nor does it allow you to have a
                                        mortgage on the vessel.

                                        As I said in my previous post, my registration has been renewed twice
                                        without a fee.

                                        Hope this helps

                                        John

                                        From: Rod or Ondine Brandon
                                        Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:08 PM
                                        To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                        yahoogroups.com
                                        Subject: RE: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!

                                        Rules changed about 6 years ago.

                                        Previously, when a boat was federally registered at a given port (I
                                        believe
                                        Toronto was 50) the registration was good for life. The boat had 3 inch
                                        numbers at the bow on each side starting with the registration port ID
                                        number. Registration proved title.

                                        6 years ago this all changed. Licensing was introduded. No cost. Good
                                        for
                                        life. Doesn't prove title. Provincially administered. 3" bow numbers
                                        start
                                        with ON in Ontario.

                                        When licensing came about, registration became renewable every 3 years,
                                        with
                                        fairly significant fees, $150 for 3 year renewal I think.

                                        Ramlin' Rod
                                        s/v SeaQuell and Silhouette
                                        Mac 26D and Doglas 32

                                        -----Original Message-----
                                        From: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                        yahoogroups.com
                                        [mailto:bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                        yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Norbert
                                        Sent: November 1, 2008 02:34 PM
                                        To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                        yahoogroups.com
                                        Subject: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!

                                        There is only ONE "Wind-Borne" listed in the Registry, and Quebec
                                        owners too, but it is listed as being build by CS. A Bayfield with
                                        that name is not shown, even with an expired registry.

                                        Btw, I was not aware that the registration expires after 3 yrs. Is that
                                        news to someone else too? I can not see any expiry date in my
                                        Registration papers. The cost is $ 50.00 to renew the registration, and
                                        a note in the Registrar website says:

                                        "Anyone operating a vessel with an invalid document is in contravention
                                        of the Canada Shipping Act and liable to prosecution".

                                        This is all somewhat confusing, cause I had my boat 10 yrs now, but
                                        it's registration only expired in march of this year, yet its supposed
                                        to be valid for 3 yrs. only.(???)

                                        Any comments?

                                        Thanks, Norbert
                                        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

                                        --- In bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                        yahoogroups.com, "Ben Davidson" <bennyd10@...>
                                        wrote:
                                        >
                                        > I am writing to introduce ourselves and fish for any history on our
                                        new
                                        > Boat. It is a Bayfield 36, green stripes on white. My wife Kristen
                                        > and I have purchased Wind-Borne in Oriental, NC and are currently on
                                        > the hard, working hard. We intend to head south in a few weeks and
                                        > visit the Bahamas if not further. The last owner was Luc Picard(real
                                        > name, not captain of the enterprise) from Quebec. He only owned it a
                                        > year though. Before that it had a hailing port of Key West and some
                                        > owners that fit it out for extended cruising.
                                        > We wanted to say Hi to all the other owners and would love to hear
                                        any
                                        > history that anyone knows of this boat. This is not Wind-Borne III
                                        > that has a website either...
                                        > Thanks!
                                        > Ben and Kristen Davidson
                                        >

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                                      • JD Jamieson
                                        True. They are in the vessel registry, not the small vessel registry which is reasonably new. Where do you keep her? From: jimball Sent: Sunday, November 02,
                                        Message 19 of 25 , Nov 2, 2008
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                                          True. They are in the vessel registry, not the small vessel registry which is reasonably new.

                                          Where do you keep her?


                                          From: jimball
                                          Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 4:11 PM
                                          To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: RE: [BYOR] Registration / Licensing


                                          When we registered our boat this year in Victoria, we were told that
                                          registering our 29ft Bayfield was the same process as registering a
                                          large commercial vessel.

                                          Jim

                                          -----Original Message-----
                                          From: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                          [mailto:bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JD Jamieson
                                          Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:27 AM
                                          To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: Re: [BYOR] Registration / Licensing

                                          Rod

                                          I have been using the original documents as my source as well. However I
                                          cannot see where pleasure craft can be registered in the small vessel
                                          registry which appears to be commercial only. Where did you see that the
                                          small vessel registry can be used for pleasure craft as well?

                                          John

                                          From: Rod or Ondine Brandon
                                          Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:47 AM
                                          To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: RE: [BYOR] Registration / Licensing

                                          This discussion thread has forced me to research the actual authorities
                                          rather than just shoot from memory (which seems to be more fallible for
                                          some
                                          reason as years roll by). ;-)

                                          There are 3 different forms of valid vessel registration/licensing
                                          available
                                          in Canada. (No wonder this is confusing.)

