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Re: Kirkuk handed to Kurds in rigged election

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  • thekoba@aztecfreenet.org
    ... Dear Eric, This is an important point that I neglected to mention. Glad you brought it up. President Hussein ordered Iraqis to boycott the occupiers in
    Message 1 of 3 , May 25, 2003
      >I wonder also about how many people refuse to go along
      >with "elections" that are patently in the hands of the
      >Americans. I suspect there are some who wouldn't
      >deign to be candidates or functionaries under the US

      Dear Eric,

      This is an important point that I neglected to mention.
      Glad you brought it up. President Hussein ordered Iraqis
      to boycott the occupiers in every way, and that would
      certainly include not participating in any "elections" the
      occupiers staged. Quite probably most citizens of Kirkuk,
      Arab and Kurdish, did not participate in this election.
      Further, it is noteworthy from the original article that
      all candidates were U.S.-approved, so obviously no candidate
      who would advocate resistance (even non-violent resistance)
      to the occupation would be among the candidates.



      >I would think that it would be in the interests of big
      >oil and Zionism to divide the oil areas of Iraq, so
      >that Kirkuk could go to Kurds, while the south could
      >go to the Shiites. The problem with the Kirkuk
      >settlement is that Turkey has been very adamant about
      >not letting the Kurds in Northern Iraq pick up any
      >ground or increase their power. Unfortunately for
      >Ankara, it looks like their big friends in Washington
      >and Tel Aviv have treated them like second-rate
      >partners again. Who would have expected??!! :-)
      >One would hope they'd figure out what's going on, but
      >I think that the Turkish ruling classes have long ago
      >decided that being a second rate servant for America
      >is better than being a first rate rebel. Turkish
      >masses might have other ideas if they have the time
      >and freedom to use their own heads, but generally they
      >lack the one or the other or both, given that they
      >have to scrounge most humiliatingly just to eke out a
      >living wage while the wealthy live like Americans.
    • mike ross
      i think the word democracy should mean an american puppet government that will allow us to steal their oil and micromanage their lives. nothing more
      Message 2 of 3 , May 27, 2003
        i think the word "democracy" should
        mean an "american puppet government"
        that will allow us to steal their oil
        and micromanage their lives. nothing
        more nothing less.

        this war was not about bring freedom
        to the iraqi people. its about stealing
        their oil.


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        From: thekoba@...
        Sent: Sun, 25 May 2003 15:18:23 -0700 (MST)
        To: azsecularhumanists@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [azsecularhumanists] Kirkuk handed to
        Kurds in rigged election

           In a sign of what American "democracy" is
        going to look like, candidates with
           Ba'ath backgrounds were excluded in city
        council elections, and Americans
           pushed through a slate of their Kurdish
        lackeys.  The following article
           appeared on page A6 of the Sunday, May 25,
        2003 edition of The Arizona
           --Kevin Walsh
           By Louis Meixler
           Associated Press
           Kirkuk, Iraq--U.S.-backed voting in northern
        Iraq's main oil city ended
           Saturday with shouting, threats of an Arab
        walkout and interference by an
           American general, signs of ethnic divisions
        and a sense of powerlessness that
           the voting was meant to overcome.
           U.S. officials had pointed to the balloting
        for an interim City Council as
           a step toward resolving tensions that could
        disrupt the stability of Kirkuk,
           with its explosive ethnic mix and enormous
        oil wealth.  Delegates in Mosul
           this month elected a similar council to
        handle municipal affairs in what was
           called the first free voting in Iraq in
           But even before the voting started, five
        Arab delegates were detained by
           U.S. soldiers and taken from the municipal
        building in plastic handcuffs.
           U.S. military intelligence officials were
        questioning them for suspected ties
           to Saddam Hussein's Baath Party.
           After the voting, Major General Ray Odierno,
        commander of the Fourth
           Infantry Division and the U.S. military
        leader in the area, ejected two
           independent delegates from the auditorium
        where the vote was announced
           for shouting their objections.
           "If this is democracy, it isn't worth five
        fils (a nickel)," said Abdel Karim
           Habib, a former political prisoner who was
        an independent elector Saturday.
           But Nasser Ali, an Islamic preacher and
        independent delegate, saw it
           "We want to move toward democracy," he
        said, "but some people want to create
           At issue is the sensitive issue of the
        council's ethnic makeup.
           Kirkuk is sharply divided between ethnic
        Kurds and Arabs.  Saddam expelled
           about 100,000 Kurds from the area as part of
        a policy to change the city's
           ethnic balance in favor of Arabs, who were
        given cash rewards for moving in.
           [That is a lie.  --K.W.]
           Since Saddam's fall, though, Kurds have
        flocked back to Kirkuk, and Arabs
           who moved to the city say Kurds have been
        shooting in their neighbourhood
           and trying to intimidate them into
        leaving.  Last weekend, those tensions
           exploded and 11 people were killed in
        clashes between Kurds and Arabs.
           Saturday's balloting took into account the
        ethnic split.  Thirty-nine U.S.-
           OK'd electors from each of the city's main
        ethnic groups--Kurds, Arabs,
           ethnic Turks and Chrisitans [Christians are
        not an ethnic group, but that
           is the line of the author.  --K.W.]--voted
        for six council members from their
           ethnic group.  Six independents were also
        chosen from a U.S.-approved list of
           The council is expected to choose a mayor by
           When the names of the independent delegates
        were announced and it was clear
           there were no Arabs among them, members of
        the Arab delegation reacted with
           "There is no justice, no fairness," one Arab
           "That is how democracy works," Odierno
        replied to applause from independents.
           Odierno must name the independent delegates
        and said he would not decide
           until today whether he would accept the
        results of the balloting or choose
           other members.
           "When I make my decision tomorrow," he said
        Saturday, "everyone must abide
           by it."
           That was met by applause from the Arabs but
        silence from Kurds and


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        that is LIBERTY. When people fear the
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