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  • thekoba@aztecfreenet.org
    ================= Begin forwarded message ================= Dear Kevin and Eric, While I don t think that now is the best time to trash that SOB Edward Said,
    Message 1 of 2 , Sep 25, 2003
      ================= Begin forwarded message =================

      Dear Kevin and Eric,

      While I don't think that now is the best time to trash that SOB Edward Said,
      we need to keep in mind the following in addition to Muhammad's remarks
      about his intellectual works:

      1 - he was instrumental in building ties between the PLO and the American
      administration in the late Seventies.

      2 - he advocated coexistence with Zionists and cooperated with what he
      considered 'progressive Israelis' to normalize relations between them and
      Palestinians

      3 - he was vehmently anti-Islamist and anti-Arabist, especially against Arab
      and Islamist groups that advocated an uncompromising anti-imperialist and
      anti-Zionist line

      4 - he adopted the Hollowcause and promoted it amongst Palestinians and
      Arabs as a necessary theme of what he called the Palestinian-"Israeli"
      conflict

      5 - he condemned the human bombs tactic consistently

      6 - finally, to borrow from the message below:

      >His ideas on "Orientalism" had revolutionary
      >implications, in that he said that the congenital
      >racism and stereotyping characteristic of the
      >imperialist world was maintained not out of ignorance
      >but by the vested interests of power structures. Yet
      >he turned around and maintained that the way the
      >stereotypes and general division of the world
      >characteristic of Orientalism was to be overcome was
      >through education - as if the educational institutions
      >were not part of the vested intersts' power
      >structures

      See, this fits in nicely with a reformist line, but in conjunction with a
      defeatist political line, it becomes pure shit.

      Later
      Ibrahim
    • thekoba@aztecfreenet.org
      ================= Begin forwarded message ================= From: alloush44@hotmail.com ( Ibrahim Alloush ) To: thekoba@aztecfreenet.org,
      Message 2 of 2 , Sep 26, 2003
        ================= Begin forwarded message =================

        From: alloush44@... ("Ibrahim Alloush")
        To: thekoba@..., nebukhadhnasar@...
        Subject: Re: CNIF Mourns the Death of Edward Said
        Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:03:02 +0000


        Dear Kevin,

        Use the post below on Said if you will. It's slightly more elaborate.

        Later
        Ibrahim

        P.S. Feel free to remove Arabic text as necessary

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        Dear AN List members,

        I hesitated before writing the lines below for fear of offending those
        who have been shaken by the death of Edward Said. However, in view of
        some of the eulogies idifying Said, a greater fear became that the
        noble
        humanitarian sentiment over his death would be invested in the
        endorsement of his political line, which was generally defeatist and
        reactionary.

        While I don't think now is necessarily the best time to expose
        Edward Said political line, we need to keep in mind the following:

        1 - he was instrumental in building ties between the PLO and the
        American administration in the late Seventies, and in advocating a
        political solution sponsored by the United States.

        2 - he advocated coexistence with Zionists and cooperated with what he
        considered 'progressive Israelis' to normalize relations between them
        and Palestinians, including, for example, through musical concerts.

        3 - he was vehmently anti-Islamist and anti-Arabist, especially against
        Arab and Islamist groups that advocated an uncompromising
        anti-imperialist and anti-Zionist line. In 1998, for example, while
        American bombs were falling on Baghdad, he wrote calling on Iraq to
        abide by Security Council resolutions.

        4 - he adopted the Hollowcause and promoted it amongst Palestinians and
        Arabs as a necessary theme of what he called the Palestinian-"Israeli"
        conflict, where this alleged Hollowcause justifies Jewish settlement in
        Palestine. He was also one of the first to promote the suspicious
        misnomer "Palestinian-Israeli conflict".

        5 - he condemned the armed struggle, especially the human bombs tactic,
        consistently

        6 - finally, to borrow from my friend Muhammad Abu Nasr:

        >His ideas on "Orientalism" had revolutionary
        >implications, in that he said that the congenital
        >racism and stereotyping characteristic of the
        >imperialist world was maintained not out of ignorance
        >but by the vested interests of power structures. Yet
        >he turned around and maintained that the way the
        >stereotypes and general division of the world
        >characteristic of Orientalism was to be overcome was
        >through education - as if the educational institutions
        >were not part of the vested intersts' power
        >structures

        See, this fits in nicely with a reformist line, but in conjunction with
        a political line, as per the points raised above, it becomes pure
        defeatism.

        Later
        Ibrahim Alloush




        >From: thekoba@... (K J WALSH)
        >Reply-To: thekoba@...
        >To: nebukhadhnasar@...
        >CC: alloush44@..., AZ_Atheists@yahoogroups.com,
        >azsecularhumanists@yahoogroups.com
        >Subject: Re: CNIF Mourns the Death of Edward Said
        >Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 23:49:57 -0700 (MST)
        >
        > >
        > >Dear Kevin,
        > >
        > >Yes, although Edward Said made some good contributions
        > >to the study of the Third World and really shook up
        > >the academic world in the late 1970s, his political
        > >tracts never diverged from the view that armed
        > >struggle was hopeless for the Palestinians (and the
        > >Zionists) and thus the only way forward was for some
        > >sort of negotiated settlement that would leave the
        > >Jewish colony in Palestine intact.
        > >
        > >His ideas on "Orientalism" had revolutionary
        > >implications, in that he said that the congenital
        > >racism and stereotyping characteristic of the
        > >imperialist world was maintained not out of ignorance
        > >but by the vested interests of power structures. Yet
        > >he turned around and maintained that the way the
        > >stereotypes and general division of the world
        > >characteristic of Orientalism was to be overcome was
        > >through education - as if the educational institutions
        > >were not part of the vested intersts' power
        > >structures.
        > >
        > >CNIF, of course, endorses a two state solution and no
        > >doubt the Jews now will try to take Said's legacy and
        > >turn it into an icon of "love and understanding"
        > >between Palestinian and Zionist proving that they can
        > >all "get along together" in the land of
        > >"Israel"/Palestine. What good that Said contributed
        > >will be swept aside in favour of the crap he wrote
        > >either to stay afloat in the American academic world,
        > >or because of liberal, reformist illusions.
        >
        >Dear Eric,
        >
        >Thank you for this analysis. There is an element of
        >obligation among many to stress only the good aspects
        >of a life lived and ignore the evil and the counter-
        >productive when someone dies. While this may comfort
        >the relatives and friends, that is not our purpose.
        >We must objectively and ruthlessly analyse Dr. Said's
        >life, his shortcomings and his achievements, if we
        >are to impart to others a true understanding of his
        >role. Unfortunately in his case the product of his
        >life was primarilly negative and reactionary. Still,
        >a negative example can at times be as useful as a
        >positive one. I appreciate Dr. Alloush's comments
        >also and shall forward those to the lists. We say
        >in earnest what Mark Antony said in sarcasm, "I come
        >to bury Caesar, not to praise him."
        >
        >Comradely,
        >
        >Kevin

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