                                          1. Registration of vessels. All commerical vessels over 15 tons and
                                          voluntary pleaure craft. Proves ownership, required for holding mortage.
                                          Most expensive initially, and lots of fees for changes in registration
                                          status.
                                          http://www.tc
                                          <http://www.tc.gc.ca/acts-regulations/GENERAL/C/csa2001/regulations/001/
                                          0> gc.ca/acts-regulations/GENERAL/C/csa2001/regulations/001/0
                                          05/csa2001-5.htm

                                          2. Small vessel registry. All commerical vessels under 15 tons and
                                          voluntary
                                          pleasure craft. Proves ownership, no mortgage.
                                          Lower initial cost, but renewal fees apply.
                                          http://www.tc
                                          <http://www.tc.gc.ca/marinesafety/CES/Small-Commercial-Vessels/Registrat
                                          i> gc.ca/marinesafety/CES/Small-Commercial-Vessels/Registrati
                                          on-Licensing.htm

                                          3. Pleasure craft licensing. All pleasure craft 10 HP and over, (hence
                                          propensity of 9.9s).
                                          Minimum required to go between Canada and US, or traverse the Trent
                                          Severn system (and possibly other locks). Seperate proof of ownership
                                          required.
                                          No cost, (except triggers payment of sales tax if not already paid, esp.
                                          on private sale).
                                          http://www.servicec
                                          <http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/en/sc/boats/pcl.shtml>
                                          anada.gc.ca/en/sc/boats/pcl.shtml

                                          In Canada, small dinghies and tenders (powered 9.9 and under or
                                          non-powered)
                                          don't require registration or licensing. However, in some states in the
                                          US,
                                          registeration (which is about equal to Canadian licensingi) s required,
                                          even
                                          for unpowered small craft). If you head south from Canada, you are well
                                          advised to license your dinghy. We were pulled over in our inflatble in
                                          the
                                          Keys, because our license numbers (mounted on placards hung on the bow)
                                          had
                                          flipped over, and the marine patrol couldn't see our "registration
                                          numbers".

                                          Fair Winds,
                                          Ramblin' Rod

                                          -----Original Message-----
                                          From: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          yahoogroups.com
                                          [mailto:bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of JD Jamieson
                                          Sent: November 2, 2008 10:13 AM
                                          To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: Re: [BYOR] Registration / Licensing

                                          Rod

                                          Normally pleasure craft owners who register their vessels only change
                                          registration on the sale of a vessel and cost $150 for the new owner to
                                          re-register. Otherwise there is just the initial registration fee and
                                          nothing else. The system which you call the Commercial Registry is
                                          mandatory
                                          for commercial vessels not on the small vessel registry and voluntary
                                          for
                                          pleasure vessels. From my reading of the regulations, the small vessel
                                          registry is for commercial vessels only and normally would not apply to
                                          a
                                          Bayfield.

                                          John

                                          From: Rod or Ondine Brandon
                                          Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:22 AM
                                          To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: [BYOR] Registration / Licensing

                                          If one gets a vessel registered on the commercial registry, (so as to
                                          prove
                                          title and hold a mortgage), the iniital fee is quite steep ($250), and
                                          changes to the registration are also a costly. Renewal every 3 years is
                                          free.

                                          Else if vessel is under 15 tons, to prove title but without mortgage, it
                                          may
                                          be done via the small boat registry, requiring renewal every 5 years for
                                          $50.

                                          Else if it's a pleasure vessel, and neither mortgage nor title proof is
                                          required, it may be licensed, no charge, no renewal.

                                          Best Regards,
                                          Ramblin Rod

                                          -----Original Message-----
                                          From: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          yahoogroups.com
                                          [mailto:bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of JD Jamieson
                                          Sent: November 1, 2008 07:32 PM
                                          To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: Re: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!

                                          OK. Was trying to think of a way to state this less bluntly but didn't
                                          come up with a satisfactory solution. Unfortunately most of Rod's post
                                          is
                                          misinformation.

                                          The rules for registration have been in effect since Confederation and
                                          have not changed. Registered vessels are still registered under the
                                          Canada
                                          Shipping Act. They are given an official number O.N. which is to be
                                          carved
                                          in the main beam of the vessel (try to find one of those on a Bayfield).
                                          Most of us with registered vessels affix a plaque with the O.N. on it to
                                          the
                                          forward bulkhead. The name of the vessel is also to be placed on the
                                          bows
                                          and the stern (along with the port of registry). Registering a vessel
                                          also
                                          proves title and allows you to have a mortgage on the vessel. This and
                                          the
                                          US federal documentation system are similar and are used for both
                                          commercial
                                          and pleasure craft (down to a specified minimum size),

                                          Licensed vessels are administered by Canada Customs (and that goes back
                                          a
                                          long way - I licensed my first boat in 1960 (in Oakville which was 54E
                                          at
                                          the time and the system was in effect long before this - Toronto was
                                          50E,
                                          Hamilton was 18E, Parry Sound was 35E etc - I know I have licensed boats
                                          in
                                          all of them). The licenses were and are still issued provincially, only
                                          the
                                          numbering and application system has changed which is what may have
                                          confused
                                          Rod. The new system has been introduced to conform with the US state
                                          license
                                          system and begins with the first two letters of the provincial
                                          abbreviation
                                          ie. ON for Ontario. This number is to be placed on both bows of the
                                          vessel.
                                          Licensing a vessel does not prove title nor does it allow you to have a
                                          mortgage on the vessel.

