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  • Tim Earley
    Kathy, OK great, thanks for the guidance. Perfectly clear! Tim ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
    Message 1 of 7 , Nov 4, 2010
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      Kathy,
      OK great, thanks for the guidance. Perfectly clear!

      Tim

      On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kathy Waters <kathy@...>wrote:

      >
      >
      > Tim,
      >
      > Good question. Unless you are having serious problems with the footwear,
      > test it without after market insoles, at least through the field report.
      > Obviously, BGT does not ask testers to suffer or injure themselve in the
      > name of testing, however adding insoles definitely alters the product being
      >
      > tested which is contrary to the objective of testing a product.
      >
      > If you wear the footwear through 12 weeks of testing and want to try out
      > insoles for comparison, a hike or two should suffice.
      >
      > Is that clear?
      >
      > Kathy
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Tim Earley" <timothy.earley@... <timothy.earley%40gmail.com>>
      > To: <backpackgeartesters@yahoogroups.com<backpackgeartesters%40yahoogroups.com>
      > >
      > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 8:04 PM
      > Subject: [backpackgeartesters] General Boot Test Question
      >
      > > Hey Everyone,
      > > I have a quick question regarding boot tests in general. Is the
      > > use of after-market insoles permitted? The reason I ask is I feel
      > > like the insoles in these boots are a potentially serious weak spot
      > > and would like to compare the boots with and without an after-market
      > > insole. In other words, I plan to test them as is but would like to
      > > then add the insole and compare the results. Could an authority
      > > please provide some guidance on this?
      > >
      > > Thanks in advance,
      > > Tim
      > >
      > > On Oct 30, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Nancy Griffith wrote:
      > >
      > >> Hi Ted,
      > >>
      > >> I've posted my IR for the Tecnica boots to the test folder. Here's
      > >> a link and
      > >> the text.
      > >>
      > >> Thanks for reviewing it and providing edits.
      > >>
      > >> Nancy
      > >>
      > >>
      > http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/test/TESTS/IR-Tecnica%20Cyclone%20Boots-Nancy%20Griffith/
      > >>
      > >> http://tinyurl.com/22psfq3
      > >>
      > >> TECNICA CYCLONE II MID GTX BOOTS
      > >> TEST SERIES BY NANCY GRIFFITH
      > >> IR
      > >> October 30, 2010
      > >>
      > >> TESTER INFORMATION
      > >>
      > >> NAME: Nancy Griffith
      > >> EMAIL: bkpkrgirlATyahooDOTcom
      > >> AGE: 44
      > >> LOCATION: Northern California, USA
      > >> GENDER: F
      > >> HEIGHT: 5' 6" (1.68 m)
      > >> WEIGHT: 130 lb (59.00 kg)
      > >>
      > >> My outdoor experience began in high school with involvement in a local
      > >> canoeing/camping group called Canoe Trails. The culmination was a
      > >> 10-day canoe
      > >> voyage through the Quebec wilds. I've been backpacking since my
      > >> college days in
      > >> Pennsylvania. I have completed all of the Appalachian Trail in
      > >> Georgia,
      > >> Tennessee and North Carolina. My typical trip now is in the Sierra
      > >> Nevada in
      > >> California and is from a few days to a week long. I carry a light
      > >> to mid-weight
      > >> load, use a tent, stove and hiking poles.
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> INITIAL REPORT
      > >>
      > >> PRODUCT INFORMATION & SPECIFICATIONS
      > >>
      > >> <<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "Tecnica Cyclone" IMAGE CAPTION =
      > >> "Photo courtesy
      > >> of Tecnica website.">>Manufacturer: Tecnica
      > >> Year of Manufacture: 2010
      > >> Manufacturer's Website: <<HYPERLINK GOES HERE -
      > >> "http://www.tecnicausa.com
      > >> " LINK
      > >> TEXT = "http://www.tecnicausa.com">>
      > >> MSRP: Not listed
      > >> Listed Weight: 420 g (14.8 oz)
      > >> Measured Weight: Left: 462 g (16.3 oz); Right: 457 g (16.1 oz)
      > >> Color Tested: Eucalyptus/Yellow
      > >> No other colors listed
      > >> Size Tested: Women's 9.5 M
      > >> Made in China
      > >> <<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "side view">>The Tecnica Cyclone II
      > >> Mid GTX boot
      > >> is a mid-height light hiking boot with Gore-Tex waterproof
      > >> breathable membrane.
      > >> The ankle collar is padded. The uppers are suede leather with mesh
      > >> and
      > >> webbing. The webbing creates five eyelets per side which continue
      > >> down the
      > >> sides across the mesh portion. The tongue is cushioned and has a
      > >> strip of
      > >> webbing up the center which provides an eyelet in the center toward
      > >> the toe and
      > >> at the 4th lace crossing to keep the tongue attached to the laces.
