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  • Jim Willhite
    Apr 5, 2010
      A single 6' fence was effective for me.
      jim willhite
      west chester, pa


      On Sunday, April 4, 2010, at 12:41 PM, Barry Sperling wrote:

      > My county (Fairfax, VA) limits fence heights to 6 ft. Could 2 6'
      > fences,
      > say 3' or 4' apart, be effective?
      > Barry
      >
      > Whipple, Andy wrote:
      >>
      >> This is an intriguing discussion as it suggests there may actually be
      >> a fairly simple way to deter deer from eating all our precious plants.
      >> Can anyone provide some actual experience beyond the previous emails?
      >> That is, how low can two fences be (and how far apart) to be
      >> effective? Does the outward slant reduce the necessary height? I'm
      >> seeking (as we all are!) the greatest effect for the least expenditure
      >> of time and money. My situation is out in the woods, with no grass to
      >> tend to, so the slant idea may be just fine if it's effective.
      >>
      >> Who has some actual experience beyond what Steve and George have
      >> reported?
      >>
      >> Thanks to all.
      >>
      >> Andy Whipple
      >>
      >> in Indiana but may be in the mountains in a bit.
      >>
      >> -----Original Message-----
      >> From: azaleas@yahoogroups.com <mailto:azaleas%40yahoogroups.com> on
      >> behalf of Steve Henning
      >> Sent: Sat 4/3/2010 10:50 PM
      >> To: azaleas@yahoogroups.com <mailto:azaleas%40yahoogroups.com>
      >> Subject: Re: [AZ] Deer Fence
      >>
      >> We use a similar concept in the East with our white-tail deer, except
      >> the fences are closer together and the reason is not that they can't
      >> but that they won't. I have seem them jump a 6' fence effortlessly
      >> just standing next to the fence. They don't run, they just spring over
      >> like a standing high jump. But if they don't see a clear place to
      >> land, they won't try the jump. The most effective fences are slanted
      >> at a 45 degree angle up and out toward the deer. The deer don't do
      >> running broad jumps, just simple up and overs unless the are
      >> frightened. The lateral distance of the slant fences stops them cold.
      >>
      >> I personally don't want a slant fence because I don't want to have to
      >> take care of the area under such a fence. Typically they use something
      >> like roundup or stronger.
      >>
      >> White-tail deer will try to go under first. Jumping is their last
      >> resort. They are much better jumpers than they realize, fortunately.
      >> Most deer fences are black because deer won't jump a fence unless they
      >> can see the top. With the black fence it is much harder to see the
      >> top, especially at night when they do the most damage.
      >>
      >> steve
      >>
      >> --- In azaleas@yahoogroups.com <mailto:azaleas%40yahoogroups.com>,
      >> George Klump <mixturev@...> wrote:
      >>>
      >>> 3 April 2010
      >>>
      >>> I didn't really want to get into this discussion about deer fences.
      >>> However, experience here has given at least one possible solution and
      >>> the forestry boys evidently back it up.
      >>>
      >>> Deer need some take-off room to jump any fence. Many people here are
      >>> losing azaleas, roses and anything deer love to eat, since we're all
      >>> close to the mountains where the deer roam freely. The only real
      >>> solution which for most people is not really practical is to build
      >>> two
      >>> fences within, say, 8 feet of each other, e.g. concentric style. If
      >>> the
      >>> distance between the two fences is 8 feet or less and the fences are
      >>> equally high, the deer will not jump them. Why? Because according to
      >>> some of the forestry boys who have apparently done this, the deer
      >> cannot
      >>> jump over two fences spread apart like this. They will land in
      >>> between
      >>> the two fences which traps them, since they cannot jump over two
      >>> fences
      >>> spread out in this manner and they do not have enough take-off room
      >>> to
      >>> make it over the second fence, if they did jump the first one. Being
      >>> trapped between two fences with no way out panics the be-junior out
      >>> of
      >>> deer, since their basic theme song is the old popular classic "Don't
      >>> Fence Me In". I suspect this works with any fence, chain-link, wood,
      >>> log, etc. It is in any event humane, so the government can do nothing
      >>> about it. Anyway, it was an idea which I got from the forestry boys.
