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Re: [azsecularhumanists] Bremer not confident election can be rigged

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  • thekoba@aztecfreenet.org
    Mike, I have a confession to make. I very often DO vote Libertarian for just those reasons. I don t mean to imply that the two-party system cannot be
    Message 1 of 4 , Feb 18, 2004
      Mike, I have a confession to make. I very often DO vote
      Libertarian for just those reasons. I don't mean to imply
      that the two-party system cannot be overcome. I'm just
      pointing out why it hasn't been thus far.

      --Kevin

      >>but a slavish media and generous bourgeois campaign
      >>funding makes certain that no one other than the
      >>Democrats or the Republicans has a real chance at power.
      >
      >thats not true kevin. well it is true because
      >most people are brainwashed and think like
      >the statements you made.
      >
      >i know you dont agree with us libertarian on
      >all the issues, but if you voted libertarian
      >on issues that you aggree with such as gun
      >control, and all the other people who are
      >against gun control voted voted for the
      >libertarians on gun control issues the
      >"gun grabbing" republicans and democrats
      >would be quickly out of power.
      >
      >the problem is most people when they vote
      >try to pick the R or the D that they think
      >will cause the LEAST AMOUNT OF DAMAGE
      >instead of the libertarian that will set
      >them free.
      >
      >the republicans and democrats have fucked
      >this country up royal and flushed the
      >constition down the toilet. voting libertarian
      >for canidates that you agree with on issues
      >such as "gun control" certainly wont hurt
      >the country if a libertarian gets elected.
      >
      >
      >mike
      >
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      >From: thekoba@...
      >Sent: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:23:34 -0700 (MST)
      >To: azsecularhumanists@yahoogroups.com
      >CC: llnicol@..., nsubufa@...,
      >lilyasirah@...,vik777@...,
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      >Subject: [azsecularhumanists] Bremer not confident election can be
      >rigged
      >
      >
      >
      >
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      > � �
      > � �The following article, attributed to the Associated
      > � �Press, appeared on page A16 of the Monday, February
      > � �16, 2004 edition of the Arizona Republic. �Elections
      > � �in the USA are rigged all the time. �No, there's not
      > � �generally any stuffing of ballot boxes or flagrant
      > � �intimidation of voters, but a slavish media and
      > � �generous bourgeois campaign funding makes certain
      > � �that no one other than the Democrats or the
      > � �Republicans has a real chance at power. �Furthermore,
      > � �candidates are chosen for both parties who can be
      > � �relied upon to do the bidding of imperialism, so that
      > � �they are effectively the same party. �That Americans
      > � �tolerate this is evidence of how severely our
      > � �consciousness has been dulled. �Iraqis, however, faced
      > � �as they are with a murderous occupation, and
      > � �remembering the benefits Ba'ath socialism brought to
      > � �society, are not so easilly persuaded to vote as the
      > � �occupation media directs. �Indeed, they may well
      > � �boycott such illegitimate elections, as would be their
      > � �patriotic duty. �Thus Bremer doesn't even feel
      > � �sufficiently confident to deliver the forms and
      > � �outward signs of democracy. �A puppet government will
      > � �have to be appointed, not elected.
      > � �
      > � �--Kevin Walsh
      > � �
      > � �U.S. OPEN TO NEW PLAN FOR IRAQ TRANSFER
      > � �
      > � �Washington--The U.S. administrator in Iraq hinted
      > � �Sunday that the Bush administration might be open to
      > � �compromise on how the transfer of power to Iraqis
      > � �takes place.
      > � �
      > � �L. Paul Bremer also said the United States remains
      > � �committed to June 30 as the target date for the
      > � �transfer.
      > � �
      > � �The administration has insisted that sovereignty will
      > � �be surrendered through a process of caucuses to
      > � �choose representatives to appoint an Iraqi government
      > � �to be in place by July 1.
      > � �
      > � �Bremer raised the idea of alternatives during
      > � �appearances on two talk shows.
      > � �
      > � �"It may be different from the caucus plan. �It may be
      > � �a modified caucus plan. �It may be some sort of
      > � �partial elections," Bremer said. �"There are literaly
      > � �dozens of ideas around."
      > � �
      > � �The United States wants to see the recommendation of
      > � �the United Nations, which is coming through Secretary-
      > � �General Kofi Annan and Annan's envoy to Iraq, Lakhdar
      > � �Brahimi, Bremer said.
      > � �
      > � �The caucus plan has come into question because of the
      > � �opposition of Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Husseini al-
      > � �Sistani, the main leader of Iraq's Shiite Muslim
      > � �majority. �He has demanded the government be chosen
      > � �through full-fledged elections.
      > � �
      > � �
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      >
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    • mike ross
      ... i wasnt picking on you. but its a common argument people use to throw away their vote and vote for the lessor of the two evils with the intention that the
      Message 2 of 4 , Feb 18, 2004
        >Mike, I have a confession to make. I very often DO vote
        >Libertarian for just those reasons. I don't mean to imply
        >that the two-party system cannot be overcome. I'm just
        >pointing out why it hasn't been thus far.

        i wasnt picking on you. but its a common argument
        people use to throw away their vote and vote for
        the lessor of the two evils with the intention
        that the 3rd party guy cant win. we call it the
        "i dont want to waste my vote syndrome" when they
        vote for an R or D who sucks instead of the crazy
        3rd party guy who will set them free.

        mike


        ---- Begin Original Message ----

        From: thekoba@...
        Sent: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:32:12 -0700 (MST)
        To: azsecularhumanists@yahoogroups.com
        CC: alloush44@..., nebukhadhnasar@...,
        proton@...,cbpeek@...
        Subject: Re: [azsecularhumanists] Bremer not confident election can
        be rigged




        Mike, I have a confession to make.  I very often DO vote
        Libertarian for just those reasons.  I don't mean to imply
        that the two-party system cannot be overcome.  I'm just
        pointing out why it hasn't been thus far.