      > >> A wider
      > >> version of the same webbing is looped at the back of the heel to
      > >> create a loop
      > >> for pulling on the boot.
      > >> The rubber outsole wraps slightly over the middle of the toe and has
      > >> shallow
      > >> multi-directional lugs. The sole has a flat contour. There is a
      > >> hangtag
      > >> explaining the TRS (Tecnica Rolling System) which is an energy and
      > >> cushioning
      > >> system that provides forward energy transfer, comfort and grip. The
      > >> idea is
      > >> that the sole is fairly flat to allow for energy transfer and
      > >> provide a greater
      > >> surface area for better grip.
      > >> These boots use a slip lasted construction which means that they are
      > >> made by
      > >> sewing the upper into a sock which is then glued directly to the
      > >> mid- and
      > >> outsole without any board in between. This is typically used to
      > >> make a lighter
      > >> shoe. The midsole is made of a dual-response EVA (ethylene-vinyl
      > >> acetate) with
      > >> a TPU core. The footbed is PE (polyethylene)/EVA velveteen material.
      > >> <<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "insole">>The insole is removable and
      > >> is much
      > >> better constructed than those typical cardboard insoles. It is an
      > >> OrthoLite
      > >> performance insole and has a hangtag on the boots claiming that they
      > >> wick
      > >> moisture, provide long-lasting cushioning, inhibit odor and fungus
      > >> and allow air
      > >> flow for a cool foot. The insole is soft foam with a layer covering
      > >> the top of
      > >> the entire insole. From the middle to the rear there is a molded
      > >> support
      > >> portion attached underneath the foam. The forward portion has
      > >> multiple holes
      > >> going through for ventilation.
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> INITIAL IMPRESSIONS & TRYING THEM OUT
      > >>
      > >> <<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "top view">><<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT
      > >> TEXT =
      > >> "sole">><<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "tongue">>
      > >> My initial impression of the boots was how light the color is. They
      > >> are very
      > >> light beige which is nearly off-white in some areas. I know how
      > >> dirty my boots
      > >> get and wonder at the logic of having such light colored boots.
      > >> They look great
      > >> right now, so we'll see how they test.
      > >> I slipped them on and liked the fit right away. They are slightly
      > >> bigger than
      > >> what I normally wear which is what I was looking for in order to be
      > >> able to wear
      > >> thick winter socks with them. I am able to tighten the laces such
      > >> that they are
      > >> secure on my feet and don't slip around.
      > >> <<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "water test">>Since these boots are
      > >> Gore-Tex and
      > >> supposed to be waterproof, I filled an ice chest with water to about
      > >> the level
      > >> of the third eyelet. I wore black socks so that I could easily see
      > >> any moisture
      > >> that penetrated. There was no water ingress at all. I have done
      > >> this test with
      > >> other boots that I own when they were brand new. They did fine when
      > >> new but
      > >> then the waterproofness deteriorated and my feet were soaked on some
      > >> rainy
      > >> hikes. We'll see how these boots hold up over the test period.
      > >> They are somewhat different than what is advertised on the website
      > >> which can be
      > >> seen in the webbing, styling and in the different sole. See my
      > >> photos versus
      > >> the website photo.
      > >>
      > >> SUMMARY
      > >>
      > >> The Tecnica Cyclone II Mid GTX Hiking Boots seem to be solidly
      > >> built, rugged,
      > >> stylish, and light weight hiking boots.
      > >> Likes so far:
      > >> Waterproof
      > >> Stylish
      > >> Well-constructed
      > >> Concerns so far:
      > >> Light color showing dirt easily
      > >> This concludes my Initial Report. Check back in two months for my
      > >> Field
      > >> Report. Thanks to Tecnica and BackpackGearTest.org for allowing me to
      > >> participate in this test.
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> This report was created with the BGT Report Generator.
      > >> Copyright 2010. All rights reserved.
      > >>
      > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > ------------------------------------
      > >
      > > Yahoo! Groups Links
      > >
      > >
      > >
      >
      >
      >


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    • Edward
      Hi Nancy, No edits, so please upload at your convenience. Best, Ted
      Message 2 of 7 , Nov 13, 2010
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        Hi Nancy,

        No edits, so please upload at your convenience.