      >>>
      >>> George Klump
      >>> Southern California Chapter, ARS/ASA
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> On 4/3/2010 12:23 PM, sjperk5 wrote:
      >>>>
      >>>> Steve
      >>>>
      >>>> I would be willing to fight the deer but I would not be willing to
      >>>> go
      >>>> to the effort of fighting our multiple levels of nanny state
      >>>> government to do so.
      >>>>
      >>>> Being an Indiana farmboy at heart my position is animals that
      >>>> destroy
      >>>> your property have to be taken care of no questions asked.
      >>>>
      >>>> You put up fences to keep your animals in not to keep other
      >> animals out.
      >>>>
      >>>> John Perkins
      >>>> Salem, NH
      >>>>
      >>>> --- In azaleas@yahoogroups.com <mailto:azaleas%40yahoogroups.com>
      >> <mailto:azaleas%40yahoogroups.com>,
      >>>> "sjperk5" <sjperk5@> wrote:
      >>>>>
      >>>>> Steve
      >>>>>
      >>>>> Put in simple terms if we had deer we would stop gardening and work
      >>>> at removing their food supply.
      >>>>>
      >>>>> Then I would see a lawyer and start a class action suit against
      >> Disney.
      >>>>>
      >>>>> John Perkins
      >>>>> Salem,NH
      >>>>>
      >>>>> --- In azaleas@yahoogroups.com
      >> <mailto:azaleas%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:azaleas%40yahoogroups.com>,
      >>>> "Steve Henning" <rhodyman@> wrote:
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>> Hi John,
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>> It is not only woody plants, it is annuals, perennials, and grass
      >>>> also. Deer only have biting teeth on their lower jaw, so they don't
      >>>> bite, they rip plants apart. I don't think anyone would want to take
      >>>> the effort to dig up our leafless twigs.
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>> The fence man came out yesterday to give me an estimate. He uses
      >>>> an 8-foot hi-tensile black wire mesh fencing stretched between wood
      >>>> posts that are 24' apart except adjacent to corners and gates where
      >>>> they are typically 12' apart. We don't want the fence in front of
      >>>> our
      >>>> house, so we will run the fence from the sides of the house and then
      >>>> out around our 1.5 acre landscaped area. The 70' front of our house
      >>>> will be exposed. If necessary we can use netting or sprays there.
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>> Along the short side in front we will use a split rail facade and
      >>>> on the long side paint the wood posts black.
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>> A neighbor has this type of fence around a 2 acre organic produce
      >>>> farm.
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>> Some people here are putting deer fencing around small plots to
      >>>> see what native plants have disappeared from the landscape.
      >> Amazingly,
      >>>> many native plants that are no longer seen in the wild do come back.
      >>>> There must be seeds still coming from areas that the deer don't take
      >>>> the effort to get to.
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>> Hopefully, in 2 weeks we will be able to sit back and enjoy our
      >>>> rhododendrons as they try to grow back a leaf or 2. Who knows, we
      >>>> may
      >>>> even get a truss or two.
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>> In college we had a freezer locker and kept it full of
      >> venison. We
      >>>> lived on venison. I don't relish going back to those days. The best
      >>>> venison tastes just like beef. The worst doesn't. Brush fed venison
      >>>> doesn't. That is why they have books of recipes on how to kill the
      >> taste.
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>> Steve in Southeastern PA
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>> --- In azaleas@yahoogroups.com
      >> <mailto:azaleas%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:azaleas%40yahoogroups.com>,
      >>>> "sjperk5" <sjperk5@> wrote:
      >>>>>>>
      >>>>>>> My plan for deer control in the event we ever have this problem
      >>>> is pretty simple. The spring after the damage I will put out a call
      >>>> saying that every woody plant in the yard is available free to
      >> whoever
      >>>> wishes to dig them.
      >>>>>>>
      >>>>>>> My yard is simply not shaped right to justify fencing it.
      >>>>>>>
      >>>>>>> Take a way the food and there will be no deer.
      >>>>>>>
      >>>>>>> John Perkins
      >>>>>>> Salem, NH
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>
      >>
      >>
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      Jim Willhite
      West Chester, PA
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