                                          As I said in my previous post, my registration has been renewed twice
                                          without a fee.

                                          Hope this helps

                                          John

                                          From: Rod or Ondine Brandon
                                          Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:08 PM
                                          To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: RE: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!

                                          Rules changed about 6 years ago.

                                          Previously, when a boat was federally registered at a given port (I
                                          believe
                                          Toronto was 50) the registration was good for life. The boat had 3 inch
                                          numbers at the bow on each side starting with the registration port ID
                                          number. Registration proved title.

                                          6 years ago this all changed. Licensing was introduded. No cost. Good
                                          for
                                          life. Doesn't prove title. Provincially administered. 3" bow numbers
                                          start
                                          with ON in Ontario.

                                          When licensing came about, registration became renewable every 3 years,
                                          with
                                          fairly significant fees, $150 for 3 year renewal I think.

                                          Ramlin' Rod
                                          s/v SeaQuell and Silhouette
                                          Mac 26D and Doglas 32

                                          -----Original Message-----
                                          From: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          yahoogroups.com
                                          [mailto:bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Norbert
                                          Sent: November 1, 2008 02:34 PM
                                          To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!

                                          There is only ONE "Wind-Borne" listed in the Registry, and Quebec
                                          owners too, but it is listed as being build by CS. A Bayfield with
                                          that name is not shown, even with an expired registry.

                                          Btw, I was not aware that the registration expires after 3 yrs. Is that
                                          news to someone else too? I can not see any expiry date in my
                                          Registration papers. The cost is $ 50.00 to renew the registration, and
                                          a note in the Registrar website says:

                                          "Anyone operating a vessel with an invalid document is in contravention
                                          of the Canada Shipping Act and liable to prosecution".

                                          This is all somewhat confusing, cause I had my boat 10 yrs now, but
                                          it's registration only expired in march of this year, yet its supposed
                                          to be valid for 3 yrs. only.(???)

                                          Any comments?

                                          Thanks, Norbert
                                          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

                                          --- In bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          yahoogroups.com, "Ben Davidson" <bennyd10@...>
                                          wrote:
                                          >
                                          > I am writing to introduce ourselves and fish for any history on our
                                          new
                                          > Boat. It is a Bayfield 36, green stripes on white. My wife Kristen
                                          > and I have purchased Wind-Borne in Oriental, NC and are currently on
                                          > the hard, working hard. We intend to head south in a few weeks and
                                          > visit the Bahamas if not further. The last owner was Luc Picard(real
                                          > name, not captain of the enterprise) from Quebec. He only owned it a
                                          > year though. Before that it had a hailing port of Key West and some
                                          > owners that fit it out for extended cruising.
                                          > We wanted to say Hi to all the other owners and would love to hear
                                          any
                                          > history that anyone knows of this boat. This is not Wind-Borne III
                                          > that has a website either...
                                          > Thanks!
                                          > Ben and Kristen Davidson
                                          >

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                                        • jimball
                                          We keep her at Brentwood Bay. ... From: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JD Jamieson Sent: Sunday, November
                                          Message 20 of 25 , Nov 2, 2008
                                          • 0 Attachment
                                            We keep her at Brentwood Bay.

                                            -----Original Message-----
                                            From: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                            [mailto:bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JD Jamieson
                                            Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 2:50 PM
                                            To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                            Subject: Re: [BYOR] Registration / Licensing

                                            True. They are in the vessel registry, not the small vessel registry
                                            which is reasonably new.

                                            Where do you keep her?

                                            From: jimball
                                            Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 4:11 PM
                                            To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            yahoogroups.com
                                            Subject: RE: [BYOR] Registration / Licensing

                                            When we registered our boat this year in Victoria, we were told that
                                            registering our 29ft Bayfield was the same process as registering a
                                            large commercial vessel.

                                            Jim

                                            -----Original Message-----
                                            From: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            yahoogroups.com
                                            [mailto:bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JD Jamieson
                                            Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:27 AM
                                            To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            yahoogroups.com
                                            Subject: Re: [BYOR] Registration / Licensing

                                            Rod

                                            I have been using the original documents as my source as well. However I
                                            cannot see where pleasure craft can be registered in the small vessel
                                            registry which appears to be commercial only. Where did you see that the
                                            small vessel registry can be used for pleasure craft as well?