        Best,

        Ted

        --- In backpackgeartesters@yahoogroups.com, Nancy Griffith <bkpkrgirl@...> wrote:
        >
        > Hi Ted,
        >
        > I've posted my IR for the Tecnica boots to the test folder.  Here's a link and
        > the text.
        >
        > Thanks for reviewing it and providing edits.
        >
        > Nancy
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > http://tinyurl.com/22psfq3
        >
        > TECNICA CYCLONE II MID GTX BOOTS
        > TEST SERIES BY NANCY GRIFFITH
        > IR
        > October 30, 2010
        >  
        > TESTER INFORMATION
        >  
        > NAME: Nancy Griffith
        > EMAIL: bkpkrgirlATyahooDOTcom
        > AGE: 44
        > LOCATION: Northern California, USA
        > GENDER: F
        > HEIGHT: 5' 6" (1.68 m)
        > WEIGHT: 130 lb (59.00 kg)
        >  
        > My outdoor experience began in high school with involvement in a local
        > canoeing/camping group called Canoe Trails.  The culmination was a 10-day canoe
        > voyage through the Quebec wilds.  I've been backpacking since my college days in
        > Pennsylvania.  I have completed all of the Appalachian Trail in Georgia,
        > Tennessee and North Carolina.  My typical trip now is in the Sierra Nevada in
        > California and is from a few days to a week long.  I carry a light to mid-weight
        > load, use a tent, stove and hiking poles.
        >  
        >  
        > INITIAL REPORT
        >     
        > PRODUCT INFORMATION & SPECIFICATIONS
        >  
        > <<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "Tecnica Cyclone"  IMAGE CAPTION = "Photo courtesy
        > of Tecnica website.">>Manufacturer: Tecnica
        > Year of Manufacture: 2010
        > Manufacturer's Website: <<HYPERLINK GOES HERE - "http://www.tecnicausa.com" LINK
        > TEXT = "http://www.tecnicausa.com">>
        > MSRP: Not listed
        > Listed Weight: 420 g (14.8 oz)
        > Measured Weight: Left: 462 g (16.3 oz); Right: 457 g (16.1 oz)
        > Color Tested: Eucalyptus/Yellow
        > No other colors listed
        > Size Tested: Women's 9.5 M
        > Made in China
        > <<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "side view">>The Tecnica Cyclone II Mid GTX boot
        > is a mid-height light hiking boot with Gore-Tex waterproof breathable membrane. 
        > The ankle collar is padded.  The uppers are suede leather with mesh and
        > webbing.  The webbing creates five eyelets per side which continue down the
        > sides across the mesh portion.  The tongue is cushioned and has a strip of
        > webbing up the center which provides an eyelet in the center toward the toe and
        > at the 4th lace crossing to keep the tongue attached to the laces.  A wider
        > version of the same webbing is looped at the back of the heel to create a loop
        > for pulling on the boot.
        > The rubber outsole wraps slightly over the middle of the toe and has shallow
        > multi-directional lugs.  The sole has a flat contour.  There is a hangtag
        > explaining the TRS (Tecnica Rolling System) which is an energy and cushioning
        > system that provides forward energy transfer, comfort and grip.  The idea is
        > that the sole is fairly flat to allow for energy transfer and provide a greater
        > surface area for better grip.
        > These boots use a slip lasted construction which means that they are made by
        > sewing the upper into a sock which is then glued directly to the mid- and
        > outsole without any board in between.  This is typically used to make a lighter
        > shoe.  The midsole is made of a dual-response EVA (ethylene-vinyl acetate) with
        > a TPU core.  The footbed is PE (polyethylene)/EVA velveteen material.
        > <<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "insole">>The insole is removable and is much
        > better constructed than those typical cardboard insoles.  It is an OrthoLite
        > performance insole and has a hangtag on the boots claiming that they wick
        > moisture, provide long-lasting cushioning, inhibit odor and fungus and allow air
        > flow for a cool foot.  The insole is soft foam with a layer covering the top of
        > the entire insole.  From the middle to the rear there is a molded support
        > portion attached underneath the foam.  The forward portion has multiple holes
        > going through for ventilation.
        >
        >
        >  
        > INITIAL IMPRESSIONS & TRYING THEM OUT
        >  
        > <<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "top view">><<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT =
        > "sole">><<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "tongue">>
        > My initial impression of the boots was how light the color is.  They are very
        > light beige which is nearly off-white in some areas.  I know how dirty my boots
        > get and wonder at the logic of having such light colored boots.  They look great
        > right now, so we'll see how they test.
        > I slipped them on and liked the fit right away.  They are slightly bigger than
        > what I normally wear which is what I was looking for in order to be able to wear
        > thick winter socks with them.  I am able to tighten the laces such that they are
        > secure on my feet and don't slip around.
        > <<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "water test">>Since these boots are Gore-Tex and
        > supposed to be waterproof, I filled an ice chest with water to about the level
        > of the third eyelet.  I wore black socks so that I could easily see any moisture
        > that penetrated.  There was no water ingress at all.  I have done this test with
        > other boots that I own when they were brand new.  They did fine when new but
        > then the waterproofness deteriorated and my feet were soaked on some rainy
        > hikes.  We'll see how these boots hold up over the test period.
        > They are somewhat different than what is advertised on the website which can be
        > seen in the webbing, styling and in the different sole.  See my photos versus
        > the website photo.
        >  
        > SUMMARY
        >  
        > The Tecnica Cyclone II Mid GTX Hiking Boots seem to be solidly built, rugged,
        > stylish, and light weight hiking boots.
        > Likes so far:
        > Waterproof
        > Stylish
        > Well-constructed
        > Concerns so far:
        > Light color showing dirt easily
        > This concludes my Initial Report.  Check back in two months for my Field
        > Report.  Thanks to Tecnica and BackpackGearTest.org for allowing me to
        > participate in this test.
        >  
        >  
        >  
        > This report was created with the BGT Report Generator.
        > Copyright 2010.  All rights reserved.
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        >
      • Edward
        Hi Nancy, No edits, so please upload at your convenience. Best, Ted
        Message 3 of 7 , Nov 13, 2010
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          Hi Nancy,

