Re: [AZ] R. colemanii articles
I have crosssed R. colemanii 'Fountain' X 'Rosey Cheeks' (Beasley) with great results. Very fragrant and vigorous growing. I'm bringing three of these hybrids to the convention in Ashville. I can grow the now-called new species, R. colemanii without very much difficulty in Southeast Louisiana. I have never been successful growing R. eastmanii. Plants from a selfed colemanii, white with large gold blotch, have produced extremely nice plants that vary from white to deep pink. All these seedlings have the gold blotch.
However the most striking trait I find with colemanii is the intense fragrance.
On another topic, has anyone read the article out of Japan concerning evergreen X deciduous azalea hybrids that have produced evergreen type plants with arborescens type fragrance. Very interesting.
Looking forward to a great convention this year in Ashville.
Buddy----- Original Message ----
From: Mike Creel <mikeacreel@...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:35:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AZ] R. colemanii articles
I am still reading the two articles with great
interest. I do wish someone had asked me or Dr.
Charles Horn at Newberry College to provide buds of
eastmanii for testing. I do not know the provenance
of eastmanii grown at the RSF. In the early days some
Dubious eastmanii was distributed.
As for as fertility and crossability of the new
species R. colemanii, I would think that individual
plants are probably self-infertile, as most pure
native azalea species seem to be; that related plants
such as siblings are fully fertile in intra-species
crosses; that any of the tetraploid native azalea
species (austrinum, calendulaceum, atlanticum and some
tet occidentale) will hybridize with it; and that
known tetraploid species or groups like R. luteum, the
Exbury azaleas, the Dodd austrinum X Exbury group and
thw Aromi austrinum Exbury group. Colemanii might
also hybridize with tet evergreen azalea varieties.
Mike Creel, Lexington, SC
--- jwillhite@comcast. net wrote:
> My ARS Journal arrived last night, and I read withSteve or Ron or anyone
> interest the two articles on R. colemanii.
> Congratulations to Steve Yeatts and Ron Miller and
> the others on the discovery and the articles.
> The discussion placing the new species with a group
> of tetraploid azaleas was very interesting, although
> much of that particular discussion sailed over my
> head. What should this information mean for the
> gardener trying incorporate the new species into a
> garden ? Does it tell you whether the plant can
> self pollinate? does it tell you which azaleas r.
> colemanii will cross with, and which it will not
> cross with?
> I'd also love to hear from
> else with experience how the species performs in the
> garden, and whether there are superior (for the
> garden) forms?
> thanks, looking forward to seeing many of you at the
> jim willhite
> west chester, pa
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- From the photos I have seen of outstanding colemanii
varieties, I hope that someone takes on the mission of
propagating the best ones and making the available to
the few gardeners who prefer natives. There seems to
be a lot of exceptional colemanii forms without ever
having to create new forms outside the species.
I am sorry to hear that Buddy Lee has not been able to
grow R. eastmanii in southeast Lousiana. Suprisingly
to me, eastmanii has done well in the hot, humid,
often dry sandhills of my woods in Lexington County,
SC, pretty much everywhere I plant it. I usually put
seashells and pieces of fresh concrete or mortar in
the mulch area around plants.
Eastmanii is particularly curious in one respect: it
is a piedmont species that also ranges well down into
the coastal plain of South Carolina, often in areas
with marl limestone. Not that far from our coast is
the population of eastmanii at Santee State Park near
Buddy, do you have any idea why your eastmanii plants
died? Did you start with plants or seeds and where
did they come from? Seeds from coastal plain sites
might work better. Did you use normal greenhouse
methods for growing the seeds? My outdoor seed pots
with a sprinkle of local azalea humus seem to produce
a high percentage of seedlings for me.
My two oldest plants of what is now considered
colemanii are two 1999 Monroe County seedlings from
John Thornton, which only now are looking strong
enough to flower. They are in a drought affected
site, now receiving better rains.
Buddy, I cannot comment on colemanii fragrance YET,
but it will have to be something to equal or exceed
eastmanii. I have been in the woods with botanists
and fragrance was how we found eastmanii. In my woods
with just 4 or so mature plants, the scent is
inescapable within the 7 acres. Have you visited an
eastmanii native stand in peak of flower? It is no
place for those with smell allergies.
I have all the native azalea species in the ground,
but have yet to experience the bloom of prinophyllum,
occidentale or colemanii. Canadense seems to have no
fragrance, which is odd. Vaseyii has no fragrance I
an detect. Nor calendulaceum or cumberlandense.
I wish someone could provide the exact reference for
the article out of Japan concerning evergreen X
deciduous azalea hybrids that have produced evergreen
type plants with arborescens type fragrance. I have a
few friends in horticulture research over they than
can probably find it.
Mike Creel, Lexington, SC
--- Buddy Lee <robert03asa@...> wrote:
> I have crosssed R. colemanii 'Fountain' X 'Rosey
> Cheeks' (Beasley) with great results. Very fragrant
> and vigorous growing. I'm bringing three of these
> hybrids to the convention in Ashville. I can grow
> the now-called new species, R. colemanii without
> very much difficulty in Southeast Louisiana. I have
> never been successful growing R. eastmanii. Plants
> from a selfed colemanii, white with large gold
> blotch, have produced extremely nice plants that
> vary from white to deep pink. All these seedlings
> have the gold blotch.
> However the most striking trait I find with
> colemanii is the intense fragrance.
> On another topic, has anyone read the article out of
> Japan concerning evergreen X deciduous azalea
> hybrids that have produced evergreen type plants
> with arborescens type fragrance. Very interesting.
> Looking forward to a great convention this year in