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14115Re: [AZ] Deer Fence

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  • Barry Sperling
    Apr 4, 2010
      My county (Fairfax, VA) limits fence heights to 6 ft. Could 2 6' fences,
      say 3' or 4' apart, be effective?
      Barry

      Whipple, Andy wrote:
      >
      > This is an intriguing discussion as it suggests there may actually be
      > a fairly simple way to deter deer from eating all our precious plants.
      > Can anyone provide some actual experience beyond the previous emails?
      > That is, how low can two fences be (and how far apart) to be
      > effective? Does the outward slant reduce the necessary height? I'm
      > seeking (as we all are!) the greatest effect for the least expenditure
      > of time and money. My situation is out in the woods, with no grass to
      > tend to, so the slant idea may be just fine if it's effective.
      >
      > Who has some actual experience beyond what Steve and George have reported?
      >
      > Thanks to all.
      >
      > Andy Whipple
      >
      > in Indiana but may be in the mountains in a bit.
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: azaleas@yahoogroups.com <mailto:azaleas%40yahoogroups.com> on
      > behalf of Steve Henning
      > Sent: Sat 4/3/2010 10:50 PM
      > To: azaleas@yahoogroups.com <mailto:azaleas%40yahoogroups.com>
      > Subject: Re: [AZ] Deer Fence
      >
      > We use a similar concept in the East with our white-tail deer, except
      > the fences are closer together and the reason is not that they can't
      > but that they won't. I have seem them jump a 6' fence effortlessly
      > just standing next to the fence. They don't run, they just spring over
      > like a standing high jump. But if they don't see a clear place to
      > land, they won't try the jump. The most effective fences are slanted
      > at a 45 degree angle up and out toward the deer. The deer don't do
      > running broad jumps, just simple up and overs unless the are
      > frightened. The lateral distance of the slant fences stops them cold.
      >
      > I personally don't want a slant fence because I don't want to have to
      > take care of the area under such a fence. Typically they use something
      > like roundup or stronger.
      >
      > White-tail deer will try to go under first. Jumping is their last
      > resort. They are much better jumpers than they realize, fortunately.
      > Most deer fences are black because deer won't jump a fence unless they
      > can see the top. With the black fence it is much harder to see the
      > top, especially at night when they do the most damage.
      >
      > steve
      >
      > --- In azaleas@yahoogroups.com <mailto:azaleas%40yahoogroups.com>,
      > George Klump <mixturev@...> wrote:
      > >
      > > 3 April 2010
      > >
      > > I didn't really want to get into this discussion about deer fences.
      > > However, experience here has given at least one possible solution and
      > > the forestry boys evidently back it up.
      > >
      > > Deer need some take-off room to jump any fence. Many people here are
      > > losing azaleas, roses and anything deer love to eat, since we're all
      > > close to the mountains where the deer roam freely. The only real
      > > solution which for most people is not really practical is to build two
      > > fences within, say, 8 feet of each other, e.g. concentric style. If the
      > > distance between the two fences is 8 feet or less and the fences are
      > > equally high, the deer will not jump them. Why? Because according to
      > > some of the forestry boys who have apparently done this, the deer
      > cannot
      > > jump over two fences spread apart like this. They will land in between
      > > the two fences which traps them, since they cannot jump over two fences
      > > spread out in this manner and they do not have enough take-off room to
      > > make it over the second fence, if they did jump the first one. Being
      > > trapped between two fences with no way out panics the be-junior out of
      > > deer, since their basic theme song is the old popular classic "Don't
      > > Fence Me In". I suspect this works with any fence, chain-link, wood,
      > > log, etc. It is in any event humane, so the government can do nothing
      > > about it. Anyway, it was an idea which I got from the forestry boys.
      > >
      > > George Klump
      > > Southern California Chapter, ARS/ASA
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > On 4/3/2010 12:23 PM, sjperk5 wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Steve
      > > >
      > > > I would be willing to fight the deer but I would not be willing to go
      > > > to the effort of fighting our multiple levels of nanny state
      > > > government to do so.
      > > >
      > > > Being an Indiana farmboy at heart my position is animals that destroy
      > > > your property have to be taken care of no questions asked.
      > > >
      > > > You put up fences to keep your animals in not to keep other
      > animals out.
      > > >
      > > > John Perkins
      > > > Salem, NH
      > > >
      > > > --- In azaleas@yahoogroups.com <mailto:azaleas%40yahoogroups.com>
      > <mailto:azaleas%40yahoogroups.com>,
      > > > "sjperk5" <sjperk5@> wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > Steve
      > > > >
      > > > > Put in simple terms if we had deer we would stop gardening and work
      > > > at removing their food supply.
      > > > >
      > > > > Then I would see a lawyer and start a class action suit against
      > Disney.
      > > > >
      > > > > John Perkins
      > > > > Salem,NH
      > > > >
      > > > > --- In azaleas@yahoogroups.com
      > <mailto:azaleas%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:azaleas%40yahoogroups.com>,
      > > > "Steve Henning" <rhodyman@> wrote:
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Hi John,
      > > > > >
      > > > > > It is not only woody plants, it is annuals, perennials, and grass
      > > > also. Deer only have biting teeth on their lower jaw, so they don't
      > > > bite, they rip plants apart. I don't think anyone would want to take
      > > > the effort to dig up our leafless twigs.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > The fence man came out yesterday to give me an estimate. He uses
      > > > an 8-foot hi-tensile black wire mesh fencing stretched between wood
      > > > posts that are 24' apart except adjacent to corners and gates where
      > > > they are typically 12' apart. We don't want the fence in front of our
      > > > house, so we will run the fence from the sides of the house and then
      > > > out around our 1.5 acre landscaped area. The 70' front of our house
      > > > will be exposed. If necessary we can use netting or sprays there.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Along the short side in front we will use a split rail facade and
      > > > on the long side paint the wood posts black.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > A neighbor has this type of fence around a 2 acre organic produce
      > > > farm.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Some people here are putting deer fencing around small plots to
      > > > see what native plants have disappeared from the landscape.
      > Amazingly,
      > > > many native plants that are no longer seen in the wild do come back.
      > > > There must be seeds still coming from areas that the deer don't take
      > > > the effort to get to.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Hopefully, in 2 weeks we will be able to sit back and enjoy our
      > > > rhododendrons as they try to grow back a leaf or 2. Who knows, we may
      > > > even get a truss or two.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > In college we had a freezer locker and kept it full of
      > venison. We
      > > > lived on venison. I don't relish going back to those days. The best
      > > > venison tastes just like beef. The worst doesn't. Brush fed venison
      > > > doesn't. That is why they have books of recipes on how to kill the
      > taste.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Steve in Southeastern PA
      > > > > >
      > > > > > --- In azaleas@yahoogroups.com
      > <mailto:azaleas%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:azaleas%40yahoogroups.com>,
      > > > "sjperk5" <sjperk5@> wrote:
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > My plan for deer control in the event we ever have this problem
      > > > is pretty simple. The spring after the damage I will put out a call
      > > > saying that every woody plant in the yard is available free to
      > whoever
      > > > wishes to dig them.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > My yard is simply not shaped right to justify fencing it.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Take a way the food and there will be no deer.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > John Perkins
      > > > > > > Salem, NH
      > > > > >
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      > > >
      > > >
      > >
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