          No edits, so please upload at your convenience.

          Best,

          Ted

          --- In backpackgeartesters@yahoogroups.com, Nancy Griffith <bkpkrgirl@...> wrote:
          >
          > Hi Ted,
          >
          > I've posted my IR for the Tecnica boots to the test folder.  Here's a link and
          > the text.
          >
          > Thanks for reviewing it and providing edits.
          >
          > Nancy
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > http://tinyurl.com/22psfq3
          >
          > TECNICA CYCLONE II MID GTX BOOTS
          > TEST SERIES BY NANCY GRIFFITH
          > IR
          > October 30, 2010
          >  
          > TESTER INFORMATION
          >  
          > NAME: Nancy Griffith
          > EMAIL: bkpkrgirlATyahooDOTcom
          > AGE: 44
          > LOCATION: Northern California, USA
          > GENDER: F
          > HEIGHT: 5' 6" (1.68 m)
          > WEIGHT: 130 lb (59.00 kg)
          >  
          > My outdoor experience began in high school with involvement in a local
          > canoeing/camping group called Canoe Trails.  The culmination was a 10-day canoe
          > voyage through the Quebec wilds.  I've been backpacking since my college days in
          > Pennsylvania.  I have completed all of the Appalachian Trail in Georgia,
          > Tennessee and North Carolina.  My typical trip now is in the Sierra Nevada in
          > California and is from a few days to a week long.  I carry a light to mid-weight
          > load, use a tent, stove and hiking poles.
          >  
          >  
          > INITIAL REPORT
          >     
          > PRODUCT INFORMATION & SPECIFICATIONS
          >  
          > <<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "Tecnica Cyclone"  IMAGE CAPTION = "Photo courtesy
          > of Tecnica website.">>Manufacturer: Tecnica
          > Year of Manufacture: 2010
          > Manufacturer's Website: <<HYPERLINK GOES HERE - "http://www.tecnicausa.com" LINK
          > TEXT = "http://www.tecnicausa.com">>
          > MSRP: Not listed
          > Listed Weight: 420 g (14.8 oz)
          > Measured Weight: Left: 462 g (16.3 oz); Right: 457 g (16.1 oz)
          > Color Tested: Eucalyptus/Yellow
          > No other colors listed
          > Size Tested: Women's 9.5 M
          > Made in China
          > <<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "side view">>The Tecnica Cyclone II Mid GTX boot
          > is a mid-height light hiking boot with Gore-Tex waterproof breathable membrane. 
          > The ankle collar is padded.  The uppers are suede leather with mesh and
          > webbing.  The webbing creates five eyelets per side which continue down the
          > sides across the mesh portion.  The tongue is cushioned and has a strip of
          > webbing up the center which provides an eyelet in the center toward the toe and
          > at the 4th lace crossing to keep the tongue attached to the laces.  A wider
          > version of the same webbing is looped at the back of the heel to create a loop
          > for pulling on the boot.
          > The rubber outsole wraps slightly over the middle of the toe and has shallow
          > multi-directional lugs.  The sole has a flat contour.  There is a hangtag
          > explaining the TRS (Tecnica Rolling System) which is an energy and cushioning
          > system that provides forward energy transfer, comfort and grip.  The idea is
          > that the sole is fairly flat to allow for energy transfer and provide a greater
          > surface area for better grip.
          > These boots use a slip lasted construction which means that they are made by
          > sewing the upper into a sock which is then glued directly to the mid- and
          > outsole without any board in between.  This is typically used to make a lighter
          > shoe.  The midsole is made of a dual-response EVA (ethylene-vinyl acetate) with
