14118Re: [AZ] Deer Fence
- Apr 4, 2010I would think so, Andy. But Steve has a good idea, too, about slanting the second fence. Why not slant the second fence at about 45 degrees? I would slant it so that the top edge is at your 6-ft. limit and probably a few feet back from the vertical fence. And, again, as Steve suggested, paint the fences black to confuse the deer, especially at night. The only problem with all of this, as I suggested earlier, is that it takes some room to pull this off. Not everyone wishes to spare that much property. However, I would think, too, that sloping the second fence away from the first one may make it more confusing for the deer, since it would be a wider area and it would prevent the deer from seeing landing lights. They do not like to jump blind in the dark!
Southern California Chapter, ARS/ASA
On 4/4/2010 9:41 AM, Barry Sperling wrote:
My county (Fairfax, VA) limits fence heights to 6 ft. Could 2 6' fences, say 3' or 4' apart, be effective? Barry Whipple, Andy wrote:
This is an intriguing discussion as it suggests there may actually be a fairly simple way to deter deer from eating all our precious plants. Can anyone provide some actual experience beyond the previous emails? That is, how low can two fences be (and how far apart) to be effective? Does the outward slant reduce the necessary height? I'm seeking (as we all are!) the greatest effect for the least expenditure of time and money. My situation is out in the woods, with no grass to tend to, so the slant idea may be just fine if it's effective. Who has some actual experience beyond what Steve and George have reported? Thanks to all. Andy Whipple in Indiana but may be in the mountains in a bit. -----Original Message----- From: firstname.lastname@example.org <mailto:azaleas%40yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Steve Henning Sent: Sat 4/3/2010 10:50 PM To: email@example.com <mailto:azaleas%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AZ] Deer Fence We use a similar concept in the East with our white-tail deer, except the fences are closer together and the reason is not that they can't but that they won't. I have seem them jump a 6' fence effortlessly just standing next to the fence. They don't run, they just spring over like a standing high jump. But if they don't see a clear place to land, they won't try the jump. The most effective fences are slanted at a 45 degree angle up and out toward the deer. The deer don't do running broad jumps, just simple up and overs unless the are frightened. The lateral distance of the slant fences stops them cold. I personally don't want a slant fence because I don't want to have to take care of the area under such a fence. Typically they use something like roundup or stronger. White-tail deer will try to go under first. Jumping is their last resort. They are much better jumpers than they realize, fortunately. Most deer fences are black because deer won't jump a fence unless they can see the top. With the black fence it is much harder to see the top, especially at night when they do the most damage. steve --- In firstname.lastname@example.org <mailto:azaleas%40yahoogroups.com>, George Klump <mixturev@...> wrote:
3 April 2010 I didn't really want to get into this discussion about deer fences. However, experience here has given at least one possible solution and the forestry boys evidently back it up. Deer need some take-off room to jump any fence. Many people here are losing azaleas, roses and anything deer love to eat, since we're all close to the mountains where the deer roam freely. The only real solution which for most people is not really practical is to build two fences within, say, 8 feet of each other, e.g. concentric style. If the distance between the two fences is 8 feet or less and the fences are equally high, the deer will not jump them. Why? Because according to some of the forestry boys who have apparently done this, the deer
jump over two fences spread apart like this. They will land in between the two fences which traps them, since they cannot jump over two fences spread out in this manner and they do not have enough take-off room to make it over the second fence, if they did jump the first one. Being trapped between two fences with no way out panics the be-junior out of deer, since their basic theme song is the old popular classic "Don't Fence Me In". I suspect this works with any fence, chain-link, wood, log, etc. It is in any event humane, so the government can do nothing about it. Anyway, it was an idea which I got from the forestry boys. George Klump Southern California Chapter, ARS/ASA On 4/3/2010 12:23 PM, sjperk5 wrote:
Steve I would be willing to fight the deer but I would not be willing to go to the effort of fighting our multiple levels of nanny state government to do so. Being an Indiana farmboy at heart my position is animals that destroy your property have to be taken care of no questions asked. You put up fences to keep your animals in not to keep other
John Perkins Salem, NH --- In email@example.com <mailto:azaleas%40yahoogroups.com>
"sjperk5" <sjperk5@> wrote:
Steve Put in simple terms if we had deer we would stop gardening and work
at removing their food supply.
Then I would see a lawyer and start a class action suit against
John Perkins Salem,NH --- In firstname.lastname@example.org
"Steve Henning" <rhodyman@> wrote:
Hi John, It is not only woody plants, it is annuals, perennials, and grass
also. Deer only have biting teeth on their lower jaw, so they don't bite, they rip plants apart. I don't think anyone would want to take the effort to dig up our leafless twigs.
The fence man came out yesterday to give me an estimate. He uses
an 8-foot hi-tensile black wire mesh fencing stretched between wood posts that are 24' apart except adjacent to corners and gates where they are typically 12' apart. We don't want the fence in front of our house, so we will run the fence from the sides of the house and then out around our 1.5 acre landscaped area. The 70' front of our house will be exposed. If necessary we can use netting or sprays there.
Along the short side in front we will use a split rail facade and
on the long side paint the wood posts black.
A neighbor has this type of fence around a 2 acre organic produce
Some people here are putting deer fencing around small plots to
see what native plants have disappeared from the landscape.
many native plants that are no longer seen in the wild do come back. There must be seeds still coming from areas that the deer don't take the effort to get to.
Hopefully, in 2 weeks we will be able to sit back and enjoy our
rhododendrons as they try to grow back a leaf or 2. Who knows, we may even get a truss or two.
In college we had a freezer locker and kept it full of
lived on venison. I don't relish going back to those days. The best venison tastes just like beef. The worst doesn't. Brush fed venison doesn't. That is why they have books of recipes on how to kill the
Steve in Southeastern PA --- In email@example.com
"sjperk5" <sjperk5@> wrote:
My plan for deer control in the event we ever have this problem
is pretty simple. The spring after the damage I will put out a call saying that every woody plant in the yard is available free to
wishes to dig them.
My yard is simply not shaped right to justify fencing it. Take a way the food and there will be no deer. John Perkins Salem, NH
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