kevin walsh - jailed for 6 months with out a trial - political prisoner???
- i talked to someone who went to kevins hearing
yesterday. he said it wa pretty much a kangaroo
court. im repeating here what he told me.
secret service special agent Ray La beau
said that kevin was crazy and should be
two shrinks also said that kevin was
crazy and should be locked up.
the cops admitted that they had their
guns draw when they approched kevin
to arrest him. they also said that
kevin drew his gun when the cops
im not sure if there was a screw up
in that no arrest warrent was issued
for kevin. agent ray la buea said that
he was not aware that an arrest warrent
was required to detain kevin. i dont
know if this means that an arrest warrent
was needed to arrest kevin, but was not
no evidence was presented on kevin
committing any crimes or threating
kevin did have some type
of counsel to represent him. kevins
counsel said something to the effect
that kevins civil rights were being
but that didnt matter. the judge
ordered that kevin be locked up
in the mental hospital for up to
180 days at the descrition of the
people that run the mental hospital.
kevin can be contacted at:
or visited at:
Desert Vista Campus
Maricopa Medical Center
570 Brown Road
Government is the great fiction, through
which everybody endeavors to live at the
expense of everybody else.
Frederic Bastiat, French Economist (1801-1850)
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- This is indeed an ominous development.
Kevin's claims to the contrary notwithstanding, Kevin and I are
adversaries not allies. With a few exceptions (the war in Iraq and
self defense rights) we disagree on just about everything of
However, when the government can come in and lock someone up because
they don't like what the person said...to a telemarketer or anyone
else...the first amendment is dead. When they can lock up a person
for 6 months with no trial and no criminal charges just by asserting
they are "crazy"...the fifth and sixth amendments are dead. The
death of the bill of rights is something we've known in the abstract
for some time, but it certainly feels different when it's someone
you've met or debated extensively online as I have debated Kevin. I
would feel the same way about it whether the person was a
Republican, or a Democrat, or a Communist like Kevin, or a
Libertarian like me.
For the record, I do believe that Kevin is crazy. You have to be
crazy to praise the death and destruction that occurred on 9/11, and
you have to be crazy to view communism as anything other than the
oppressive tyranny that it has been in every country it has been
tried in. But then...I also believe that most Republican
politicians are crazy. You have to be crazy to think people you've
bombed and blockaded for a decade will welcome you with open arms,
and you have to be crazy to call yourself the party of smaller
government/limited government/whatever when you've grown government
at the fastest rate in recent history. And I also believe that most
Democratic politicians are crazy. You have to be crazy to think you
can reduce health care costs by getting the government more involved
with it, and you have to be crazy to think that disarming upstanding
citizens will somehow reduce crime.
People should not be locked up just because they're crazy. If that
were the standard, the majority of the population and almost all of
the politicians would have to be locked up. As crazy people go,
Kevin is one of the more lucid, articulate, and knowledgeable. :-)
There has to be a higher standard for locking people up than the
assertion that they are "crazy", specifically: They've either
committed a serious crime, or there is overwhelming evidence that
they're planning, ready, willing, and able to commit a serious
crime. Either way, there has to be a trial on the matter. If
they're truly dangerous (whether crazy or not) that can be
demonstrated at trial.
On the other hand, if they're crazy but not dangrerous, then the
government has no business locking them up. It's the "dangerous"
question that should be the issue, not the "crazy" question. It's a
pretty simple principle.
If Kevin was actually planning and capable of some real crime
against the president or anyone else, there are more than enough
laws to cover that sort of thing.
Instead, what this amounts to is the U.S. government taking a vocal
political dissident out of circulation for at least the duration of
an election. Without even bothering to trump up a charge!
Roll that one over in your mind a few times.
That I disagree with the majority of this particular political
dissident's political views, even to the point of considering
them "crazy", doesn't alter the fact that this action is something
we would expect to see out of a third-world tin-pot dictatorship or
(ironically) one of Kevin's beloved communist "worker's states" like
Cuba or North Korea. It's not something we should expect or stand
for in a country that calls itself the land of liberty.
You bet your ass Kevin is a political prisoner. That's exactly what
we're doing, too (betting our asses) because we could be next.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Mike Ross"
> i talked to someone who went to kevins hearing
> yesterday. he said it wa pretty much a kangaroo
> court. im repeating here what he told me.
> secret service special agent Ray La beau
> said that kevin was crazy and should be
> locked up.
> two shrinks also said that kevin was
> crazy and should be locked up.
> the cops admitted that they had their
> guns draw when they approched kevin
> to arrest him. they also said that
> kevin drew his gun when the cops
> approached him.
> im not sure if there was a screw up
> in that no arrest warrent was issued
> for kevin. agent ray la buea said that
> he was not aware that an arrest warrent
> was required to detain kevin. i dont
> know if this means that an arrest warrent
> was needed to arrest kevin, but was not
> no evidence was presented on kevin
> committing any crimes or threating
> the president.
> kevin did have some type
> of counsel to represent him. kevins
> counsel said something to the effect
> that kevins civil rights were being
> but that didnt matter. the judge
> ordered that kevin be locked up
> in the mental hospital for up to
> 180 days at the descrition of the
> people that run the mental hospital.
> kevin can be contacted at:
> or visited at:
> Desert Vista Campus
> Maricopa Medical Center
> 570 Brown Road
> Mesa, Arizona
> Government is the great fiction, through
> which everybody endeavors to live at the
> expense of everybody else.
> Frederic Bastiat, French Economist (1801-1850)
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