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Re: Trotskyism to neoconservatism

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  • thekoba@aztecfreenet.org
    Dear Comrades, It is telling that it was in the 1840s that Marx wrote On the Jewish Question , an essay that few Marxists today bother to acknowledge and
    Message 1 of 3 , Oct 31, 2003
      Dear Comrades,

      It is telling that it was in the 1840s that Marx
      wrote "On the Jewish Question", an essay that few
      "Marxists" today bother to acknowledge and which
      definitely isn't flattering towards the Jews.
      If Hess influenced him on that, it can't have been
      in favour of that religion. As to the Trotskyite
      pathology of perpetual splitting, a good recent
      reference to that is <Monty Python's The Life of
      Brian> :-)

      Comradely,

      Kevin

      >Dear Ibrahim and Kevin,
      >
      >"Trotskyism," like "Marxism" itself, is a motley
      >movement. The people who grouped themselves around
      >Trotsky and Trotsky himself tend to put me off at
      >every turn in the road, not only on Palestine but on
      >China, the Third World, and lots of other issues. My
      >experience is that Trotskyites are frequently Jewish
      >as well, and that influences them to adopt the
      >economistic attitude that regards national struggle as
      >of no importance.
      >
      >But one cannot exclude revolutionary people being
      >attracted to Trotskyism as an apparently revolutionary
      >line in Marxism, particularly in situations where the
      >Trotskyites have appeared more revolutionary than the
      >official CPs. It is silly to remain stuck in old
      >debates.
      >
      >Trotsky advocated Zionism in Palestine. Stalin voted
      >to support the state of "Israel" but not to endorse
      >Zionism. Yet paradoxically, the Trotskyite parties in
      >the late 1940s seem to have taken a better position of
      >at least opposing Jewish immigration to Palestine at
      >that stage.
      >
      >But the problem of Jewish Zionist subversion of the
      >Communist movement and socialist states from within,
      >and the parallel problem of Trotsky working against
      >the USSR until his death in 1940 and subsequently of
      >Trotskyites claiming to be leftist but providing
      >ammunition for imperialism against real socialist
      >states is broader than just the Palestine or Arab
      >issues, it seems to me. But then, the issue of fake
      >"radicals" working for imperialism within the left is
      >a much broader issue than Trotskyism.
      >
      >Although Jews seem to be attracted to Trotsky, it is
      >not necessarily the case that everyone who is
      >attracted to Trotsky is Jewish or Zionist; they might,
      >like Pablo, be attracted for entirely legitimate
      >reasons, i.e., to promote a revolution where the
      >"Communist Parties" are failing to do so.
      >
      >Of course if people who are nominally Trotskyite take
      >firm stands for revolution and against imperialism and
      >Zionism that is fine with me and I'm not going to
      >worry if they are inspired by Trotsky or Stalin or
      >anybody else, so long as they don't try to blow up the
      >unity of a movement from within.
      >
      >Moses Hess is frequently raised by the rightists. His
      >name appears in Marx and Engels' early writings
      >(1840s) when he preached socialism. Note that both
      >Marx and Engels (who was not of Jewish origin) were
      >interested in Hess.
      >
      >(They were also interested in a lot of preachers of
      >socialism of that time, including Etienne Cabet who
      >brought together a bunch of people who all wore
      >uniforms and tried to set up a socialist colony in
      >North Texas. They failed, but Marx and Engels write
      >of trying very hard to meet him in Paris before he set
      >off with his messianic group. Actually, Marx and
      >Engels are quite generous with all these early
      >socialist pioneers, even though obviously Marx and
      >Engels would have differed with them in theory, but
      >they, in their young years, seem to have been
      >enthusiasts for all sorts of such experimenters.
      >
      >So they weren't only influenced by Hess. Anyhow,
      >after the 1840s Hess apparently gravitated towards
      >some sort of proto-Zionism and he disappears from Marx
      >and Engels' works.
      >
      >If one realizes how Marx's work matured after the
      >1840s, I think it's clear that Hess's influence was at
      >most some influence in their youth and that he was not
      >any kind of lasting ideological mentor to them. But I
      >have only begun to investigate this and I don't have
      >all the necessary resources.
      >
      >Best!
      >
      >Muhammad
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