        --Kevin

        >>but a slavish media and generous bourgeois campaign
        >>funding makes certain that no one other than the
        >>Democrats or the Republicans has a real chance at power.
        >
        >thats not true kevin. well it is true because
        >most people are brainwashed and think like
        >the statements you made.
        >
        >i know you dont agree with us libertarian on
        >all the issues, but if you voted libertarian
        >on issues that you aggree with such as gun
        >control, and all the other people who are
        >against gun control voted voted for the
        >libertarians on gun control issues the
        >"gun grabbing" republicans and democrats
        >would be quickly out of power.
        >
        >the problem is most people when they vote
        >try to pick the R or the D that they think
        >will cause the LEAST AMOUNT OF DAMAGE
        >instead of the libertarian that will set
        >them free.
        >
        >the republicans and democrats have fucked
        >this country up royal and flushed the
        >constition down the toilet. voting libertarian
        >for canidates that you agree with on issues
        >such as "gun control" certainly wont hurt
        >the country if a libertarian gets elected.
        >
        >
        >mike
        >
        >---- Begin Original Message ----
        >
        >From: thekoba@...
        >Sent: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:23:34 -0700 (MST)
        >To: azsecularhumanists@yahoogroups.com
        >CC: llnicol@..., nsubufa@...,
        >lilyasirah@...,vik777@...,
        >kaiteki56zona8moshi5@...,deadnextdoor@...,
        >cbpeek@...
        >Subject: [azsecularhumanists] Bremer not confident election can be
        >rigged
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >    ================= Begin forwarded message =================
        >    
        >    The following article, attributed to the Associated
        >    Press, appeared on page A16 of the Monday, February
        >    16, 2004 edition of the Arizona Republic.  Elections
        >    in the USA are rigged all the time.  No, there's not
        >    generally any stuffing of ballot boxes or flagrant
        >    intimidation of voters, but a slavish media and
        >    generous bourgeois campaign funding makes certain
        >    that no one other than the Democrats or the
        >    Republicans has a real chance at power.  Furthermore,
        >    candidates are chosen for both parties who can be
        >    relied upon to do the bidding of imperialism, so that
        >    they are effectively the same party.  That Americans
        >    tolerate this is evidence of how severely our
        >    consciousness has been dulled.  Iraqis, however, faced
        >    as they are with a murderous occupation, and
        >    remembering the benefits Ba'ath socialism brought to
        >    society, are not so easilly persuaded to vote as the
        >    occupation media directs.  Indeed, they may well
        >    boycott such illegitimate elections, as would be their
        >    patriotic duty.  Thus Bremer doesn't even feel
        >    sufficiently confident to deliver the forms and
        >    outward signs of democracy.  A puppet government will
        >    have to be appointed, not elected.
        >    
        >    --Kevin Walsh
        >    
        >    U.S. OPEN TO NEW PLAN FOR IRAQ TRANSFER
        >    
        >    Washington--The U.S. administrator in Iraq hinted
        >    Sunday that the Bush administration might be open to
        >    compromise on how the transfer of power to Iraqis
        >    takes place.
        >    
        >    L. Paul Bremer also said the United States remains
        >    committed to June 30 as the target date for the
        >    transfer.
        >    
        >    The administration has insisted that sovereignty will
        >    be surrendered through a process of caucuses to
        >    choose representatives to appoint an Iraqi government
        >    to be in place by July 1.
        >    
        >    Bremer raised the idea of alternatives during
        >    appearances on two talk shows.
        >    
        >    "It may be different from the caucus plan.  It may be
        >    a modified caucus plan.  It may be some sort of
        >    partial elections," Bremer said.  "There are literaly
        >    dozens of ideas around."
        >    
        >    The United States wants to see the recommendation of
        >    the United Nations, which is coming through Secretary-
        >    General Kofi Annan and Annan's envoy to Iraq, Lakhdar
        >    Brahimi, Bremer said.
        >    
        >    The caucus plan has come into question because of the
        >    opposition of Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Husseini al-
        >    Sistani, the main leader of Iraq's Shiite Muslim
        >    majority.  He has demanded the government be chosen
        >    through full-fledged elections.
        >    
        >    
        >    __________________________________
        >    Do you Yahoo!?
        >    Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online.
        >    http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html
        >    
        >    
        >
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        >therefore an
        >emanation of virtue; it is less a particular principle than a
        >consequence of
        >the general principle of democracy applied to the most pressing
        >needs of the
        >fatherland." --Maximilien de Robespierre, 1794
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