          > a TPU core.  The footbed is PE (polyethylene)/EVA velveteen material.
          > <<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "insole">>The insole is removable and is much
          > better constructed than those typical cardboard insoles.  It is an OrthoLite
          > performance insole and has a hangtag on the boots claiming that they wick
          > moisture, provide long-lasting cushioning, inhibit odor and fungus and allow air
          > flow for a cool foot.  The insole is soft foam with a layer covering the top of
          > the entire insole.  From the middle to the rear there is a molded support
          > portion attached underneath the foam.  The forward portion has multiple holes
          > going through for ventilation.
          >
          >
          >  
          > INITIAL IMPRESSIONS & TRYING THEM OUT
          >  
          > <<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "top view">><<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT =
          > "sole">><<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "tongue">>
          > My initial impression of the boots was how light the color is.  They are very
          > light beige which is nearly off-white in some areas.  I know how dirty my boots
          > get and wonder at the logic of having such light colored boots.  They look great
          > right now, so we'll see how they test.
          > I slipped them on and liked the fit right away.  They are slightly bigger than
          > what I normally wear which is what I was looking for in order to be able to wear
          > thick winter socks with them.  I am able to tighten the laces such that they are
          > secure on my feet and don't slip around.
          > <<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "water test">>Since these boots are Gore-Tex and
          > supposed to be waterproof, I filled an ice chest with water to about the level
          > of the third eyelet.  I wore black socks so that I could easily see any moisture
          > that penetrated.  There was no water ingress at all.  I have done this test with
          > other boots that I own when they were brand new.  They did fine when new but
          > then the waterproofness deteriorated and my feet were soaked on some rainy
          > hikes.  We'll see how these boots hold up over the test period.
          > They are somewhat different than what is advertised on the website which can be
          > seen in the webbing, styling and in the different sole.  See my photos versus
          > the website photo.
          >  
          > SUMMARY
          >  
          > The Tecnica Cyclone II Mid GTX Hiking Boots seem to be solidly built, rugged,
          > stylish, and light weight hiking boots.
          > Likes so far:
          > Waterproof
          > Stylish
          > Well-constructed
          > Concerns so far:
          > Light color showing dirt easily
          > This concludes my Initial Report.  Check back in two months for my Field
          > Report.  Thanks to Tecnica and BackpackGearTest.org for allowing me to
          > participate in this test.
          >  
          >  
          >  
          > This report was created with the BGT Report Generator.
          > Copyright 2010.  All rights reserved.
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          >
        • Nancy Griffith
          Hi Ted, Thanks for reviewing my IR.  I ve uploaded it and deleted the test file. See you in a few months. Nancy [Non-text portions of this message have been
          Message 4 of 7 , Nov 14, 2010
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            Hi Ted,

            Thanks for reviewing my IR.  I've uploaded it and deleted the test file.

            See you in a few months.

            Nancy





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