                                            John

                                            From: Rod or Ondine Brandon
                                            Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:47 AM
                                            To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            yahoogroups.com
                                            Subject: RE: [BYOR] Registration / Licensing

                                            This discussion thread has forced me to research the actual authorities
                                            rather than just shoot from memory (which seems to be more fallible for
                                            some
                                            reason as years roll by). ;-)

                                            There are 3 different forms of valid vessel registration/licensing
                                            available
                                            in Canada. (No wonder this is confusing.)

                                            1. Registration of vessels. All commerical vessels over 15 tons and
                                            voluntary pleaure craft. Proves ownership, required for holding mortage.
                                            Most expensive initially, and lots of fees for changes in registration
                                            status.
                                            http://www.tc
                                            <http://www.tc
                                            <http://www.tc.gc.ca/acts-regulations/GENERAL/C/csa2001/regulations/001/
                                            > gc.ca/acts-regulations/GENERAL/C/csa2001/regulations/001/
                                            0> gc.ca/acts-regulations/GENERAL/C/csa2001/regulations/001/0
                                            05/csa2001-5.htm

                                            2. Small vessel registry. All commerical vessels under 15 tons and
                                            voluntary
                                            pleasure craft. Proves ownership, no mortgage.
                                            Lower initial cost, but renewal fees apply.
                                            http://www.tc
                                            <http://www.tc
                                            <http://www.tc.gc.ca/marinesafety/CES/Small-Commercial-Vessels/Registrat
                                            > gc.ca/marinesafety/CES/Small-Commercial-Vessels/Registrat
                                            i> gc.ca/marinesafety/CES/Small-Commercial-Vessels/Registrati
                                            on-Licensing.htm

                                            3. Pleasure craft licensing. All pleasure craft 10 HP and over, (hence
                                            propensity of 9.9s).
                                            Minimum required to go between Canada and US, or traverse the Trent
                                            Severn system (and possibly other locks). Seperate proof of ownership
                                            required.
                                            No cost, (except triggers payment of sales tax if not already paid, esp.
                                            on private sale).
                                            http://www.servicec
                                            <http://www.servicec
                                            <http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/en/sc/boats/pcl.shtml>
                                            anada.gc.ca/en/sc/boats/pcl.shtml>
                                            anada.gc.ca/en/sc/boats/pcl.shtml

                                            In Canada, small dinghies and tenders (powered 9.9 and under or
                                            non-powered)
                                            don't require registration or licensing. However, in some states in the
                                            US,
                                            registeration (which is about equal to Canadian licensingi) s required,
                                            even
                                            for unpowered small craft). If you head south from Canada, you are well
                                            advised to license your dinghy. We were pulled over in our inflatble in
                                            the
                                            Keys, because our license numbers (mounted on placards hung on the bow)
                                            had
                                            flipped over, and the marine patrol couldn't see our "registration
                                            numbers".

                                            Fair Winds,
                                            Ramblin' Rod

                                            -----Original Message-----
                                            From: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            yahoogroups.com
                                            [mailto:bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of JD Jamieson
                                            Sent: November 2, 2008 10:13 AM
                                            To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            yahoogroups.com
                                            Subject: Re: [BYOR] Registration / Licensing

                                            Rod

                                            Normally pleasure craft owners who register their vessels only change
                                            registration on the sale of a vessel and cost $150 for the new owner to
                                            re-register. Otherwise there is just the initial registration fee and
                                            nothing else. The system which you call the Commercial Registry is
                                            mandatory
                                            for commercial vessels not on the small vessel registry and voluntary
                                            for
                                            pleasure vessels. From my reading of the regulations, the small vessel
                                            registry is for commercial vessels only and normally would not apply to
                                            a
                                            Bayfield.

                                            John

                                            From: Rod or Ondine Brandon
                                            Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:22 AM
                                            To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            yahoogroups.com
                                            Subject: [BYOR] Registration / Licensing

                                            If one gets a vessel registered on the commercial registry, (so as to
                                            prove
                                            title and hold a mortgage), the iniital fee is quite steep ($250), and
                                            changes to the registration are also a costly. Renewal every 3 years is
                                            free.

                                            Else if vessel is under 15 tons, to prove title but without mortgage, it
                                            may
                                            be done via the small boat registry, requiring renewal every 5 years for
                                            $50.

                                            Else if it's a pleasure vessel, and neither mortgage nor title proof is
                                            required, it may be licensed, no charge, no renewal.

