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Fwd: [arab_nationalist] "Denial": Re: Berg decapitation video was filmed inside the Abu Ghraib prison

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  • Kevin Walsh
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    Message 1 of 1 , May 19, 2004
      --- alloush100 <alloush100@...> wrote:
      > To: arab_nationalist@yahoogroups.com
      > From: "alloush100" <alloush100@...>
      > Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 20:34:42 -0000
      > Subject: [arab_nationalist] "Denial": Re: Berg decapitation video was
      > filmed inside the Abu Ghraib prison
      >
      > Dear Listmembers,
      >
      > I don't know if we all saw the same video, but this Aztlan character
      > might not have been watching, but listening to a voice in his head
      > urging denial.
      >
      > In a previous article, this guy said that sounds of Nick Berg's
      > screams were not synchronized with the decapitation! Hello, have
      > you thought about the possibility that the camera went out of focus
      > while this was going on?! If this video was manufactured by the
      > CIA, would it be of such poor quality? Moreover, there was plenty
      > of blood in the video I saw. I don't know what this guy means when
      > he says there was no blood gushing out. Despite the poor quality of
      > the video, you could see clearly that there was a trail of blood
      > tracing the path of the decapitated head.
      >
      > Either way, rather than dealing with the junk science associated
      > with psychological (and political) denial, I forward below a message
      > from a friend dealing with the issue of denial. I think it can
      > explain well where messages like Aztlan are coming from, even if you
      > disagree about other points that were raised:
      >
      >
      > Dear Ibrahim,
      >
      > "In the last few days I've seen a number of articles like this
      > one from leftists in the west asserting that the video
      > of the beheading of Berg is an American fake. (The
      > story below is just one random example that isn't too
      > long.)
      >
      > This is along the same lines, I believe, as the "9-11
      > denial" of Meyssan and others.
      >
      > On the one hand, it makes the Arabs and Muslims look
      > more "humane" to deny these things. On the other
      > hand, it makes them look impotent.
      >
      > And in both cases, I believe the evidence is pretty
      > strong saying that the deniers are wrong.
      >
      > At base it is simply that the left is very
      > uncomfortable with Islamists who are "anti-women,
      > anti-liberal, anti-secular," etc., etc.
      >
      > None of us is completely comfortable with the Taliban or even the
      > Ikhwan, for that matter. But the left never got under
      > the skin of the masses in the Arab World.
      >
      > And now after the "left" betrayed the masses on
      > Palestine, and after the secular
      > authoritarian regimes also failed them, more or less,
      > the leftist intellectuals want the masses to suddenly
      > think in secular class-conscious scientific terms.
      >
      > It ain't gonna happen. Not any time soon, anyhow.
      >
      > al-Qa'idah is popular because they're DOING something
      > and people notice that. They also take consistently
      > radical positions on politics that the other
      > organizations hesitate to do. ("No negotiations!" "No cease fire!")
      > The Baath in Iraq right now is consistently radical
      > too. But in Palestine certainly the PFLP and even
      > Hamas and the Islamic Jihad, who, every now and then
      > can be heard talking about cease fires with the
      > Zionists, etc., etc., are not as firm.
      >
      > I wish to God that revolution in the Third World were
      > as "simple and straightforward" as it seems to have
      > been in Europe (and actually Lenin, who led one such
      > revolution, always said it was NOT simple and straight
      > even there). But the European proletariat had the
      > advantage of going through the Enlightenment and
      > bourgeois revolutions before the proletarian one
      > emerged (and then petered out, too).
      >
      > Only the Third World runs straight from tribal,
      > patriarchal, feudalism into the modern era of
      > democratic revolution. And that tribal, patriarchal,
      > feudalism has been backed and supported by the liberal
      > imperial powers for over 100 years too.
      >
      > So not surprisingly, the masses will spontaneously try
      > to reach radical ideology as objective reality pushes
      > them to revolution. But they are compelled to do so
      > on their own, "spontaneously", using the ideological
      > tools they have - which religious tradition, mainly.
      >
      > Meaning that they do lots of things that western
      > "rationalist" leftists (and Arab leftists) find
      > "counterproductive," or "too violent," "brutal,"
      > "barbaric", etc., from veiling women and keeping them
      > out of the battle (sometimes, not always), to blowing
      > up Buddha statues, to beheading prisoners.
      >
      > And, by the way, as a matter of fact, there was lots
      > of talk in Islamic sources saying that the Resistance
      > should try to blow up Abu Ghurayb prison in order to
      > wipe out the "shame" there by killing all the raped
      > and abused inmates.
      >
      > I understand that kind of reasoning (because I know
      > where it comes from), but I personally reject it.
