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From: thekoba@... (K J WALSH)
Subject: Re: Mike Ross confirms this is the Libertarian Party platform
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>Somewhere I have a Nazi-era silver Mark coin and
>around the edge is the motto in Gothic German print
>"Gemeinutz geht vor Eigennutz" "Common good goes
>before personal good."
>We can look at that as a slogan the Nazis used to get
>workers to sacrifice for the bourgeois order. Yet as
>a principle it has merit. I'm afraid I see no merit
>in price gouging.
>Also Anatole France once said something about how
>under capitalism the rich and poor alike are free to
>sleep under bridges. To talk about it being one's
>"free choice" to pay $4 for petrol is self delusion.
>Given that high prices for what are here necessities
>can actually affect the livelihood of millions of
>people, it seems to me also that the principle of the
>government protecting the population would come into
>play here. Or else maybe Libertarians should agree to
>exclude government from crisis management but then do
>so themselves by voluntarily keeping a lid on fuel
>prices rather than profiteering from them. But I
>suppose price gouging is what some folks call
>Well, I don't pretend to be a libertarian.
Well I had thought earlier that the Libertarians were of the
view that the free market works best under ordinary circumstances
but would not mind regulation of the market in times of crisis.
It seems I was mistaken. The Libertarians have plenty of friends
on this particular issue. A couple letters to the editor have
called for higher priced gasoline to cut down on waits in line.
I'm sure there is a large class of people, particularly in
Scottsdale and Paradise Valley, who could afford $4 gasoline and
still take their pleasure trips to the lake and the high country.
They just don't want to wait in line with the riff-raff who now
won't be able to afford it.
I do remember reading one possible solution that might be
compatable with Libertarian thought, however. One motorist
said, "I'll pay the higher prices now, because I have no choice,
but when this is over, I'll remember which stations gouged prices,
and those stations will never have my business again." Rather
than defending the right of these people to price gouge, the
Libertarians would do better to organise a permanent boycott of
those who choose to gouge as an alternative to government
laws against gouging. I know of one Libertarian-dominated group
in Tucson that has a list of businesses that ban firearms to
boycott, even while respecting their private property rights to
ban firearms. Perhaps the local Libertarians can compile such
a list of price-gouging gas stations.
As to the Anatole France quote, I remember it, and it is often
misquoted in the way you did. It does make a point the way you
say it, but it makes an even stronger point the way Anatole France
originally said it, "Both the rich and the poor are FORBIDDEN to
sleep under bridges, but for the rich this law poses no inconvenience,
while for the poor, it is a matter of survival." After all, a rich
man generally has shelter at his disposal, while for a poor man, a
bridge may be the only shelter on a stormy night.