                                            Best Regards,
                                            Ramblin Rod

                                            -----Original Message-----
                                            From: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            yahoogroups.com
                                            [mailto:bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of JD Jamieson
                                            Sent: November 1, 2008 07:32 PM
                                            To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            yahoogroups.com
                                            Subject: Re: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!

                                            OK. Was trying to think of a way to state this less bluntly but didn't
                                            come up with a satisfactory solution. Unfortunately most of Rod's post
                                            is
                                            misinformation.

                                            The rules for registration have been in effect since Confederation and
                                            have not changed. Registered vessels are still registered under the
                                            Canada
                                            Shipping Act. They are given an official number O.N. which is to be
                                            carved
                                            in the main beam of the vessel (try to find one of those on a Bayfield).
                                            Most of us with registered vessels affix a plaque with the O.N. on it to
                                            the
                                            forward bulkhead. The name of the vessel is also to be placed on the
                                            bows
                                            and the stern (along with the port of registry). Registering a vessel
                                            also
                                            proves title and allows you to have a mortgage on the vessel. This and
                                            the
                                            US federal documentation system are similar and are used for both
                                            commercial
                                            and pleasure craft (down to a specified minimum size),

                                            Licensed vessels are administered by Canada Customs (and that goes back
                                            a
                                            long way - I licensed my first boat in 1960 (in Oakville which was 54E
                                            at
                                            the time and the system was in effect long before this - Toronto was
                                            50E,
                                            Hamilton was 18E, Parry Sound was 35E etc - I know I have licensed boats
                                            in
                                            all of them). The licenses were and are still issued provincially, only
                                            the
                                            numbering and application system has changed which is what may have
                                            confused
                                            Rod. The new system has been introduced to conform with the US state
                                            license
                                            system and begins with the first two letters of the provincial
                                            abbreviation
                                            ie. ON for Ontario. This number is to be placed on both bows of the
                                            vessel.
                                            Licensing a vessel does not prove title nor does it allow you to have a
                                            mortgage on the vessel.

                                            As I said in my previous post, my registration has been renewed twice
                                            without a fee.

                                            Hope this helps

                                            John

                                            From: Rod or Ondine Brandon
                                            Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:08 PM
                                            To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            yahoogroups.com
                                            Subject: RE: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!

                                            Rules changed about 6 years ago.

                                            Previously, when a boat was federally registered at a given port (I
                                            believe
                                            Toronto was 50) the registration was good for life. The boat had 3 inch
                                            numbers at the bow on each side starting with the registration port ID
                                            number. Registration proved title.

                                            6 years ago this all changed. Licensing was introduded. No cost. Good
                                            for
                                            life. Doesn't prove title. Provincially administered. 3" bow numbers
                                            start
                                            with ON in Ontario.

                                            When licensing came about, registration became renewable every 3 years,
                                            with
                                            fairly significant fees, $150 for 3 year renewal I think.

                                            Ramlin' Rod
                                            s/v SeaQuell and Silhouette
                                            Mac 26D and Doglas 32

                                            -----Original Message-----
                                            From: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            yahoogroups.com
                                            [mailto:bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Norbert
                                            Sent: November 1, 2008 02:34 PM
                                            To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            yahoogroups.com
                                            Subject: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!

                                            There is only ONE "Wind-Borne" listed in the Registry, and Quebec
                                            owners too, but it is listed as being build by CS. A Bayfield with
                                            that name is not shown, even with an expired registry.

                                            Btw, I was not aware that the registration expires after 3 yrs. Is that
                                            news to someone else too? I can not see any expiry date in my
                                            Registration papers. The cost is $ 50.00 to renew the registration, and
                                            a note in the Registrar website says:

                                            "Anyone operating a vessel with an invalid document is in contravention
                                            of the Canada Shipping Act and liable to prosecution".

                                            This is all somewhat confusing, cause I had my boat 10 yrs now, but
                                            it's registration only expired in march of this year, yet its supposed
                                            to be valid for 3 yrs. only.(???)

                                            Any comments?

                                            Thanks, Norbert
                                            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

                                            --- In bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            yahoogroups.com, "Ben Davidson" <bennyd10@...>
                                            wrote:
                                            >
                                            > I am writing to introduce ourselves and fish for any history on our
                                            new
                                            > Boat. It is a Bayfield 36, green stripes on white. My wife Kristen
                                            > and I have purchased Wind-Borne in Oriental, NC and are currently on
                                            > the hard, working hard. We intend to head south in a few weeks and
                                            > visit the Bahamas if not further. The last owner was Luc Picard(real
                                            > name, not captain of the enterprise) from Quebec. He only owned it a
                                            > year though. Before that it had a hailing port of Key West and some
                                            > owners that fit it out for extended cruising.
                                            > We wanted to say Hi to all the other owners and would love to hear
                                            any
                                            > history that anyone knows of this boat. This is not Wind-Borne III
                                            > that has a website either...
                                            > Thanks!
                                            > Ben and Kristen Davidson
                                            >

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                                          • JD Jamieson
                                            Used to sail a CS 36 out of Esquimalt when I was in the Navy. From: jimball Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 5:48 PM To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com Subject:
                                            Message 21 of 25 , Nov 2, 2008
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                                              Used to sail a CS 36 out of Esquimalt when I was in the Navy.