      > (Because real dishonour is about what one does, not
      > about what is done to one.) And in that context I
      > much prefer al-Qa'idah's cutting off Berg's head to
      > blowing up Abu Ghurayb to "preserve our honour." So
      > in that instance, actually, al-Qa'idah might be a bit
      > more enlightened than some of the other Islamists.
      >
      > Anyhow, my sense is that the left in the West
      > subjectively WANTS the Third World masses to embrace
      > western leftist ideology, and so they assume that any
      > deviation from that ideology must be a CIA plot, like
      > when an Islamist blows up a resourt hotel in Bali
      > because people drink, gamble, and wear bikinis there.
      >
      > (To say nothing of the fact that most Western leftists
      > are so far from armed struggle that the most militant,
      > "coercive" thing they're comfortable with is a protest
      > demonstration.)
      >
      > I think Fanon talked about the "native's" first type
      > of reaction to the colonialist on a reverse racist
      > basis and that sort of thing, which is similar to the
      > Islamist reaction. But Fanon's problem was that he
      > thought that after a couple years of Resistance
      > struggle, all the Algerian women would be liberated
      > and equal and Algerian society transformed into modern
      > socialism, and all the problems of false consciousness
      > and reverse racism, and backward thinking, and so on,
      > would be straigtened out.
      >
      > Alas, revolution is not so straight and easy, and
      > certainly not so quick, when we're talking about
      > transforming mass attitudes. And Fanon died (at age
      > 30 or something) before he had to come to terms with
      > all the hard and complex stuff.
      >
      > Anyhow, I suspect Aztlan is just responding to that
      > leftist subjectivism. Al-Qa'idah seems to them to be
      > the archetype of reactionary irrationalism and they
      > just can't make the leap to identifying with the guys
      > who pray in mosques and whose wives are veiled and who
      > blow up "infidels."
      >
      > And this subjective delusional "leftism" is getting more affirmation
      > in the globalist age when
      > imperialism and Zionism "champion" liberal rights and
      > when Islamists with an indeology from the Middle Ages
      > actually lead the struggle against imperialism."
      >
      > [End of message from a friend]
      >
      > Later
      > Ibrahim Alloush
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > --- In arab_nationalist@yahoogroups.com, arab lotfy <arabl@y...>
      > wrote:
      > >
      > >
      > > >
      > > > Berg decapitation video was filmed
      > > > inside the Abu Ghraib prison
      > > >
      > > > by
      > > > Hector Carreon
      > > > La Voz de Aztlan
      > > >
      > > > Los Angeles, Alta California - May 16, 2004 - (ACN)
      > > > There is now ample evidence that the video showing
      > > > the decapitation of 26 year old Nicholas Berg of
      > > > Philadelphia by purported Al queda members is a
      > > > complete fraud. The real Nick Berg may or may not be
      > > > dead, but the heavily edited video is nothing but a
      > > > fake. This is the conclusion of La Voz de Aztlan
      > > > after a frame by frame analysis and the conclusion of
      > > > hundreds of film, medical and other experts world
      > > > wide who downloaded, viewed and analyzed the video as
      > > > well. Literally thousands of persons world wide
      > > > requested the video, which is rapidly disappearing
      > > > from the Internet, after our news service published
      > > > "Nick Berg decapitation video declared a fraud by
      > > > medical doctor" on Wednesday May 12 and which was
      > > > linked by other independent news services on the
      > > > World Wide Web.
      > > >
      > > > With the advent of the Internet, computers and
      > > > sophisticated programs it has become increasingly
      > > > difficult for governments to "pull the wool" over the
      > > > eyes of their citizens. The Internet has essentially
      > > > allowed freedom loving people around the world to
      > > > form communication networks that can now out compete
      > > > the best intelligence government agencies or special
      > > > operations groups. This has certainly been the case
      > > > with the hastily released and shoddy video showing
      > > > five phoney Al queda members participating in the
      > > > decapitation of Nicholas Berg that was intended,
      > > > exclusively, to defray attention from the scandalous
      > > > sexual abuses of Iraqi POW's that took place at the
      > > > Abu Ghraib prison outside Baghdad. Evidence in fact
      > > > shows that the Berg decapitation was filmed inside
      > > > the walls of the notorious Abu Ghraib prison, this
      > > > cursed dungeon where probably Satan himself roams its
      > > > corridors.