                                              From: jimball
                                              Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 5:48 PM
                                              To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                              Subject: RE: [BYOR] Registration / Licensing


                                              We keep her at Brentwood Bay.

                                              -----Original Message-----
                                              From: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                              [mailto:bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JD Jamieson
                                              Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 2:50 PM
                                              To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                              Subject: Re: [BYOR] Registration / Licensing

                                              True. They are in the vessel registry, not the small vessel registry
                                              which is reasonably new.

                                              Where do you keep her?

                                              From: jimball
                                              Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 4:11 PM
                                              To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                              yahoogroups.com
                                              Subject: RE: [BYOR] Registration / Licensing

                                              When we registered our boat this year in Victoria, we were told that
                                              registering our 29ft Bayfield was the same process as registering a
                                              large commercial vessel.

                                              Jim

                                              -----Original Message-----
                                              From: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                              yahoogroups.com
                                              [mailto:bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                              yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JD Jamieson
                                              Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:27 AM
                                              To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                              yahoogroups.com
                                              Subject: Re: [BYOR] Registration / Licensing

                                              Rod

                                              I have been using the original documents as my source as well. However I
                                              cannot see where pleasure craft can be registered in the small vessel
                                              registry which appears to be commercial only. Where did you see that the
                                              small vessel registry can be used for pleasure craft as well?

                                              John

                                              From: Rod or Ondine Brandon
                                              Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:47 AM
                                              To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                              yahoogroups.com
                                              Subject: RE: [BYOR] Registration / Licensing

                                              This discussion thread has forced me to research the actual authorities
                                              rather than just shoot from memory (which seems to be more fallible for
                                              some
                                              reason as years roll by). ;-)

                                              There are 3 different forms of valid vessel registration/licensing
                                              available
                                              in Canada. (No wonder this is confusing.)

                                              1. Registration of vessels. All commerical vessels over 15 tons and
                                              voluntary pleaure craft. Proves ownership, required for holding mortage.
                                              Most expensive initially, and lots of fees for changes in registration
                                              status.
                                              http://www.tc
                                              <http://www.tc
                                              <http://www.tc.gc.ca/acts-regulations/GENERAL/C/csa2001/regulations/001/
                                              > gc.ca/acts-regulations/GENERAL/C/csa2001/regulations/001/
                                              0> gc.ca/acts-regulations/GENERAL/C/csa2001/regulations/001/0
                                              05/csa2001-5.htm

                                              2. Small vessel registry. All commerical vessels under 15 tons and
                                              voluntary
                                              pleasure craft. Proves ownership, no mortgage.
                                              Lower initial cost, but renewal fees apply.
                                              http://www.tc
                                              <http://www.tc
                                              <http://www.tc.gc.ca/marinesafety/CES/Small-Commercial-Vessels/Registrat
                                              > gc.ca/marinesafety/CES/Small-Commercial-Vessels/Registrat
                                              i> gc.ca/marinesafety/CES/Small-Commercial-Vessels/Registrati
                                              on-Licensing.htm

                                              3. Pleasure craft licensing. All pleasure craft 10 HP and over, (hence
                                              propensity of 9.9s).
                                              Minimum required to go between Canada and US, or traverse the Trent
                                              Severn system (and possibly other locks). Seperate proof of ownership
                                              required.
                                              No cost, (except triggers payment of sales tax if not already paid, esp.
                                              on private sale).
                                              http://www.servicec
                                              <http://www.servicec
                                              <http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/en/sc/boats/pcl.shtml>
                                              anada.gc.ca/en/sc/boats/pcl.shtml>
                                              anada.gc.ca/en/sc/boats/pcl.shtml

                                              In Canada, small dinghies and tenders (powered 9.9 and under or
                                              non-powered)
                                              don't require registration or licensing. However, in some states in the
                                              US,
                                              registeration (which is about equal to Canadian licensingi) s required,
                                              even
                                              for unpowered small craft). If you head south from Canada, you are well
                                              advised to license your dinghy. We were pulled over in our inflatble in
                                              the
                                              Keys, because our license numbers (mounted on placards hung on the bow)
                                              had
                                              flipped over, and the marine patrol couldn't see our "registration
                                              numbers".

                                              Fair Winds,
                                              Ramblin' Rod

                                              -----Original Message-----
                                              From: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                              yahoogroups.com
                                              [mailto:bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                              yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of JD Jamieson
                                              Sent: November 2, 2008 10:13 AM
                                              To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                              yahoogroups.com
                                              Subject: Re: [BYOR] Registration / Licensing

                                              Rod

                                              Normally pleasure craft owners who register their vessels only change
                                              registration on the sale of a vessel and cost $150 for the new owner to
                                              re-register. Otherwise there is just the initial registration fee and
                                              nothing else. The system which you call the Commercial Registry is
                                              mandatory
                                              for commercial vessels not on the small vessel registry and voluntary
                                              for
                                              pleasure vessels. From my reading of the regulations, the small vessel
                                              registry is for commercial vessels only and normally would not apply to
                                              a
                                              Bayfield.

                                              John

                                              From: Rod or Ondine Brandon
                                              Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:22 AM
                                              To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                              yahoogroups.com
                                              Subject: [BYOR] Registration / Licensing

                                              If one gets a vessel registered on the commercial registry, (so as to
                                              prove
                                              title and hold a mortgage), the iniital fee is quite steep ($250), and
                                              changes to the registration are also a costly. Renewal every 3 years is
                                              free.

                                              Else if vessel is under 15 tons, to prove title but without mortgage, it
                                              may
                                              be done via the small boat registry, requiring renewal every 5 years for
                                              $50.

                                              Else if it's a pleasure vessel, and neither mortgage nor title proof is
                                              required, it may be licensed, no charge, no renewal.

                                              Best Regards,
                                              Ramblin Rod

                                              -----Original Message-----
                                              From: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                              yahoogroups.com
                                              [mailto:bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                              yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of JD Jamieson
                                              Sent: November 1, 2008 07:32 PM
                                              To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                              yahoogroups.com
                                              Subject: Re: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!

                                              OK. Was trying to think of a way to state this less bluntly but didn't
                                              come up with a satisfactory solution. Unfortunately most of Rod's post
                                              is
                                              misinformation.

                                              The rules for registration have been in effect since Confederation and
                                              have not changed. Registered vessels are still registered under the
                                              Canada
                                              Shipping Act. They are given an official number O.N. which is to be
                                              carved
                                              in the main beam of the vessel (try to find one of those on a Bayfield).
                                              Most of us with registered vessels affix a plaque with the O.N. on it to
                                              the
                                              forward bulkhead. The name of the vessel is also to be placed on the
                                              bows
                                              and the stern (along with the port of registry). Registering a vessel
                                              also
                                              proves title and allows you to have a mortgage on the vessel. This and
                                              the
                                              US federal documentation system are similar and are used for both
                                              commercial
                                              and pleasure craft (down to a specified minimum size),

                                              Licensed vessels are administered by Canada Customs (and that goes back
                                              a
                                              long way - I licensed my first boat in 1960 (in Oakville which was 54E
                                              at
                                              the time and the system was in effect long before this - Toronto was
                                              50E,
                                              Hamilton was 18E, Parry Sound was 35E etc - I know I have licensed boats
                                              in
                                              all of them). The licenses were and are still issued provincially, only
                                              the
                                              numbering and application system has changed which is what may have
                                              confused
                                              Rod. The new system has been introduced to conform with the US state
                                              license
                                              system and begins with the first two letters of the provincial
                                              abbreviation
                                              ie. ON for Ontario. This number is to be placed on both bows of the
                                              vessel.
                                              Licensing a vessel does not prove title nor does it allow you to have a
                                              mortgage on the vessel.

                                              As I said in my previous post, my registration has been renewed twice
                                              without a fee.

                                              Hope this helps

                                              John

                                              From: Rod or Ondine Brandon
                                              Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:08 PM
                                              To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                              yahoogroups.com
                                              Subject: RE: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!

                                              Rules changed about 6 years ago.

                                              Previously, when a boat was federally registered at a given port (I
                                              believe
                                              Toronto was 50) the registration was good for life. The boat had 3 inch
                                              numbers at the bow on each side starting with the registration port ID
                                              number. Registration proved title.

                                              6 years ago this all changed. Licensing was introduded. No cost. Good
                                              for
                                              life. Doesn't prove title. Provincially administered. 3" bow numbers
                                              start
                                              with ON in Ontario.

                                              When licensing came about, registration became renewable every 3 years,
                                              with
                                              fairly significant fees, $150 for 3 year renewal I think.

                                              Ramlin' Rod
                                              s/v SeaQuell and Silhouette
                                              Mac 26D and Doglas 32

                                              -----Original Message-----
                                              From: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                              yahoogroups.com
                                              [mailto:bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                              yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Norbert
                                              Sent: November 1, 2008 02:34 PM
                                              To: bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                              yahoogroups.com
                                              Subject: [BYOR] Re: Wind-Borne is ours!!!!