      > > >
      > > > It is now known that the opportune decapitation video
      > > > was first uploaded from London, England to a now
      > > > defunct website in a server located in Malaysia. The
      > > > website at http://www.al-asnar.biz was shut down as
      > > > soon as conservative news outlets like CNN and Fox
      > > > News were notified. These two news services wasted no
      > > > time in coming out with headlines like "Islamic
      > > > Terrorists Decapitate an American in Iraq". Within
      > > > minutes, local news services from New York to Los
      > > > Angeles were screaming "Muslim Animals Chop Off the
      > > > Head of an American" and were showing only short
      > > > segments of the fake video. Pro-Zionist radio
      > > > stations in Los Angeles have spent literally days
      > > > since then talking about the Muslim barbarians and
      > > > why it is so important to support the war in Iraq.
      > > >
      > > > La Voz de Aztlan became mighty suspicious when we
      > > > first saw a photograph of the purported Nicholas Berg
      > > > sitting in front of his captors on a white plastic
      > > > chair that looked very familiar. In addition, the
      > > > orange prison overalls he was wearing in the video
      > > > looked mighty familiar as well. La Voz de Aztlan is
      > > > very lucky that we have a very large readership base
      > > > that utilizes both e-mail and our "News-Tips Form" on
      > > > our home page to send us information. Within minutes
      > > > we were sent the URL where we could download the
      > > > entire and original video of Nicholas Berg's
      > > > decapitation. Immediately after viewing the video, we
      > > > knew that many things about the video just didn't
      > > > look right and which defied simple logic.
      > > >
      > > > Some peculiar anomalies became readily apparent after
      > > > watching the video and others followed after careful
      > > > analysis. Many of the anomalies were pointed out to
      > > > us by our readers who responded after downloading and
      > > > viewing the video themselves. Please refer to the
      > > > photographs published, along with this article, on
      > > > our website at
      > > > http://www.aztlan.net/berg_abu_ghraib_video.htm as
      > > > these anomalies are described and enumerated below:
      > > >
      > > > 1. Notice the standard US Military Police issued
      > > > prisoner overalls that Nicholas Berg is wearing in
      > > > Photo 1. The orange color prisoner overalls that Nicholas
      > > > Berg is wearing are identical to the ones Islamic
      > > > prisoners are made to wear by the US Military Police
      > > > at the Guantanamo, Cuba prison as shown in Photo 2.
      > > >
      > > > 2. Notice the white plastic chair that Nicholas Berg
      > > > is sitting on as shown in Photo 1. It is identical to
      > > > the white plastic chair that the now infamous Pfc.
      > > > Lynddie England is sitting on at the Abu Ghraib
      > > > prison as shown in Photo 3. This same white plastic
      > > > chair can also be seen in the horrid photograph where
      > > > an MP is sodomizing an Iraqi POW with his finger at
      > > > the upper right corner of Photo 4. In addition, it
      > > > can be seen on the lower left side of Photo 5.
      > > >
      > > > 3. The color and texture of the wall as shown in the
      > > > frames taken from the video as shown in Photo 1 and
      > > > Photo 6 are the same as those of the Abu Ghraib
      > > > prison shown in Photo 4.
      > > >
      > > > 4. The most telling evidence that the video of the
      > > > decapitation of Nicholas Berg was taken inside the
      > > > Abu Ghraib prison can only be detected by performing
      > > > a frame by frame analysis. La Voz de Aztlan did just
      > > > that and some revealing frames came up that are
      > > > difficult to see if the video is played on normal
      > > > speed. Towards the end of the video, at frames 9306
      > > > through 9368, a person with a US military cap
      > > > temporarily pokes about a quarter of his left head
      > > > into the video. His neck, left ear and part of his
      > > > cap and visor can be seen. We have prepared an
      > > > animated gif with just the relevant frames that
      > > > clearly shows this at Animated Photo 7. Look at the
      > > > right hand side as someone with a military cap,
      > > > possibly with a second video camera, pokes his head
      > > > into the video. Compare this animated gif with the MP
      > > > whose cap is circled on Photo 4.
      > > >
      > > > Anyone who views the video will see that it is phoney.
      > > > The five so call terrorists are phoney. The one on
      > > > the extreme right in Photo 6 is pudgy and is wearing
      > > > very clean tennis shoes. This will not be the case
      > > > with an Al queda fighter. Also, Photo 6 shows that at
      > > > least three of them are wearing bullet proof vests.
      > > > Has anyone seen Al queda members wearing heavy and
      > > > cumbersome bullet proof vests? Look at the garb that
      > > > all five are wearing. They look like Halloween
      > > > costumes.
      > > >
      > > > For the time being, the mainstream media is totally
      > > > ignoring the above evidence. Hopefully soon some
      > > > brave mainstream publisher will dare to bring this
      > > > important information to the American people. The
      > > > nation needs to know who was and what really happened
      > > > to Nicholas Berg.
      > > >
      > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
      > > > La Voz de Aztlan
      > > > http://www.aztlan.net/berg_abu_ghraib_video.htm
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