                                              There is only ONE "Wind-Borne" listed in the Registry, and Quebec
                                              owners too, but it is listed as being build by CS. A Bayfield with
                                              that name is not shown, even with an expired registry.

                                              Btw, I was not aware that the registration expires after 3 yrs. Is that
                                              news to someone else too? I can not see any expiry date in my
                                              Registration papers. The cost is $ 50.00 to renew the registration, and
                                              a note in the Registrar website says:

                                              "Anyone operating a vessel with an invalid document is in contravention
                                              of the Canada Shipping Act and liable to prosecution".

                                              This is all somewhat confusing, cause I had my boat 10 yrs now, but
                                              it's registration only expired in march of this year, yet its supposed
                                              to be valid for 3 yrs. only.(???)

                                              Any comments?

                                              Thanks, Norbert
                                              ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

                                              --- In bayfieldyachts@ <mailto:bayfieldyachts%40yahoogroups.com>
                                              yahoogroups.com, "Ben Davidson" <bennyd10@...>
                                              wrote:
                                              >
                                              > I am writing to introduce ourselves and fish for any history on our
                                              new
                                              > Boat. It is a Bayfield 36, green stripes on white. My wife Kristen
                                              > and I have purchased Wind-Borne in Oriental, NC and are currently on
                                              > the hard, working hard. We intend to head south in a few weeks and
                                              > visit the Bahamas if not further. The last owner was Luc Picard(real
                                              > name, not captain of the enterprise) from Quebec. He only owned it a
                                              > year though. Before that it had a hailing port of Key West and some
                                              > owners that fit it out for extended cruising.
                                              > We wanted to say Hi to all the other owners and would love to hear
                                              any
                                              > history that anyone knows of this boat. This is not Wind-Borne III
                                              > that has a website either...
                                              > Thanks!
                                              > Ben and Kristen Davidson
                                              >

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                                            • david clark
                                              Is GST payment part of boat Licencing? _________________________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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                                                Is GST payment part of boat Licencing?
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                                              • Stephen Doyle
                                                When I bought my boat in BC and transferred the registration to my name, the registration is what triggered the BC government that they needed the PST. But I
                                                Message 23 of 25 , Nov 9, 2008
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                                                  When I bought my boat in BC and transferred the registration to my
                                                  name, the registration is what triggered the BC government that they
                                                  needed the PST. But I don't think GST is payable on a Canadian boat
                                                  bought in Canada. However I believe GST is payable on a Canadian boat
                                                  bought in the USA and I think this is payable at the port of entry.

                                                  Steve Doyle
                                                  Impulse III


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                                                • JD Jamieson
                                                  Just to add to Stephen s comments. When I bought CHEROKA in the US in 2004, GST did not have to be paid on a Canadian boat bought in the USA and brought into
                                                  Message 24 of 25 , Nov 10, 2008
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                                                    Just to add to Stephen's comments. When I bought CHEROKA in the US in 2004, GST did not have to be paid on a Canadian boat bought in the USA and brought into Canada if you could prove that GST has already been paid (or in the case of older boats the manufacture's sales tax which the GST replaced). You would need the original bill of sale to prove this. If the boat was shipped new directly to the US the tax was probably not paid as was the case in my situation. I registered CHEROKA before I brought her across the border. Customs collected the GST but not the PST. The new licensing system may have closed that loophole for all provinces (as you can see from Stephen's post BC found a way to collect PST but not all provinces did this for a registered vessel). If you licence a boat the PST is collected at that time.

                                                    John




                                                    From: Stephen Doyle
                                                    Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 9:02 PM
                                                    To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
                                                    Subject: [BYOR] Re: Last Question Registration / Licensing


                                                    When I bought my boat in BC and transferred the registration to my
                                                    name, the registration is what triggered the BC government that they
                                                    needed the PST. But I don't think GST is payable on a Canadian boat
                                                    bought in Canada. However I believe GST is payable on a Canadian boat
                                                    bought in the USA and I think this is payable at the port of entry.

                                                    Steve Doyle
                                                    Impulse III

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                                                  • Bruce Forbes
                                                    GST is payable only if you are bringing the boat into Canada.  If it was already here then you pay only PST. ... From: david clark
                                                    Message 25 of 25 , Nov 11, 2008
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                                                      GST is payable only if you are bringing the boat into Canada.  If it was already here then you pay only PST.

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                                                      From: david clark <dave_cda@...>
                                                      Subject: [BYOR] Last Question Registration / Licensing
                                                      To: bayfieldyachts@yahoogroups.com
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